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[Pixieking]

Mesina2 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Valve may force people to use Steam, but EA force people to purchase DLC
from only one place, at one price. No shopping around for the consumer
looking for the best price.

Like here?

And. Once. Again.

Found a place that sells Mass Effect 2 DLC?

And this is a serious question, because this is the main reason I'm against EA.

Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:32 .

[Zannana]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Let's not forget that EA is also a strong supporter of SOPA. If that doesn't tell you where this is headed in their minds...

Most, if not all, publishers are, unfortunantly.  Even if they say they aren't publicly supporting it doesn't mean that they don't.

Bungie isnt.

[elitecom]

Melchiah109 wrote...

elitecom wrote...



With one big difference: Steam offers an opt out for the scanning of one's computer, Origin doesn't.

No. It doesn't.

The Opt-out is for an optional, ocassional, hardware scan survey that they run. It has nothing to do with the normal operation of Steam.

Yes and that's what Steam does, that's the scanning, completely optional, with Origin it isn't. 
I don't see why you pull the normal operation of Steam into this though?

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Emoking wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Valve may force people to use Steam, but EA force people to purchase DLC
from only one place, at one price. No shopping around for the consumer
looking for the best price.

Like here?

And. Once. Again.

Found a place that sells Mass Effect 2 DLC?

And this is a serious question, because this is the main reason I'm against EA.

No such other source exists that sells the DLC, look what two options EA gives people, then they go off and wonder at the results.

Pretty sure DLC sales are quite low, although they are a good source of profit.

[ArkkAngel007]

Ryzaki wrote...

Wait...I'm confused.

It is not spyware.  However, as the EULA has a clause that says everything is subject to change, cetain individuals take that as meaning EA will make it spyware the nearest opportunity they can get.

[frankiehorrigan]

Mesina2 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Valve may force people to use Steam, but EA force people to purchase DLC
from only one place, at one price. No shopping around for the consumer
looking for the best price.

Like here?

Now show me alternate places I can buy Mass Effect DLC for money and not stupid points.

[Pixieking]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Valve may force people to use Steam, but EA force people to purchase DLC
from only one place, at one price. No shopping around for the consumer
looking for the best price.

Like here?

And. Once. Again.

Found a place that sells Mass Effect 2 DLC?

And this is a serious question, because this is the main reason I'm against EA.

No such other source exists that sells the DLC, look what two options EA gives people, then they go off and wonder at the results.

Pretty sure DLC sales are quite low, although they are a good source of profit.

Ah, thank you for confirming. I thought I was going mad, having my example ignored repeatedly.

Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:48 .

[Dragoonlordz]

chris2365 wrote...

elitecom wrote...

chris2365 wrote...

150 pages in two days. If 75% of these posts were complaints, there would be about 2800 posts complaining about Origin. If EA hasn't gotten the message by now, they never will.

Well to be optimistic, they've gotten it before. They scrapped the intended DRM for Spore, Mass Effect 1, and Crysis Warhead. Maybe they'll get it again? They do however seem much more stauncher with Origin though.

It's been done before. However, as others said, it will take alot of cancelled pre-orders to get their attention. They just don't seem to want to let the Origin requirements go away, like the DRMs. I personaly don't mind Origin, but I can understand why some people are against it.

They won't back down anywhere near as easy on this you are right about that, Origin is the future they are trying to create to compete with Steam and eventually they wish to be on par if not more than it. It won't matter to them how many hundred or how many thousand cancel orders, because the millions will buy ME3 and thousands of pre-orders are being added each week still rather than any large decline. People cancelling orders on here might have had more effect on a smaller developer not Bioware where ME3 will make millions of sales due to last in trilogy and extremely high quality title. But EA are not stupid they are using what will be one of biggest games of the year ME3, the impact on sales of ME3 will be minimal and thats not even going into the aspect of every genre/title and source of income EA have where cancelling on here peoples copies of ME3 is less than a drop in the ocean of how much they make each and every year where counts in the hundreds of millions I think.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:36 .

[CroGamer002]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Let's not forget that EA is also a strong supporter of SOPA. If that doesn't tell you where this is headed in their minds...

Most, if not all, publishers are, unfortunantly.  Even if they say they aren't publicly supporting it doesn't mean that they don't.

But doesn't make them strong supporters.

Disney and many others( too lazy to chack who again and only Disney is on my mind) get that credit.


Also, this ain't related to Origin.

It's cheap political tactic that Fox News uses daily.
Talk about bad thing someone did and it's completely unrelated to currently discussed issue.
Oh and exaggerated, quite a lot.

[Melchiah109]

elitecom wrote...
Yes and that's what Steam does, that's the scanning, completely optional, with Origin it isn't. 
I don't see why you pull the normal operation of Steam into this though?

No...it's not all they do. There is no option to opt-out of Steam scanning your computer. None. You can opt-out of a single survey. You need to sit down and read the policies Valve has posted up if you really believe what you're saying right now.

[Lumikki]

Savber100 wrote...


Then lets settle it here and now: 

Is EA's Origins currently spyware right now?

Yes, I consider it as spyware. Because it transfers data from you computer to EA . Sure EULA gives some idea what it is, but it doesn't really say it clear enough what data is transfered. I mean what would you call software what transfer some "unknow" data from you computer into internet for someone else?

Modifié par Lumikki, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:02 .

[ArkkAngel007]

elitecom wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...

elitecom wrote...



With one big difference: Steam offers an opt out for the scanning of one's computer, Origin doesn't.

No. It doesn't.

The Opt-out is for an optional, ocassional, hardware scan survey that they run. It has nothing to do with the normal operation of Steam.

Yes and that's what Steam does, that's the scanning, completely optional, with Origin it isn't. 
I don't see why you pull the normal operation of Steam into this though?

Steam will scan your operating system upon installation, some basic information about the machine and connection, and any iffy hardware/software that connects to it, which was the point that was brought up.

[Ryzaki]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Wait...I'm confused.

It is not spyware.  However, as the EULA has a clause that says everything is subject to change, cetain individuals take that as meaning EA will make it spyware the nearest opportunity they can get.

That's what I figured.

ah well. My best case scenario is every major company makes their own steam/origin and then has a hissy fit over prices and cause each other to crash and I can finally get back to buying games at the store and not having to download a client that I have no damn use for.

I just have to play the waiting game in the meantime.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:37 .

[Melchiah109]

Lumikki wrote...

Yes, I consider it as spyware. Because it transfers data from you computer to EA . Sure EULA gives some idea what it is, but it doesn't really say it clear enough what data is transfered. I mean what would you call softare what transfer some "unknow" data from you computer into internet for someone else?

A web browser?

[KT Chong]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Let's not forget that EA is also a strong supporter of SOPA. If that doesn't tell you where this is headed in their minds...

I would be very wary of EA, because of Origin and EA support for SOPA that could invite the wrath of Anonymous.  Anonymous are targeting SOPA supporters:

The New York Times: Fighting Antipiracy Measure, Activist Group Posts Personal Information of Media Executives

EA may say whatever data they collect from you through Origin are safe with them.  (Oh yeah, we are suppose to trust EA on "good faith".)  However, EA is a big corporation that supports SOPA, -- and that makes them a potential target of Anonymous.  Who knows if Anonymous would decide to hack into Origin and take away all the personal information EA has collected, just as what they did to Sony to undermine, sabotage and punish.

EA Origin's data-mining and EA's support for SOPA -- those two factors mixing together -- make them an extremely risky party for entrusting your personal information.

Modifié par KT Chong, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:38 .

[count_4]

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.

Cut the crap, BioWare. Other publishers are able to make it work perfectly fine and EA would be able to so as well, if they wanted. But for some reason they are trying to push this piece of junk named Origin.
And I don't care if the EULA for Germany has been rewritten, EA tried to establish an illegal agreement and the only reason they withdrew was because we caught on to it and they were forced to. 
And now they try to make us think they did because they care. It's ridiculous.

What EA does is certainly not to deliver the best experience for the customer, that would be releasing it on Steam, because most customers want it on Steam. It's an outright lie to say otherwise.
So once again EA is trying to tell us what is best for us.
What EA does is trying to make the biggest amount of money possible and if this involves forcing the customer to use Origin, so be it.
But don't dare to tell us it is because we want it to have a better experience. We do not. 

ME3 is a big deal for me but I actually think about cancelling my pre-order right now.  I have enough of this nonsense.
Were it not for the team behind this game and the potential of it I'd wish for Mass Effect 3 to become the biggest flop in EA history just to remind them that the customer is the one who pays their wages and the customer should be the one to decide how things are done.

Be careful what you do to us customers EA, someday we might strike back.

Modifié par count_4, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:41 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Then lets settle it here and now: 

Is EA's Origins currently spyware right now?

Yes.

Even after I shown you evidence it ain't?

Your evidence only shows that at present, Origin has been restricted to something less onerous in its behavior. 

Origin was very invasive in the past, and EA reserves the right to make it very invasive in the future. 

A bottle of poison that's currently not being used to kill anyone is still a bottle of poison.

[Incognito JC]

igneous.sponge wrote...

I would definitely join such a movement. I 'moo' a lot as part of my everyday speech, so it would be second nature for me.

Then join the moovement!

[ArkkAngel007]

Mesina2 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Let's not forget that EA is also a strong supporter of SOPA. If that doesn't tell you where this is headed in their minds...

Most, if not all, publishers are, unfortunantly.  Even if they say they aren't publicly supporting it doesn't mean that they don't.

But doesn't make them strong supporters.

Disney and many others( too lazy to chack who again and only Disney is on my mind) get that credit.


Also, this ain't related to Origin.

It's cheap political tactic that Fox News uses daily.
Talk about bad thing someone did and it's completely unrelated to currently discussed issue.
Oh and exaggerated, quite a lot.

Um...I think I missed what you're getting at.  It doesn't matter whether they strongly support it or not, they still do.  It's like comparing someone who murdered once on purpose to a serial killer.  They both purposely did what they did, with full knowledge on what the outcome would be.  Perhaps that's a bit too stark, but it serves its purpose.

Both Origin and SOPA are objects used to stem piracy, but will instead encourage it and do more harm to consumers who have not done anything wrong. 

So it is related.  One may be more extreme than the other, but they serve the same purpose.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Melchiah109 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Let's not forget that EA is also a strong supporter of SOPA. If that doesn't tell you where this is headed in their minds...

Why do you even post here if you hate EA so much? Seriously, all you ever do is rant about Origin/EA/Whoever else Escapist Magazine tells you to.

Oh, hey, you got me there.   

Grow up.

[elitecom]

Melchiah109 wrote...

elitecom wrote...
Yes and that's what Steam does, that's the scanning, completely optional, with Origin it isn't. 
I don't see why you pull the normal operation of Steam into this though?

No...it's not all they do. There is no option to opt-out of Steam scanning your computer. None. You can opt-out of a single survey. You need to sit down and read the policies Valve has posted up if you really believe what you're saying right now.

I've read their policies, I'm well aware of them. The difference being is that Origin has been found snooping around in folders it has no business in, that hasn't happened with Steam as of yet.  

[CroGamer002]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Then lets settle it here and now: 

Is EA's Origins currently spyware right now?

Yes.

Even after I shown you evidence it ain't?

Your evidence only shows that at present, Origin has been restricted to something less onerous in its behavior. 

Origin was very invasive in the past, and EA reserves the right to make it very invasive in the future. 

A bottle of poison that's currently not being used to kill anyone is still a bottle of poison.

I can say the same thing for Steam.

Or any other digital distributor.



Though then again, you don't use those either.

So, my reply is pointless for you?

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

I got no reason to fear it more then with Steam.


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It is very well known that steam scans your system only upon your allowing it to do so, as well it only scans your hardware and your steam related folders.

Origin on the other hand, scans the details of your computer, it's software, hardware, and shares that information with 3rd parties without your concent. It is spyware.

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These picture's are baseless , in the actual video their nothing that flashes as origin scanning/uploading data to EA from the computer.All pictures show are files that were supposedly scanned , these are again very mis-leading.Last I was curious and decided to install origin on my computer to see what the uproar was about.

In the Eula it clearly states Origin does not use private files , pictures , video's or anything secret(meaning even if it did scan a file it would never be uploaded because you the consumer could sue them).It does however collect non-private data like computer hardware/software and Ip address.The last makes sense since they want make sure you have a legal copy of the game , optimizing the internet connection and stopping any illegal activity like hacks from ruining someones online experience.

Lastly a few of people on here have the position they don't use origin or anything like it.But for the ones that still use facebook(who has been proven to collect private data) or any other service like that , you might well go ahead and use origin.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:45 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Mesina2 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Let's not forget that EA is also a strong supporter of SOPA. If that doesn't tell you where this is headed in their minds...

Most, if not all, publishers are, unfortunantly.  Even if they say they aren't publicly supporting it doesn't mean that they don't.

But doesn't make them strong supporters.

Disney and many others( too lazy to chack who again and only Disney is on my mind) get that credit.

Also, this ain't related to Origin.

It's cheap political tactic that Fox News uses daily.
Talk about bad thing someone did and it's completely unrelated to currently discussed issue.
Oh and exaggerated, quite a lot.

No, their support for SOPA is directly related to the real thought processes behind Origin.  It lines up perfectly with the historical behavior of Origin, the EULA for Origin, etc.

[CroGamer002]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Um...I think I missed what you're getting at.  It doesn't matter whether they strongly support it or not, they still do.  It's like comparing someone who murdered once on purpose to a serial killer.  They both purposely did what they did, with full knowledge on what the outcome would be.  Perhaps that's a bit too stark, but it serves its purpose.

Both Origin and SOPA are objects used to stem piracy, but will instead encourage it and do more harm to consumers who have not done anything wrong. 

So it is related.  One may be more extreme than the other, but they serve the same purpose.

No it's not.

SOPA will destroy Internet, Origin is just EA's Steam that people still think today it's spyware.