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[Hamziz Vakarian]

LOL, I love that they sticky-ed "marketing crap casey hudson says", but not the announcement that their pc game requires you give them free marketing data.

Stay classy, BioWhEAre

Modifié par Hamziz Vakarian, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:00 .

[Dovahzaan]

igneous.sponge wrote...


I would definitely join such a movement. I 'moo' a lot as part of my everyday speech, so it would be second nature for me.

http://social.bioware.com/group/6871/

Join our little family:D

[igneous.sponge]

Zannana wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Church-hill wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

anzolino wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
All I want is for Origin to be entirely optional.

+1

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+5

+6

Gotta keep the pyramid movin'.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Ryzaki wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

So what happens if I download Origin on a gaming computer that has no essential information etc...?

Just wondering... since I recently had to reformat my new gaming computer.

If Origin is a spyware why can't I just install it on a nearly-empty computer unless they access my networks... O_o

It's not spyware ATM. (Not saying it'll turn into one either before anyone jumps down my throat) you should be fine for the moment.

And you should be able to install it on any computer. Similar to Steam.

It's more accurate to say that it's spyware that is currently only mining and reporting a narrow area of the computer, and that EA "promises" to not change to spy on more things later, after you've given them your money for a game or two. 

[Calibrationmaster]

casadechrisso wrote...

Calibrationmaster wrote...

why is origin so evil? can someone explain me?

Yes, this thread can. Start reading it. <_<

read 500 posts ? wtf

[KenKenpachi]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Below are answers to the most commonly asked questions
5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection? 
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware.  Is this true?
Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s machines.  In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin folder.   This is an ordinary Windows function, not an information-gathering process. 

Silly Chris, its cool to hate EA, I wonder if all the folks screaming spyware even have botherd to read this?  Really should like program a giant like banner that says

ORIGINS IS SPYWARE!!!! READ HERE TO SEE THE TRUTH!!! 

Then link to the speficiations clearly stating its not.

Funny how many people don't trust EA, but do Valve who is known for never being a dick @_@

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:02 .

[igneous.sponge]

Dovahzaan wrote...

Join our little family:D

Already did.

[ArkkAngel007]

Mister Mida wrote...

igneous.sponge wrote...

I keep seeing people refer to Origin as some sort of DRM mechanism... but will the client actually serve that purpose? Chris's post refers to a one-time initial authorisation for the single-player campaign. Will this be accomplished through the Origin client or through the game, itself?

Priestley says Origin is required.  Sounds like DRM to me.

It is DRM.  Best example would be the Steam required for Skyrim debacle.  You can play Skyrim offline, but it is still tied solely to your Steam account and requires Steam in that capacity.

[Ryzaki]

Savber100 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

So what happens if I download Origin on a gaming computer that has no essential information etc...?

Just wondering... since I recently had to reformat my new gaming computer.

If Origin is a spyware why can't I just install it on a nearly-empty computer unless they access my networks... O_o

It's not spyware ATM. (Not saying it'll turn into one either before anyone jumps down my throat) you should be fine for the moment.

Ooooh so I'm good to go? 

Lets see EA try to glean anything from me with an near-empty hard drive! 

I'm gonna go with this solution eventually myself.

Steam, GFWL, now this. I'm done. Let's see how useful they find my filled with nothing but games and only connected to the internet once in a blue moon computer for selling info.

[Sundance31us]

Pupuppu wrote...
I bought these games in the EA store many years before they rolled out their Origin EULA that didn't include waiving all my rights. So I chose not to accept their new EULA and you tell me I can't access my games anymore? Well, you are right as this is exactly what their support told me. Accept the new EULA or no access to you purchases.

I wasn't trying to be mean; I just wanted to make sure eveyone understood that EA is already collecting data from us via our games.

According to the EULAs as long as you stay off-line and don't do any updates the game can't upload information to EA, but it'll still collect and hold that information. For ME2 this means no Cerberus Network.

The EULA quoted below is older and is included to show that certain clauses haven't changed that much; this is the "Mass Effect" found on http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

ELECTRONIC ARTS SOFTWARE END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
Date: December 12, 2007

By installing or using the Software, you consent to be bound by this License. If you do not agree to the terms of this License, then do not install or use the Software. Section 3 below describes the data EA may use to provide services and support to you in connection with the Software. If you do not agree to this use of data, do not install or use the Software. IF YOU INSTALL the Software, the terms and conditions of this License are fully accepted by you.

...

3. Consent to Use of Data. To facilitate the provision of software updates, any
dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online play, you agree that EA and its affiliates may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including an Internet Protocol Address), operating system and application software and peripheral hardware. EA and its affiliates may also use this information in the aggregate, in a form which does not personally identify you, to improve our products and services and we may share anonymous aggregate data with our
third party service providers.

4. Consent to Public Display of Data. If you participate in online services, such as multiplayer games, EA and its affiliates may also collect, use, store, transmit and publicly display statistical data regarding game play (including scores, rankings and achievements), or identify content that is created and shared by you with other players. Data that personally identifies you is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA’s Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com.

...

15. Entire Agreement. This License constitutes the entire agreement between you and EA with respect to the Software and supersedes all prior or contemporaneous understandings regarding such subject matter. No amendment to or modification of this License will be binding unless made in writing and signed by EA. No failure to exercise, and no delay in exercising, on the part of
either party, any right or any power hereunder shall operate as a waiver thereof, nor shall any single or partial exercise of any right or power hereunder preclude further exercise of any other right hereunder. In the event of a conflict between this License and any applicable purchase or other terms, the terms of this License shall govern.

[Mister Mida]

igneous.sponge wrote...

+6

Gotta keep the pyramid movin'.

Be mindful of pyramids. One of the mods said they won't be appreciated.

[Dragoonlordz]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

This is where we probably can agree in that I think tacking on MP was bad idea (personally) but for different reasons.

Unless the addition of MP negatively impact my SP experience, it doesn't really bother me. Just like any other game, I just won't play it. So far, from what we've seen, everything looks okay. But I guess I am going to have to play the game to know for sure.

I know I just wish they had that other team working on expanding the single player campaign personally. Thats my only issue with it. I know the main story might not have changed since was all decided but it is the same principle as DLC extra content that is created after main story the same could of applied. I don't hate them for adding MP though I just had preference for more SP content with time spend on MP.

[Killjoy Cutter]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Below are answers to the most commonly asked questions
5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection? 
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware.  Is this true?
Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s machines.  In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin folder.   This is an ordinary Windows function, not an information-gathering process. 

Silly Chris, its cool to hate EA, I wonder if all the folks screaming spyware even have botherd to read this?  Really should like program a giant like banner that says

ORIGINS IS SPYWARE!!!! READ HERE TO SEE THE TRUTH!!! 

Then link to the speficiations clearly stating its not.

So EA says that Origin isn't spyware, and you just believe them?  LoL.

[CroGamer002]

Emoking wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

El Neebre wrote...

The only reason Dragon Age II was removed from the Steam store is because it's one of EA's AAA titles, and they thought making it exclusive to Origin would increase interest in Origin.

Stupid companies, EA don't care about us - the consumers.

Dragon Age Origins, Mass Effect 1 and 2 and every single EA released before Dragon Age 2 can be bought on Steam.

Do you know why?


Because developers of those games stopped making DLC's for those games.

And do to Steam's new policies, they pulled Dragon Age 2 and every EA game released after was pulled from Steam.

Um, no?

store.steampowered.com/app/102810/

store.steampowered.com/app/102822/

store.steampowered.com/app/19680/

All 3 games released after Dragon Age 2 was pulled from Steam

EA have no problem taking Steam users' money, nor with Steam taking a cut.

EA have a problem with giving up their monopoly to sell DLC exclusively.

I forgot to say games with DLC's, so I apologize.

And DLC monoply?


Those are their DLC's!
They have every right to do whatever the hell they want with them.

And if you are bothered with it, then why Valve's monopoly with Steam is OK?

[Hamziz Vakarian]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

So what happens if I download Origin on a gaming computer that has no essential information etc...?

Just wondering... since I recently had to reformat my new gaming computer.

If Origin is a spyware why can't I just install it on a nearly-empty computer unless they access my networks... O_o

It's not spyware ATM. (Not saying it'll turn into one either before anyone jumps down my throat) you should be fine for the moment.

And you should be able to install it on any computer. Similar to Steam.

It's more accurate to say that it's spyware that is currently only mining and reporting a narrow area of the computer, and that EA "promises" to not change to spy on more things later, after you've given them your money for a game or two. 

It's still giving them free market data that any other company has to ask for/pay for, and rightfully so.  It's an intrusion of my privacy, and what games I play, whether EA makes them or not, IS NONE OF THEIR DAMN BUSINESS unless I elect to offer that information.  It is a commodity, and being forced to give it away freely is a very bad precedent.

[Unit-Alpha]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Below are answers to the most commonly asked questions
5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection? 
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware.  Is this true?
Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s machines.  In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin folder.   This is an ordinary Windows function, not an information-gathering process. 

Silly Chris, its cool to hate EA, I wonder if all the folks screaming spyware even have botherd to read this?  Really should like program a giant like banner that says

ORIGINS IS SPYWARE!!!! READ HERE TO SEE THE TRUTH!!! 

Then link to the speficiations clearly stating its not.

And this is why PR guys *love* people like you. You need to take anything a PR guy says with enough salt to sink an aircraft carrier.

[Pupuppu]

Mesina2 wrote...

Read Notch's blog about it.

Steam, as a developer not consumer, is too restrictive for him.

The best part is this:

"Also, Steam is awesome. Much more awesome than certain
other digital distribution platforms that we would NOT want to release
Minecraft on."

Wondering what he is refering to?

[Mister Mida]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

igneous.sponge wrote...

I keep seeing people refer to Origin as some sort of DRM mechanism... but will the client actually serve that purpose? Chris's post refers to a one-time initial authorisation for the single-player campaign. Will this be accomplished through the Origin client or through the game, itself?

Priestley says Origin is required.  Sounds like DRM to me.

It is DRM.  Best example would be the Steam required for Skyrim debacle.  You can play Skyrim offline, but it is still tied solely to your Steam account and requires Steam in that capacity.

Indeed.

*raises fist in anger*

Damn you, Bethesda!

[casadechrisso]

Calibrationmaster wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

Calibrationmaster wrote...

why is origin so evil? can someone explain me?

Yes, this thread can. Start reading it. <_<

read 500 posts ? wtf

Read the first 3 pages then or whatever.... it's getting tiresome writing the same thing on every third page, sorry. 

[Chavez_Dice]

Calibrationmaster wrote...

why is origin so evil? can someone explain me?

• Origin used to be mining data off computers. It doesn't do that right now, but the EULA was recently edited and does not rule out that this function might return as an update.
• When you are banned on the EA forums, your Origin account will be purged, meaning you lose all the games you bought with Origin. Note: other people can mention your name in a flame post, that will also get you banned.
• Origin lacks features that Steam has and uses more resources. Even though healthy competition is alright for Steam, Origin is nowhere near as useful as Steam because;
• Origin is merely a DRM client.
• Origin isn't an alternative to Steam, but a fork. This because EA games chains gamers to Origin if they would like to play Mass Effect 3.
• Read the rest of the thread.

Modifié par Chavez_Dice, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:06 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Mesina2 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

El Neebre wrote...

The only reason Dragon Age II was removed from the Steam store is because it's one of EA's AAA titles, and they thought making it exclusive to Origin would increase interest in Origin.

Stupid companies, EA don't care about us - the consumers.

Dragon Age Origins, Mass Effect 1 and 2 and every single EA released before Dragon Age 2 can be bought on Steam.

Do you know why?


Because developers of those games stopped making DLC's for those games.

And do to Steam's new policies, they pulled Dragon Age 2 and every EA game released after was pulled from Steam.

Um, no?

store.steampowered.com/app/102810/

store.steampowered.com/app/102822/

store.steampowered.com/app/19680/

All 3 games released after Dragon Age 2 was pulled from Steam

EA have no problem taking Steam users' money, nor with Steam taking a cut.

EA have a problem with giving up their monopoly to sell DLC exclusively.

I forgot to say games with DLC's, so I apologize.

And DLC monoply?


Those are their DLC's!
They have every right to do whatever the hell they want with them.

And if you are bothered with it, then why Valve's monopoly with Steam is OK?

I don't think you know what a monopoly means....

Direct2Drive
Amazon.com
GetGames
GoG
Impulse
Desura
GamersGate
Origin

[CroGamer002]

Calibrationmaster wrote...

why is origin so evil? can someone explain me?

Same reason why Germany is.

Because they did something evil in past.



Yes, I went there.

[Savber100]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

So what happens if I download Origin on a gaming computer that has no essential information etc...?

Just wondering... since I recently had to reformat my new gaming computer.

If Origin is a spyware why can't I just install it on a nearly-empty computer unless they access my networks... O_o

It's not spyware ATM. (Not saying it'll turn into one either before anyone jumps down my throat) you should be fine for the moment.

And you should be able to install it on any computer. Similar to Steam.

It's more accurate to say that it's spyware that is currently only mining and reporting a narrow area of the computer, and that EA "promises" to not change to spy on more things later, after you've given them your money for a game or two. 

Wait wait wait...

So Origns is NOT spyware just yet? Mainly because your definition sounds just like Steam's definition of extracting data.

So are we all complaining about the "possibility"? 

Why not set up a watchdog to keep an eye on Origins since I think we're a bit jumping into the realm of assumptions.

After all, EA is not a full-retard in making cash. They recognize that they're being watched and any false moves will lead to massive loss in money. 

[izmirtheastarach]

Dragoonlordz wrote...


I know I just wish they had that other team working on expanding the single player campaign personally. Thats my only issue with it. I know the main story might not have changed since was all decided but it is the same principle as DLC extra content that is created after main story the same could of applied. I don't hate them for adding MP though I just had preference for more SP content with time spend on MP.

In that case I agree with your position 110%. And you are right, they are probably going to release some sort of MP DLC which will waste resources as well. Too bad.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:06 .

[Ryzaki]

Pupuppu wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Read Notch's blog about it.

Steam, as a developer not consumer, is too restrictive for him.

The best part is this:

"Also, Steam is awesome. Much more awesome than certain
other digital distribution platforms that we would NOT want to release
Minecraft on."

Wondering what he is refering to?

I wonder too!