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[Killjoy Cutter]

I do not use Steam, Facebook, Twitter, a smartphone, etc, etc, etc, etc.

[Melchiah109]

elitecom wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...

elitecom wrote...
Yes and that's what Steam does, that's the scanning, completely optional, with Origin it isn't. 
I don't see why you pull the normal operation of Steam into this though?

No...it's not all they do. There is no option to opt-out of Steam scanning your computer. None. You can opt-out of a single survey. You need to sit down and read the policies Valve has posted up if you really believe what you're saying right now.

I've read their policies, I'm well aware of them. The difference being is that Origin has been found snooping around in folders it has no business in, that hasn't happened with Steam as of yet.  

But that's not the point you are trying to make is it? You're spreading misinformation by saying that Steam lets you opt-out of scanning as a whole. Which, by their policies, it does not. Even the survey is just GabeN being nice, which he can get away with a lot easier by not having to answer to shareholders.

[sensou]

Just more evidence of Bioware selling out. I'd hoped Bioware/EA would be more like Blizzard/Activision, but from my perspective, since Bioware hooked up with EA, it's stopped doing what it does best: just making great story-driven games rather than getting all hot and heavy about how to ship and sell copies. Overpriced ME2 DLC. DA2 just fail. SWTOR mostly a WoW-clone, with some story on the side. Now Bioware says: Hey, lets inconvenience our customers by forcing them to download this software our parent company wants to build to compete with Steam!

It doesn't seem like anyone really wants to use Origin. You've got a bunch of customers you're forcing to use it, who either don't care one way or the other, or hate it. Don't put your dispute with Valve before your customers, thanks. If you don't want to be on Steam, fine, but at least make your games available over D2D or other retailers.

I've got no interest in buying a game from a company that wants to treat its customers like that.

All this does is validate people who pirate games, since the real, retail version is actually going to be more inconvenient for a paying customer to use, than a pirated version.

Modifié par sensou, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:51 .

[Finwik]

It sounds like a lot of people are really upset for different reasons.

Some are mad because they have to use ****ty origin, some are mad because they can't use steam, some are mad because EA mentioned it might charge for additional installs in the future, some are mad because EA are liars and we can't trust them at all. Some think Origin is/will be spyware. It's interesting it is all piling up in this thread.

Has EA ever listened to players before?

[Dragoonlordz]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Let's not forget that EA is also a strong supporter of SOPA. If that doesn't tell you where this is headed in their minds...

Most, if not all, publishers are, unfortunantly.  Even if they say they aren't publicly supporting it doesn't mean that they don't.

But doesn't make them strong supporters.

Disney and many others( too lazy to chack who again and only Disney is on my mind) get that credit.

Also, this ain't related to Origin.

It's cheap political tactic that Fox News uses daily.
Talk about bad thing someone did and it's completely unrelated to currently discussed issue.
Oh and exaggerated, quite a lot.

No, their support for SOPA is directly related to the real thought processes behind Origin.  It lines up perfectly with the historical behavior of Origin, the EULA for Origin, etc.

 I'm sorry but at this stage whatever validity you have had in past because of how you took your stance to such extremes all the time... I can't help but imagine you as sitting in a bunker with tin foil hat and trying to use two cups and peice of string to connect to the internet. I am sure this is not the case but makes me laugh because that how you come across to me though mean't in lighthearted jesting way since it is quite likely while you seem to take it to extreme it is still just difference of opinion.

[ArkkAngel007]

Mesina2 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Um...I think I missed what you're getting at.  It doesn't matter whether they strongly support it or not, they still do.  It's like comparing someone who murdered once on purpose to a serial killer.  They both purposely did what they did, with full knowledge on what the outcome would be.  Perhaps that's a bit too stark, but it serves its purpose.

Both Origin and SOPA are objects used to stem piracy, but will instead encourage it and do more harm to consumers who have not done anything wrong. 

So it is related.  One may be more extreme than the other, but they serve the same purpose.

No it's not.

SOPA will destroy Internet, Origin is just EA's Steam that people still think today it's spyware.

Now I think you missed my point.  I understand that the two have stark differences, but again, the reason they are both being implemented is because of piracy, and the outcome of both is that consumers will be punished for the actions of others.

[Zannana]

Finwik wrote...

It sounds like a lot of people are really upset for different reasons.

Some are mad because they have to use ****ty origin, some are mad because they can't use steam, some are mad because EA mentioned it might charge for additional installs in the future, some are mad because EA are liars and we can't trust them at all. Some think Origin is/will be spyware. It's interesting it is all piling up in this thread.

Has EA ever listened to players before?

EA only listens to money. But we do what we can to protest.

Modifié par Zannana, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:51 .

[Pixieking]

Finwik wrote...

It sounds like a lot of people are really upset for different reasons.

Some are mad because they have to use ****ty origin, some are mad because they can't use steam, some are mad because EA mentioned it might charge for additional installs in the future, some are mad because EA are liars and we can't trust them at all. Some think Origin is/will be spyware. It's interesting it is all piling up in this thread.

Yup, this is why at any one time there's, like, 4 different "Why is EA doing this?" conversations, relating to different aspects of what EA is doing.

[teluial]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Steam will scan your operating system upon installation, some basic information about the machine and connection, and any iffy hardware/software that connects to it, which was the point that was brought up.

And then it will show you the data it collected and ASK YOU if you're okay with sending this information to Steam to improve their statistics for developers.  That is, it shows you the exact text it's going to send to Valve.  At this point, you can say "no", and Steam is just fine with that; go on your way and continue to use Steam.

To play Dragon Age after 10 days of hell trying to get a working copy, EA required me to make an Origin account just to launch the game.  It wasn't an obnoxious reminder.  It was absolutely required.  As far as I can tell, it was required for no purpose related to playing Dragon Age itself.  Then you have to come up with an "origin handle" that they warn you that you will be stuck with forever, can never be changed, and is how you will appear on Origin forums.  Now you can play Dragon Age.

[ArkkAngel007]

The group that was made is rather quiet guys. While it's great many have joined, actually posting concerns, whether on a present discussion, one of your own, or a post in the comments, will drive our point across more directly and clearly. If nothing we don't represent our reasons, there is no way the situation can improve.

[Snelle Jaap]

Incognito JC wrote...

igneous.sponge wrote...

I would definitely join such a movement. I 'moo' a lot as part of my everyday speech, so it would be second nature for me.

Then join the moovement!

Good one
There is nothing to lose right.

[MassStorm]

Finwik wrote...

It sounds like a lot of people are really upset for different reasons.

Some are mad because they have to use ****ty origin, some are mad because they can't use steam, some are mad because EA mentioned it might charge for additional installs in the future , some are mad because EA are liars and we can't trust them at all. Some think Origin is/will be spyware. It's interesting it is all piling up in this thread.

Has EA ever listened to players before?

Care to provide a source for the bolded words?

Modifié par MassStorm, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:55 .

[elitecom]

Melchiah109 wrote...
But that's not the point you are trying to make is it? You're spreading misinformation by saying that Steam lets you opt-out of scanning as a whole. Which, by their policies, it does not. Even the survey is just GabeN being nice, which he can get away with a lot easier by not having to answer to shareholders.

No that is true, Steam does perform some kind of scanning of the system where it is installed. Doesn't matter much anyway, still don't use Steam and I don't want to start using Origin.

Origin has however proved to be more liberal with its scanning going into more folders than just the Origin folder, that you cannot deny.

[Mclouvins]

sensou wrote...

Just more evidence of Bioware selling out. I'd hoped Bioware/EA would be more like Blizzard/Activision, but from my perspective, since Bioware hooked up with EA, it's stopped doing what it does best: just making great story-driven games rather than getting all hot and heavy about how to ship and sell copies. Overpriced ME2 DLC. DA2 just fail. SWTOR mostly a WoW-clone, with some story on the side. Now Bioware says: Hey, lets inconvenience our customers by forcing them to download this software our parent company wants to build to compete with Steam!

It doesn't seem like anyone really wants to use Origin. You've got a bunch of customers you're forcing to use it, who either don't care one way or the other, or hate it. Don't put your dispute with Valve before your customers, thanks. If you don't want to be on Steam, fine, but at least make your games available over D2D or other retailers.

I've got no interest in buying a game from a company that wants to treat its customers like that.

Blzzard as a non-money grubbing developer, really? Activision is way worse, Blizzard's new wow sales and the Diablo 3 cash shop are only about boosting revenue, let alone the something like 100 dlc Activision has said they plan to release this year for MW3 trhough the Call of Duty elite thing.

EA games are available through other DD services like D2D and gamersgate. You can try making this case if you want but please at least get your facts straight before throwing out allegations.

[Mister Mida]

teluial wrote...

And then it will show you the data it collected and ASK YOU if you're okay with sending this information to Steam to improve their statistics for developers.  That is, it shows you the exact text it's going to send to Valve.  At this point, you

How long ago has this been implemented? Because last time I installed Steam (late summer last year or so) it never asked if I wanted to send certain information.

[Chavez_Dice]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Let's not forget that EA is also a strong supporter of SOPA. If that doesn't tell you where this is headed in their minds...

Most, if not all, publishers are, unfortunantly.  Even if they say they aren't publicly supporting it doesn't mean that they don't.

But doesn't make them strong supporters.

Disney and many others( too lazy to chack who again and only Disney is on my mind) get that credit.

Also, this ain't related to Origin.

It's cheap political tactic that Fox News uses daily.
Talk about bad thing someone did and it's completely unrelated to currently discussed issue.
Oh and exaggerated, quite a lot.

No, their support for SOPA is directly related to the real thought processes behind Origin.  It lines up perfectly with the historical behavior of Origin, the EULA for Origin, etc.

 I'm sorry but at this stage whatever validity you have had in past because of how you took your stance to such extremes all the time... I can't help but imagine you as sitting in a bunker with tin foil hat and trying to use two cups and peice of string to connect to the internet. I am sure this is not the case but makes me laugh because that how you come across to me though mean't in lighthearted jesting way since it is quite likely while you seem to take it to extreme it is still just difference of opinion.

First they came...

[PnXMarcin1PL]

MassStorm wrote...

Finwik wrote...

It sounds like a lot of people are really upset for different reasons.

Some are mad because they have to use ****ty origin, some are mad because they can't use steam, some are mad because EA mentioned it might charge for additional installs in the future , some are mad because EA are liars and we can't trust them at all. Some think Origin is/will be spyware. It's interesting it is all piling up in this thread.

Has EA ever listened to players before?

Care to provide a source for the bolded words?

This one is deffo made up. Anotyher reason to make people hate more. This is purely madness what is going on here.

2) Is constant Origin connection required
or is it a single one off authentication when the game is first
installed. Is there also a limit to the number of installations
available?
Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single
authorization for the single player game. There is no limit to the
number of installs. Playing Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer will require a
constant connection.

[Ryzaki]

Emoking wrote...

Finwik wrote...

It sounds like a lot of people are really upset for different reasons.

Some are mad because they have to use ****ty origin, some are mad because they can't use steam, some are mad because EA mentioned it might charge for additional installs in the future, some are mad because EA are liars and we can't trust them at all. Some think Origin is/will be spyware. It's interesting it is all piling up in this thread.

Yup, this is why at any one time there's, like, 4 different "Why is EA doing this?" conversations, relating to different aspects of what EA is doing.

I'm mad cause of 1.

I buy my games for brick and mortar to avoid the DD client bull****. I don't see why I have to deal with it. <_<

[casadechrisso]

Not only privacy is a concern, there are multiple other reasons why people don't want Origin. A quick example in an analogy:

Apple: Use iTunes, we have the largest music library all in one store" (some people hate, most people use)

SonyBMG: Hey music friends, we just developed the totally awesome SonyTunes! From this moment on all your favourite SonyBMG music will be available there. Oh right, you can only listen to the songs in SonyTunes, and btw, we don't want to cooperate with Apple anymore because 99c per song isn't enough, so don't expect our stuff on iTunes anymore... (some people: "Hey, alright, competition is great!" *run iTunes and SonyTunes simultanously, listen to the Beatles on iTunes and switch to SonyTunes for the Stones*)

Universal: Oh hey, look what Sony did! We can do that better! We'll pull our albums from iTunes and sell our stuff through our new UniversalMusicPlayer!

(etc. etc.)

Just one example why one could be against Origin, other than EULA and spyware.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Mister Mida wrote...

teluial wrote...

And then it will show you the data it collected and ASK YOU if you're okay with sending this information to Steam to improve their statistics for developers.  That is, it shows you the exact text it's going to send to Valve.  At this point, you

How long ago has this been implemented? Because last time I installed Steam (late summer last year or so) it never asked if I wanted to send certain information.

Did you opt into the data collection?

[Ryzaki]

casadechrisso wrote...

Not only privacy is a concern, there are multiple other reasons why people don't want Origin. A quick example in an analogy:

Apple: Use iTunes, we have the largest music library all in one store" (some people hate, most people use)

SonyBMG: Hey music friends, we just developed the totally awesome SonyTunes! From this moment on all your favourite SonyBMG music will be available there. Oh right, you can only listen to the songs in SonyTunes, and btw, we don't want to cooperate with Apple anymore because 99c per song isn't enough, so don't expect our stuff on iTunes anymore... (some people: "Hey, alright, competition is great!" *run iTunes and SonyTunes simultanously, listen to the Beatles on iTunes and switch to SonyTunes for the Stones*)

Universal: Oh hey, look what Sony did! We can do that better! We'll pull our albums from iTunes and sell our stuff through our new UniversalMusicPlayer!

(etc. etc.)

Just one example why one could be against Origin, other than EULA and spyware.

That is also one of my concerns.

I already have 2 bloatwares, Origin will make 3.

Ra help me if every other major gaming company gets in the action.

[GediminasM]

No ME3 for me too. I'm done with you EA. Sorry.

[Melchiah109]

elitecom wrote...

Origin has however proved to be more liberal with its scanning going into more folders than just the Origin folder, that you cannot deny.

I have not denied it, nor will I ever deny it. I'm only after real, verifiable, facts in thee discussions. Most of the Origin hate has been engineered by a specific group of people (I'm looking at you Reddit) in an attempt to blow something completely out of proportion, not because of what the EULA says, but because of who said EULA is written for.

I'm not a fan of Origin, either, but the only way it's actually going to change is if there is real evidence people get behind, not the usual torch and pitchfork waving drones that recite whatever they read on "news" sites. Frankly, these arguments are a few years too late to do a whole lot of good. People should have been up in arms about them decades ago, now there is a precedent set and the publishers will dig their heels in until forced to do otherwise by outside forces.

Modifié par Melchiah109, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:02 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Mister Mida wrote...

teluial wrote...

And then it will show you the data it collected and ASK YOU if you're okay with sending this information to Steam to improve their statistics for developers.  That is, it shows you the exact text it's going to send to Valve.  At this point, you

How long ago has this been implemented? Because last time I installed Steam (late summer last year or so) it never asked if I wanted to send certain information.

It has never shown me what it sends either. But I know it sends information too and I have it installed right now.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:00 .

[Mister Mida]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Did you opt into the data collection?

During installation no such thing. After that it only asked me if I wanted to join beta programs... Don't ask me to check since I'm not gonna put it on my computer again.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:02 .