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[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

KT Chong wrote...

Seriously, EULA can say whatever they want. EULA can write that when you install the software, you would have to agree to have your mouth stitched to another person's **** and another person's mouth stitched to your ****. In most cases, those EULAs are not actually enforceable.

In the United States, only the 7th and 8th Circuits accept software as "licensed and not sold." Other Circuits have repeated struck down various EULAs.  In Germany, many EULAs -- including the one in EA Origin -- are void and not legally enforcable.

I have been hoping and waiting that one day the US Supreme Court will finally take up a major case on EULA enforceability. However, for whatever reaason, software companies have been reluctant to bring the matter of EULA enforceability all the way up to the US Supreme Court. Even when they have lost the case in Circuit Courts, they did not continue to pursue the cases up to the highest level -- because they know they will most likely lose.

My point is: do not worry too much about EULA or whatever is in it.  Their enforcability is legally questionable at best, and most likely many terms in EULA are illegal and therefore void and not legally enforceable.

Someone watches SouthPark lol

[CroGamer002]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

I'm glad my list could be put to "good" use. And it is Origin; Notch has said stuff against it in the past.

Why look for myself when someone already put all?


Besides, he said it in plural form.
It can be other digital distributors as well.


But that's just speculation.

[Savber100]

ttchip wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

150 pages in two days. If 75% of these posts were complaints, there would be about 2800 posts complaining about Origin. If EA hasn't gotten the message by now, they never will.

It's more like, 75% of the thread is the same people going back and forth.

this. its people running in circles as far as their arguments go.

Then lets settle it here and now: 

Is EA's Origins currently spyware right now?

Modifié par Savber100, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:21 .

[Lucifer_Cheney]

KT Chong wrote...

Yesterday the White House made the public announcement that they would NOT support SOPA -- meaning that Obama would most likely veto SOPA in its current form.

Rupert Murdoch was actually so pissed that he tweeted and personally and directly attacked Obama (instead of using his puppet Fox News to do his dirty work.)

Reuters: Rupert Murdoch turns to Twitter to attack Obama

He should get the Post or the WSJ to hack Obama's voicemails. That'll show him!

[Pixieking]

Mesina2 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

I don't think you know what a monopoly means....

Direct2Drive
Amazon.com
GetGames
GoG
Impulse
Desura
GamersGate
Origin

Oh I know what monopoly is.


I'm just making fun of other people claim that EA is doing the "monopoly" with their own stuff, while Valve is OK with their "monopoly" with theirs AND others people stuff.

You can buy Valve games other places... Amazon, play, zavvi, whatever.

You can't buy Mass Effect or Dragon Age DLC anywhere but the BioWare store. This is also why ME3 isn't on Steam, since EA want to continue as the sole point of purchase for DLC.

Valve may force people to use Steam, but EA force people to purchase DLC
from only one place, at one price. No shopping around for the consumer
looking for the best price.

Viewing monopolies and evil on a gradient, EA is worse than Valve. And neither are perfect.

Also, interestingly, you do get Steamworks games on Origin. Saints Row The Third.

As a final point, DLC for Steamworks games, like Shogun 2 and Deus EX:HR is available from many places.

Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:22 .

[Candidate 88766]

chris2365 wrote...

150 pages in two days. If 75% of these posts were complaints, there would be about 2800 posts complaining about Origin. If EA hasn't gotten the message by now, they never will.

Even if eveyr complaint was by a different person, 2800 is insignificant to a company that seels games in the millions. BF3 has millions of users alone, so we're talking less than 0.1% of EA's consumer base.

[KT Chong]

A front-end client and DRM are fine. Plenty of people use Steam (which is a form of DRM) and have no problem with it. I think it's the EULA and data-mining nature of EA Origin - the "we can scan through your computer, monitor your computer activity, and use all the data we collect from your computer however we want; when you install, you agree" clause - that has given it a very bad rep.

Modifié par KT Chong, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:25 .

[Ryzaki]

Savber100 wrote...

ttchip wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

150 pages in two days. If 75% of these posts were complaints, there would be about 2800 posts complaining about Origin. If EA hasn't gotten the message by now, they never will.

It's more like, 75% of the thread is the same people going back and forth.

this. its people running in circles as far as their arguments go.

Then lets settle it here and now: 

Is EA's Origins currently spyware right now?

No it's not.

It's the exact same (or pretty damn close) to Steam right now.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Savber100 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

So what happens if I download Origin on a gaming computer that has no essential information etc...?

Just wondering... since I recently had to reformat my new gaming computer.

If Origin is a spyware why can't I just install it on a nearly-empty computer unless they access my networks... O_o

It's not spyware ATM. (Not saying it'll turn into one either before anyone jumps down my throat) you should be fine for the moment.

And you should be able to install it on any computer. Similar to Steam.

It's more accurate to say that it's spyware that is currently only mining and reporting a narrow area of the computer, and that EA "promises" to not change to spy on more things later, after you've given them your money for a game or two. 

Wait wait wait...

So Origns is NOT spyware just yet? Mainly because your definition sounds just like Steam's definition of extracting data.

So are we all complaining about the "possibility"? 

Why not set up a watchdog to keep an eye on Origins since I think we're a bit jumping into the realm of assumptions.

After all, EA is not a full-retard in making cash. They recognize that they're being watched and any false moves will lead to massive loss in money. 

It IS spyware, it's just being restricted by EA at the moment because they got caught doing it.  But they reserve the "right" to change it back to what it was doing before at any time.

[Candidate 88766]

Savber100 wrote...

ttchip wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

150 pages in two days. If 75% of these posts were complaints, there would be about 2800 posts complaining about Origin. If EA hasn't gotten the message by now, they never will.

It's more like, 75% of the thread is the same people going back and forth.

this. its people running in circles as far as their arguments go.

Then lets settle it here and now: 

Is EA's Origins currently spyware right now?

No, not really.

[ArkkAngel007]

Melchiah109 wrote...

KT Chong wrote...

Yesterday the White House has made the public announcement that they would NOT support SOPA -- meaning that Obama would most likely veto SOPA in its current form.

Rupert Murdoch was actually so pissed that he tweeted and personally and directly attacked Obama (instead of using his puppet Fox News to do his dirty work.)

http://nymag.com/dai...itter-rant.html

What does that have to do with anything?

You are joking I hope.

A lot of valid reasons folks are against Origin are similar to why folks are against legislation such as SOPA.  We don't want businesses to have the freedom to do what they wish against the consumers because they don't have the brass to put down sites notorious for pirating material.  We shouldn't have to be censored, banned, arrested, and/or prosecuted for the actions of other people.  This includes restricting our access to products that we legitimately payed for and own.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:26 .

[chris2365]

elitecom wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

150 pages in two days. If 75% of these posts were complaints, there would be about 2800 posts complaining about Origin. If EA hasn't gotten the message by now, they never will.

Well to be optimistic, they've gotten it before. They scrapped the intended DRM for Spore, Mass Effect 1, and Crysis Warhead. Maybe they'll get it again? They do however seem much more stauncher with Origin though.

It's been done before. However, as others said, it will take alot of cancelled pre-orders to get their attention. They just don't seem to want to let the Origin requirements go away, like the DRMs. I personaly don't mind Origin, but I can understand why some people are against it.

Modifié par chris2365, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:25 .

[Mister Mida]

KT Chong wrote...

A front-end client and DRM are fine. Plenty of people use Steam (which is a form of DRM) and have no problem with it. I think it's the EULA and data-mining nature of EA Origin that has given it a very bad rep.

A front-end client is not fine in my book.

[elitecom]

Ryzaki wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

ttchip wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

150 pages in two days. If 75% of these posts were complaints, there would be about 2800 posts complaining about Origin. If EA hasn't gotten the message by now, they never will.

It's more like, 75% of the thread is the same people going back and forth.

this. its people running in circles as far as their arguments go.

Then lets settle it here and now: 

Is EA's Origins currently spyware right now?

No it's not.

It's the exact same (or pretty damn close) to Steam right now.

With one big difference: Steam offers an opt out for the scanning of one's computer, Origin doesn't.

[CroGamer002]

Emoking wrote...

Valve may force people to use Steam, but EA force people to purchase DLC
from only one place, at one price. No shopping around for the consumer
looking for the best price.

Like here?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Let's not forget that EA is also a strong supporter of SOPA. If that doesn't tell you where this is headed in their minds...

[Killjoy Cutter]

Savber100 wrote...

Then lets settle it here and now: 

Is EA's Origins currently spyware right now?

Yes.

[Melchiah109]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Let's not forget that EA is also a strong supporter of SOPA. If that doesn't tell you where this is headed in their minds...

Why do you even post here if you hate EA so much? Seriously, all you ever do is rant about Origin/EA/Whoever else Escapist Magazine tells you to.

[Savber100]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Let's not forget that EA is also a strong supporter of SOPA. If that doesn't tell you where this is headed in their minds...

I thought they dropped out unless being part of  the ESA (with many members from the same organization that despise the legislation) means that EA is just secretly supporting them. 

[CroGamer002]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Then lets settle it here and now: 

Is EA's Origins currently spyware right now?

Yes.

Even after I shown you evidence it ain't?

[ArkkAngel007]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Let's not forget that EA is also a strong supporter of SOPA. If that doesn't tell you where this is headed in their minds...

Most, if not all, publishers are, unfortunantly.  Even if they say they aren't publicly supporting it doesn't mean that they don't.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:28 .

[Melchiah109]

elitecom wrote...



With one big difference: Steam offers an opt out for the scanning of one's computer, Origin doesn't.

No. It doesn't.

The Opt-out is for an optional, ocassional, hardware scan survey that they run. It has nothing to do with the normal operation of Steam.

Modifié par Melchiah109, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:27 .

[Ryzaki]

Wait...I'm confused.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:28 .

[Mister Mida]

Savber100 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Let's not forget that EA is also a strong supporter of SOPA. If that doesn't tell you where this is headed in their minds...

I thought they dropped out unless being part of  the ESA (with many members from the same organization that despise the legislation) means that EA is just secretly supporting them. 

Yes, ESA is supportive of SOPA, and EA is a member of it.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:28 .