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[Dovahzaan]

Finwik wrote...

They're not reading this, the only way to speak to them is to cancel preorders.

They do read this, but you are right. The best way is not to buy the game.

[Wardka]

Emoking wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...


You know that Minecraft is not on Steam for same reason why EA games released since Dragon Age 2 are not on Steam?

It's harder to diasgree with Notch. He's not some corporate entitity, trying force a downloadable store/client on us. He just doesn't want Minecraft on Steam, since it goes against how he envisions minecraft.net. That's not the same as saying "Oh, well, we would put ME3 on Steam, but that awful Gabe Newell would stop us from making tons of money being the exclusive outlet for our DLC, so we're not going to let him sell it."

Indeed. Notch LIKES Steam, he just doesn't think it's right for Minecraft. And judging by the sales, he's probably right.

[Dragoonlordz]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

-snip-

That is why I post in here.

And people wondered why I took the cram-on of multiplayer to be such a bad thing. 

This is where we probably can agree in that I think tacking on MP was bad idea (personally) but for different reasons.

[CroGamer002]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

You know that Minecraft is not on Steam for same reason why EA games released since Dragon Age 2 are not on Steam?

Who says others don't like it?


They probably are, but either not really concerned with PC market or preparing the same thing like EA with Origin before going public with this issue.

Mojang isn't selling Minecraft anywhere BUT their own service.  EA is selling their game and DLC everywhere BUT Steam.  It's not even close to being the same situation.

Read Notch's blog about it.


Steam, as a developer not consumer, is too restrictive for him.

[Dragoonlordz]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

You should mention your Origin account name once, wait for someone to take up the offer and mention it in a flame post on the EA forums. 

I guarantee, it get hilarious.

My Origin account name is the same as my BSN name.

[Pixieking]

Mesina2 wrote...

El Neebre wrote...

The only reason Dragon Age II was removed from the Steam store is because it's one of EA's AAA titles, and they thought making it exclusive to Origin would increase interest in Origin.

Stupid companies, EA don't care about us - the consumers.

Dragon Age Origins, Mass Effect 1 and 2 and every single EA released before Dragon Age 2 can be bought on Steam.

Do you know why?


Because developers of those games stopped making DLC's for those games.

And do to Steam's new policies, they pulled Dragon Age 2 and every EA game released after was pulled from Steam.

Um, no?

store.steampowered.com/app/102810/

store.steampowered.com/app/102822/

store.steampowered.com/app/19680/

All 3 games released after Dragon Age 2 was pulled from Steam

EA have no problem taking Steam users' money, nor with Steam taking a cut.

EA have a problem with giving up their monopoly to sell DLC exclusively.

Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:53 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

This is where we probably can agree in that I think tacking on MP was bad idea (personally) but for different reasons.

Unless the addition of MP negatively impact my SP experience, it doesn't really bother me. Just like any other game, I just won't play it. So far, from what we've seen, everything looks okay. But I guess I am going to have to play the game to know for sure.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Mesina2 wrote...

Are you blind or just ignore my evidence against your outdated complaints do to your irrational hate for EA?

The problems with Origin are not outdated.  The fact that Origin is, in some current tests, only scanning the program folders directely related to the product, means NOTHING.  

Older tests showed that Origin was scanning all over the hard drives of the customers.  Older tests showed that the Origin installer began scanning before the customer had even agreed to the terms.  EA reserves the "right" to change Origin's behavior in any way and at any time. 

The actions of companies such as Facebook are a good illustration of where this is going.  EA will keep trying to do what they tried to do originally, before they were caught and forced to make temporary changes.

[Dragoonlordz]

Maias227 wrote...

I have both steam and origin, steam has a larger selection but thats about the only major difference I noticed between the two. Also I am glad to see steam get some health competition which means consumers will end with a better product.

Also really looking forward to play the epic end of the Mass Effect saga!

Ditto, I have very little interest in the MP aspect but as we both will be getting copies maybe I will see you on there some point.

[Savber100]

So what happens if I download Origin on a gaming computer that has no essential information etc...?

Just wondering... since I recently had to reformat my new gaming computer.

If Origin is a spyware why can't I just install it on a nearly-empty computer unless they access my networks... O_o

[Thoth_Amon]

Emoking wrote...

EA have a problem with giving up their monopoly to sell DLC exclusively.

But, they don't even do that.  They are 100% full of ****.


http://www.direct2dr...arkand-Download

[abaris]

Mesina2 wrote...


Steam, as a developer not consumer, is too restrictive for him.

Maybe so and I'm not singing the steam praise.

But the real reason behind Origin is a business decision. Promoting their own client with the last instalment of a trilogy in the hope that there's enough of a customer base to want to see it through no matter what.

That's totally understandable and logical from a business point of view. Everything else is just the usual PR sugarcoating and love, peace and happiness. Or the opposite of that, since it's a perfect opportunity to make the competitor look bad.

As I said, I'm using neither steam nor Origin. I don't use any client. period.

[Ryzaki]

Savber100 wrote...

So what happens if I download Origin on a gaming computer that has no essential information etc...?

Just wondering... since I recently had to reformat my new gaming computer.

If Origin is a spyware why can't I just install it on a nearly-empty computer unless they access my networks... O_o

It's not spyware ATM. (Not saying it'll turn into one either before anyone jumps down my throat) you should be fine for the moment.

And you should be able to install it on any computer. Similar to Steam.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2012 - 06:58 .

[igneous.sponge]

I keep seeing people refer to Origin as some sort of DRM mechanism... but will the client actually serve that purpose? Chris's post refers to a one-time initial authorisation for the single-player campaign. Will this be accomplished through the Origin client or through the game, itself?

And just how tightly enmeshed, feature-wise, will ME3 and the Origin client be? I remember a while back that an expected launch roadmap for Origin was released, and this roadmap mentioned things like auto-patching and achievements being integrated into the client (you can take a look here). Will ME3 use the Origin client for achievements and such things?

If so, that might explain why BioWare had to hold back this announcement for so long (when for BF3 the Origin requirement was announced far in advance). The devs may have been waiting on the EA guys to see whether Origin would be up to snuff and the achievement (etc.) integration would be viable for the game's release. Otherwise they would've had to go with some sort of in-game solution. (This is merely ill-educated speculation, of course.)

Regardless, it looks to me like one of the major reasons Origin is being forcibly enmeshed with the game is to get more clients on people's machines, giving the storefront exposure to potential customers and giving EA's marketers some install base numbers to brag about to investors/shareholders. Which, frankly, I find extremely offensive and an insulting expedient for corroding our rights and experience as paying customers. I believe the best way for EA to succeed with Origin is through improvement of the platform they're offering, incentivisation, and honest, respectful interaction with their target market.

Incognito JC wrote...

Somebody should start a "Make Origin Optional" movement. MOO movement. MOOvement. Quite catchy.

I would definitely join such a movement. I 'moo' a lot as part of my everyday speech, so it would be second nature for me.

[izmirtheastarach]

Savber100 wrote...

So what happens if I download Origin on a gaming computer that has no essential information etc...?

Just wondering... since I recently had to reformat my new gaming computer.

If Origin is a spyware why can't I just install it on a nearly-empty computer unless they access my networks... O_o

This is part of why it doesn't bother me even if it is. But I understand not everyone has dedicated gaming machines.

[Dovahzaan]

Savber100 wrote...

If Origin is a spyware why can't I just install it on a nearly-empty computer unless they access my networks... O_o

You can. But there are not many people with a nearly-empty computer.

[Calibrationmaster]

why is origin so evil? can someone explain me?

[Wildhide]

My concern is less with it not being on steam and more with being forced to use Origin. I don't like, want, or desire to use Origin. I have a very low opinion of EA as a company and have little desire to support or use most of their products.

I make exception for Bioware games because I've been a fan and really enjoyed your games for a long time, but that doesn't mean I'm pleased with them using that loyalty to force me into using their less desirable software.

[Killjoy Cutter]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

****, people are so obsessed now they dont see it doesnt spy anymore, also ihere is an alternative https://profile.ea.com/ disable data collection or remove account.

No settings there appear to show anything about data collection, other than not sharing it with third parties. 

[Savber100]

Ryzaki wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

So what happens if I download Origin on a gaming computer that has no essential information etc...?

Just wondering... since I recently had to reformat my new gaming computer.

If Origin is a spyware why can't I just install it on a nearly-empty computer unless they access my networks... O_o

It's not spyware ATM. (Not saying it'll turn into one either before anyone jumps down my throat) you should be fine for the moment.

Ooooh so I'm good to go? 

Lets see EA try to glean anything from me with an near-empty hard drive! 

Edit: That said, I would still NOT support EA or Origins. ME3 might just end up being my last EA purchase.  If anything, I've refused to even play BF3 because of this. <_<

You force me to get Origins, you can kiss my money goodbye. 

Modifié par Savber100, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:01 .

[casadechrisso]

Calibrationmaster wrote...

why is origin so evil? can someone explain me?

Yes, this thread can. Start reading it. <_<

[KT Chong]

I do not have much experience with Origin. However, from what I have read from across the forums, Origin is infamous for having (a) extremely intrusive and legally-questionable EULA and data-mining, and ( the most ridiculously overpriced products.

EA also has a poor record of digital delivery. I have read a lot of complaints in which EA sold some games online to people in the past, and then removed the games a year later.  So people basically got screwed out of the games they had already paid for.  But EA aleady got their money, so what could they do?  

Modifié par KT Chong, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:02 .

[Pixieking]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

Emoking wrote...

EA have a problem with giving up their monopoly to sell DLC exclusively.

But, they don't even do that.  They are 100% full of ****.


http://www.direct2dr...arkand-Download

I'll rephrase

They have a problem with giving up their monopoly to sell Mass Effect and Dragon Age DLC exclusively.

Unless, of course, you've found someplace else that sells it?

Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:00 .

[Mister Mida]

igneous.sponge wrote...

I keep seeing people refer to Origin as some sort of DRM mechanism... but will the client actually serve that purpose? Chris's post refers to a one-time initial authorisation for the single-player campaign. Will this be accomplished through the Origin client or through the game, itself?

Priestley says Origin is required.  Sounds like DRM to me.

[ArkkAngel007]

Dovahzaan wrote...

Finwik wrote...

They're not reading this, the only way to speak to them is to cancel preorders.

They do read this, but you are right. The best way is not to buy the game.

Not necessarily.  We here are a very small percentage to the overall player base.  Not to mention it will take more than just ME3 sales to suffer for things to change.  And as I'm sure EA ensures they get a specific monetary amount per game instead of a mere percentage of total sales (it varies between publishers on how it's handled), this would hurt BioWare much more than EA, who [BioWare] are not in the wrong.