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[CroGamer002]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

I don't think you know what a monopoly means....

Direct2Drive
Amazon.com
GetGames
GoG
Impulse
Desura
GamersGate
Origin

Oh I know what monopoly is.


I'm just making fun of other people claim that EA is doing the "monopoly" with their own stuff, while Valve is OK with their "monopoly" with theirs AND others people stuff.

[Chavez_Dice]

Savber100 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

So what happens if I download Origin on a gaming computer that has no essential information etc...?

Just wondering... since I recently had to reformat my new gaming computer.

If Origin is a spyware why can't I just install it on a nearly-empty computer unless they access my networks... O_o

It's not spyware ATM. (Not saying it'll turn into one either before anyone jumps down my throat) you should be fine for the moment.

And you should be able to install it on any computer. Similar to Steam.

It's more accurate to say that it's spyware that is currently only mining and reporting a narrow area of the computer, and that EA "promises" to not change to spy on more things later, after you've given them your money for a game or two. 

Wait wait wait...

So Origns is NOT spyware just yet? Mainly because your definition sounds just like Steam's definition of extracting data.

So are we all complaining about the "possibility"? 

Why not set up a watchdog to keep an eye on Origins since I think we're a bit jumping into the realm of assumptions.

After all, EA is not a full-retard in making cash. They recognize that they're being watched and any false moves will lead to massive loss in money. 

They have the best legal team money can buy. You are naive to actually think something like that will be an obstacle in their path.

[Hamziz Vakarian]

Savber100 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

So what happens if I download Origin on a gaming computer that has no essential information etc...?

Just wondering... since I recently had to reformat my new gaming computer.

If Origin is a spyware why can't I just install it on a nearly-empty computer unless they access my networks... O_o

It's not spyware ATM. (Not saying it'll turn into one either before anyone jumps down my throat) you should be fine for the moment.

And you should be able to install it on any computer. Similar to Steam.

It's more accurate to say that it's spyware that is currently only mining and reporting a narrow area of the computer, and that EA "promises" to not change to spy on more things later, after you've given them your money for a game or two. 

Wait wait wait...

So Origns is NOT spyware just yet? Mainly because your definition sounds just like Steam's definition of extracting data.

So are we all complaining about the "possibility"? 

Why not set up a watchdog to keep an eye on Origins since I think we're a bit jumping into the realm of assumptions.

After all, EA is not a full-retard in making cash. They recognize that they're being watched and any false moves will lead to massive loss in money. 

Origin is a datamining program that allows itself to catalogue your system and then call home.  What it reports is not transparent to the end user, so the potential for abuse is always there, and EA has shown themselves to be a very poor judge of what is and isn't ethical.

[Zkyire]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Below are answers to the most commonly asked questions
5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection? 
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware.  Is this true?
Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s machines.  In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin folder.   This is an ordinary Windows function, not an information-gathering process. 

Silly Chris, its cool to hate EA, I wonder if all the folks screaming spyware even have botherd to read this?  Really should like program a giant like banner that says

ORIGINS IS SPYWARE!!!! READ HERE TO SEE THE TRUTH!!! 

Then link to the speficiations clearly stating its not.

Funny how many people don't trust EA, but do Valve who is known for never being a dick @_@

You can opt out from "MASS EFFECT 3" data collection.

Priestly said nothing about opting out of other data collecting (such as the images several others have posted where is showed Origins scanning folders outside of the ME3 directory).

And even then you can only opt out from "inside the game" meaning you would have already installed Origin and would have already made a bloody scan by then.

[CroGamer002]

Pupuppu wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Read Notch's blog about it.

Steam, as a developer not consumer, is too restrictive for him.

The best part is this:

"Also, Steam is awesome. Much more awesome than certain
other digital distribution platforms that we would NOT want to release
Minecraft on."

Wondering what he is refering to?

Considering he said "digital distribution platforms", then:

Direct2Drive
Amazon.com
GetGames
GoG
Impulse
Desura
GamersGate
Origin

[Savber100]

Ryzaki wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

So what happens if I download Origin on a gaming computer that has no essential information etc...?

Just wondering... since I recently had to reformat my new gaming computer.

If Origin is a spyware why can't I just install it on a nearly-empty computer unless they access my networks... O_o

It's not spyware ATM. (Not saying it'll turn into one either before anyone jumps down my throat) you should be fine for the moment.

Ooooh so I'm good to go? 

Lets see EA try to glean anything from me with an near-empty hard drive! 

I'm gonna go with this solution eventually myself.

Steam, GFWL, now this. I'm done. Let's see how useful they find my filled with nothing but games and only connected to the internet once in a blue moon computer for selling info.

Mohahaha. 

What great fortune that I have a new gaming computer.... FREE from all important essentials. 

Have fun scanning your own crap, EA. 

[KT Chong]

Seriously, EULA can say whatever they want. EULA can write that when you install the software, you would have to agree to have your mouth stitched to another person's **** and another person's mouth stitched to your ****. In most cases, those EULAs are not actually enforceable.

In the United States, only the 7th and 8th Circuits accept software as "licensed and not sold." Other Circuits have repeated struck down various EULAs.  In Germany, many EULAs -- including the one in EA Origin -- are void and not legally enforcable.

I have been hoping and waiting that one day the US Supreme Court will finally take up a major case on EULA enforceability. However, for whatever reaason, software companies have been reluctant to bring the matter of EULA enforceability all the way up to the US Supreme Court. Even when they have lost the case in Circuit Courts, they did not continue to pursue the cases up to the highest level -- because they know they will most likely lose.

My point is: do not worry too much about EULA or whatever is in it.  Their enforcability is legally questionable at best, and most likely many terms in EULA are illegal and therefore void and not legally enforceable.

Modifié par KT Chong, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:12 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Mesina2 wrote...

Pupuppu wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Read Notch's blog about it.

Steam, as a developer not consumer, is too restrictive for him.

The best part is this:

"Also, Steam is awesome. Much more awesome than certain
other digital distribution platforms that we would NOT want to release
Minecraft on."

Wondering what he is refering to?

Considering he said "digital distribution platforms", then:

Direct2Drive
Amazon.com
GetGames
GoG
Impulse
Desura
GamersGate
Origin

I'm glad my list could be put to "good" use. And it is Origin; Notch has said stuff against it in the past.

[Hamziz Vakarian]

The bottom line SHOULD BE that information about your computer, its specs, and your use thereof is NONE OF EA'S DAMN BUSINESS. FULL STOP.

If they want extra information, they can ask nicely, just as companies have done for YEARS.

This is them getting valuable market data for FREE.

[Chavez_Dice]

Hamziz Vakarian wrote...

The bottom line SHOULD BE that information about your computer, its specs, and your use thereof is NONE OF EA'S DAMN BUSINESS. FULL STOP.

If they want extra information, they can ask nicely, just as companies have done for YEARS.

This is them getting valuable market data for FREE.

That, and other things.

[Travie]

EA does not to ethics.

[Savber100]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

They have the best legal team money can buy. You are naive to actually think something like that will be an obstacle in their path.

Lets see how they can keep that team when a watchdog in America releases evidence of EA's invading privacy that violates federal law. 


...Just make sure SOPA doesn't get passed. 

[Ryzaki]

Hamziz Vakarian wrote...

The bottom line SHOULD BE that information about your computer, its specs, and your use thereof is NONE OF EA'S DAMN BUSINESS. FULL STOP.

If they want extra information, they can ask nicely, just as companies have done for YEARS.

This is them getting valuable market data for FREE.

This.

You want market data? 

Give me something in return that's not access to a damn game I PAID FOR.

Give me a free game, give me SOMETHING.

That at least makes it easier to swallow.

[ArkkAngel007]

Calibrationmaster wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

Calibrationmaster wrote...

why is origin so evil? can someone explain me?

Yes, this thread can. Start reading it. <_<

read 500 posts ? wtf

It's more interesting than all those calibrations .

Anyways, jokes aside, the past 10 or so pages have some good summaries.  But in short, the EULA used to not specify what data Origin was scanning and reporting back, and previous tests on older iterations showed that Origin was scanning on the level of an anti-virus program would, which is everything.  This scared folks, and that is understandable.  That issue has since been corrected, but there is reason, however small a chance, to believe that EA could allow Origin to have such broad access in the future.

Origin is also notorious for some bugs.  Getting  banned on official EA forums would also ban you from the client, therefore your games.  Also, checking the "remember me" box on sign in had caused a glitch in the database where other users' account information would be in place of yours, therefore allowing someone to sign into someone else's account unintentionally.  Whether these have been corrected or not is unknown to my knowledge.

Finally, the fact that it's another DRM service that ties the game to require another program and an internet connection, and restricts it to only one individual on shared machines, is a huge sore point.  We as consumers are being punished for the actions of others in which the law, for some odd reason, cannot touch.  We want the freedom of console gamers while also enjoying the freedom that a PC has to offer.  For this, we feel Origin should be the option, not the rule, to playing games such as Mass Effect 3.

While yes, there are some who just dislike it because it's outside of Steam, there are some valid issues that need to be addressed.

[Ryzaki]

Savber100 wrote..
Mohahaha. 

What great fortune that I have a new gaming computer.... FREE from all important essentials. 

Have fun scanning your own crap, EA. 

Yup. Getting my new desktop soon and they can send all the info from my comp they want. Nothing's gonna be on there other than how many hours I spent playing X.

[KT Chong]

Yesterday the White House made the public announcement that they would NOT support SOPA -- meaning that Obama would most likely veto SOPA in its current form.

Rupert Murdoch was actually so pissed that he tweeted and personally and directly attacked Obama (instead of using his puppet Fox News to do his dirty work.)

Reuters: Rupert Murdoch turns to Twitter to attack Obama

Modifié par KT Chong, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:17 .

[chris2365]

150 pages in two days. If 75% of these posts were complaints, there would be about 2800 posts complaining about Origin. If EA hasn't gotten the message by now, they never will.

[Melchiah109]

KT Chong wrote...

Yesterday the White House has made the public announcement that they would NOT support SOPA -- meaning that Obama would most likely veto SOPA in its current form.

Rupert Murdoch was actually so pissed that he tweeted and personally and directly attacked Obama (instead of using his puppet Fox News to do his dirty work.)

http://nymag.com/dai...itter-rant.html

What does that have to do with anything?

[Zjarcal]

chris2365 wrote...

150 pages in two days. If 75% of these posts were complaints, there would be about 2800 posts complaining about Origin. If EA hasn't gotten the message by now, they never will.

It's more like, 75% of the thread is the same people going back and forth.

[Dovahzaan]

chris2365 wrote...

150 pages in two days. If 75% of these posts were complaints, there would be about 2800 posts complaining about Origin. If EA hasn't gotten the message by now, they never will.

Pre-order canceled is the only language EA speaks.

[DiscoDarth]

 Well Im not going to cancel my preorder but will not install Origin on my pc."jacksparrow.jpg":bandit::bandit:

[KT Chong]

Melchiah109 wrote...

KT Chong wrote...

Yesterday the White House has made the public announcement that they would NOT support SOPA -- meaning that Obama would most likely veto SOPA in its current form.

Rupert Murdoch was actually so pissed that he tweeted and personally and directly attacked Obama (instead of using his puppet Fox News to do his dirty work.)

http://nymag.com/dai...itter-rant.html

What does that have to do with anything?

Someone mentioned SOPA as it relates to EULA and EA (which supports SOPA) in another ealier post.  I forgot to quote it.

[elitecom]

chris2365 wrote...

150 pages in two days. If 75% of these posts were complaints, there would be about 2800 posts complaining about Origin. If EA hasn't gotten the message by now, they never will.

Well to be optimistic, they've gotten it before. They scrapped the intended DRM for Spore, Mass Effect 1, and Crysis Warhead. Maybe they'll get it again? They do however seem much more stauncher with Origin though.

[Melchiah109]

Dovahzaan wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

150 pages in two days. If 75% of these posts were complaints, there would be about 2800 posts complaining about Origin. If EA hasn't gotten the message by now, they never will.

Pre-order canceled is the only language EA speaks.

It'd probably carry more weight if most of the posts that say that weren't outright lies. I can say it too.

Pre-order cancelled.

But I never pre-ordered in the first place.

[ttchip]

Zjarcal wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

150 pages in two days. If 75% of these posts were complaints, there would be about 2800 posts complaining about Origin. If EA hasn't gotten the message by now, they never will.

It's more like, 75% of the thread is the same people going back and forth.

this. its people running in circles as far as their arguments go.