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[PnXMarcin1PL]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

SOPA will destroy Internet, Origin is just EA's Steam that people still think today it's spyware.

Hehe,  I consider Steam also spyware. Any program that collects information from users computer and sends it outside to sertain company is spyware.

I like this human, he/she understands.

Yup I never considered Steam OMG wonderful.

Most people do.

[Mister Mida]

Savber100 wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Yes, ESA is supportive of SOPA, and EA is a member of it.

But so are Epic, Nvidia, and Trion who have all announced opposition to SOPA. 

Yes, interesting, isn't it? Although, I've read on a few occasions that some members of ESA actually spoke out against ESA, like Epic, 38 Studios, Trion and Bungie.

[Melchiah109]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

SOPA will destroy Internet, Origin is just EA's Steam that people still think today it's spyware.

Hehe,  I consider Steam also spyware. Any program that collects information from users computer and sends it outside to sertain company is spyware.

I like this human, he/she understands.

Yup I never considered Steam OMG wonderful.

Most people do.

But they didn't always.

[Ryzaki]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Most people do.

Well I'm not most people so.

As far as I'm concerned they're both jerks for making me install an unnecessary resource hogging DD client that I'm never gonna use to play a SP game.

I put up with steam because it was first, but like I said, third time is enough.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:14 .

[Savber100]

Mister Mida wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Yes, ESA is supportive of SOPA, and EA is a member of it.

But so are Epic, Nvidia, and Trion who have all announced opposition to SOPA. 

Yes, interesting, isn't it? Although, I've read on a few occasions that some members of ESA actually spoke out against ESA, like Epic, 38 Studios, Trion and Bungie.

So does being part of ESA equate to supporting SOPA or not? 

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Did you opt into the data collection?

During installation no such thing. After that it only asked me if I wanted to join beta programs... Don't ask me to check since I'm not gonna put it on my computer again.

You have to opt in, to have overall system scanning enhabled, by default you are not opted in I believe, also see the other page where the individual has the screenshot of the confirmation, although I myself have never seen it.

Also Dragoonlordz just a troll I pwned horrendously about 100 pages back, don't give his words much more than a second thought, because hes fishing for flames, trolls like fire, contrary to fantasy lore.

What are you babbling about. You sent me a private message and before sent you response you had blocked me so you wouldn't look stupid when I replied.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


The customer is always right is not the most
timeless and clever, it is the biggest fallacy. No two customers might
hold the same views on something. With a developer especially listening
to all customers is fine making changes based on each customer is not.
Else ME3 would be ponies for companions, shepard turned into a krogan or
liara starting me3 fat and pregnant with a hanars baby.




Developers are not brainless. They won't and can't abide
to ridiculous requests like what you've just said. Obviously if there
is a consensus amongst the consumers, they should take it into account.
Like making Origin optional.



I am a customer,
I am always right. Thats what the phrase so promoted by ignorance
actually 'states'. Like I said the phrase is fallacy because it simply
is not true. When in reality the majority is right in this regard
because the majority sales is better to have than the minorty who are
oppose. Adding on additional phrase to an already bad phrase also proves
this that the phrase is wrong and is not accurate.


In your example going with the majority consensus is the right path to
go but suprisingly I doubt the one's who hate Origin are the majority in
which case in your own words you shouldn't be listened to if that is
true (I do not know which side has the majority but niether does anyone
else here). What is reasonable to person (x) might not be reasonable to
person (y).

In the end much like many others have said it seems to come down to four things I have noticed most.

1. People who do not want (any) additional access software (store fronts/clients and such).

2. People paraniod about privacy raging on about what they 'might do' not what they 'actually do'.
They said only scans Origin folders and files and such = http://imageshack.us...62/originr.jpg/
This appears to be true as it stands right now at this moment in time.
Including thew extremely paranoid ones that actually spend more time
fear mongering than anything else.

3. People who jump on the bandwagon because of mob mentality or just hate EA regardless of what do.


4. People in the middle who don't mind installing it
registering than would like to uninstall it but doubtful will happen
since probably required for updates, patches and for online play I am
sure.

I myself fit in neither because I have Origin
installed, I seen that it does not scan as it stands right now anything
more than I am willing to let it which is files and folders associated
with the game and the client. It to me is no more annoying than steam
but less annoying than Ubisofts version of interface. Itdoes me no harm
whatsoever and it has additional benefit of allowing me to download any
game from EA I have registered for free even if bought and own retail
version, the digital version can be downloaded from the client if
register the retail one and if discs are lost or broken/scratched.


I find the spamming of "I will cancel this or that" or "I
won't buy this or that" to be rather pointless as it stands right now
from people because 99% are all bark no bite. That is how it has always
been on BSN like stated earlier in thread where they have said same
things every single time they get hissy over anything from figurines to
femshep voting plus origin and more. I find it vastly counter-productive
because with all those huffing and puffing but not actually following
through on what they threaten it puts the very, very few who do follow
through in the crying wolf catagory of not believed anymore.



All you have shown is your own ignorance on the subject matter, without disproving others. Hypocrisy at its finest.



Show me where I am wrong? No? ok did not think so.



I am a customer, I am always right. Thats what the phrase so promoted by
ignorance actually 'states'. Like I said the phrase is fallacy because
it simply is not true. When in reality the majority is right in this
regard because the majority sales is better to have than the minorty who
are oppose. Adding on additional phrase to an already bad phrase also
proves this that the phrase is wrong and is not accurate.

^
Right and wrong are perspective, there is no valid reponse to applying
this statement not your counterargument which is nothing less than your
own verbal diarrhea.

You account for assumptions, saying you
can't assume majority or minority then continue to state, "In the end
much like many others have said it seems to come down to four things I
have noticed most." <- lol fail, couldn't even break it with some
filler text.

"I seen that it does not scan as it stands right now anything more than I
am willing to let it which is files and folders associated with the
game and the client."

^ Unless you are sandboxing you are fabricating. Also nice English.



That is how it has always been on BSN like stated earlier in thread
where they have said same things every single time they get hissy over
anything f

^again refer to previous point



Man
this is too easy, please make it more difficult by not contradicting
yourself in the same post, so I at least have to put some effort into
humiliating you.

Too easy.


TROLL TEARS GIVE ME POWER! +9001 Intelligence acquired

I posted on the forum my cave dwelling friend, although trolls have notoriously bad vision, so I'm not surprised you missed it.

[Pixieking]

Melchiah109 wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Yup I never considered Steam OMG wonderful.

Most people do.

But they didn't always.

Thing is, people say "oh, give Origin a chance, Steam was rubbish when it first started out". But that ignores the fact that, when a program has existed for so long that does so much right (even if it's not perfect), why would EA create something that's so much worse, and expect people to choose it? I mean, Origin doesn't even have achievements, for heaven's sake, and even Ubisofts UPlay has them.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Ryzaki wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Most people do.

Well I'm not most people so.

As far as I'm concerned they're both jerks for making me install an unnecessary resource hogging DD client that I'm never gonna use to play a SP game.

And you have your right to do so. I did my own research with steam and origin on my pc and for me it's safe to use both. That's why I'll enjoy ME3. I'm sure others will calm down, pirate the game, watch full walkthrough on youtube or go to justin.tv to watch broadcasts.

[Mister Mida]

Savber100 wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Yes, interesting, isn't it? Although, I've read on a few occasions that some members of ESA actually spoke out against SOPA, like Epic, 38 Studios, Trion and Bungie.

So does being part of ESA equate to supporting SOPA or not? 

yourGuess = myGuess;

Modifié par Mister Mida, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:17 .

[MassStorm]

Finwik wrote...

forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/4697919.page

Er.. lets try that again.

Well you are referring to the rule of the 1 year download but this is long gone since


http://help.ea.com/article/origin-faq

[Sundance31us]

Chavez_Dice wrote...
Because hosting and marketing is free, right? How dare they ask money for hosting content and the use bandwith?

Actually bandwith is free, they charge royalties on sales and make adjustment for other "things" (fraud and returns are listed as examples in the link below).

http://www.steampowe...amworks/FAQ.php

[PnXMarcin1PL]

MassStorm wrote...

Finwik wrote...

forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/4697919.page

Er.. lets try that again.

Well you are referring to the rule of the 1 year download but this is long gone since


http://help.ea.com/article/origin-faq

Another proof that people have based their reasons, etc.. on outdated informations.

[Dansayshi]

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Why the lies? We all know its about maximising profits, while cutting out the major competition. Every other publisher and developer copes quite well with their DLC on steam, why cant you? Oh wait, its EA that makes the decisions.

6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware.  Is this true?
Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s machines.  In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin folder.   This is an ordinary Windows function, not an information-gathering process. 

Their have been afew screenshots of origin scanning files which are completely private and nothing to do with games or origin at all, such as tax records. It scans everything in your program files if im not mistaken, so if you have something there.... well, it will at least read the file header.

Furthermore, Origin is garbage, and I genuinely think EA are punching themselves in the face repeatedly by trying to bulldoze it in.

[Chavez_Dice]

Sundance31us wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...
Because hosting and marketing is free, right? How dare they ask money for hosting content and the use bandwith?

Actually bandwith is free, they charge royalties on sales and make adjustment for other "things" (fraud and returns are listed as examples in the link below).

http://www.steampowe...amworks/FAQ.php

I disagree. As Steam's content servers are also hosted in countries other than the US, it might be custom in some countries to charge money for bandwith. Belgium, for example.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Dansayshi wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Why the lies? We all know its about maximising profits, while cutting out the major competition. Every other publisher and developer copes quite well with their DLC on steam, why cant you? Oh wait, its EA that makes the decisions.

6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware.  Is this true?
Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s machines.  In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin folder.   This is an ordinary Windows function, not an information-gathering process. 

Their have been afew screenshots of origin scanning files which are completely private and nothing to do with games or origin at all, such as tax records. It scans everything in your program files if im not mistaken, so if you have something there.... well, it will at least read the file header.

Furthermore, Origin is garbage, and I genuinely think EA are punching themselves in the face repeatedly by trying to bulldoze it in.

Actual screen of what Origin does. http://img52.imagesh...68/originci.png enjoy...

[Harley_Dude]

Edited out the lawyer speak.

"We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players to maximize our profits regradless of where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to drain the wallets of our consumers."

[Incognito JC]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

[color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">TROLL ]+9001 Intelligence acquired[/color]

I posted on the forum my cave dwelling friend, although trolls have notoriously bad vision, so I'm not surprised you missed it.

You really should just drop it.. it's not going anywhere.

[Pixieking]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...
Because hosting and marketing is free, right? How dare they ask money for hosting content and the use bandwith?

Actually bandwith is free, they charge royalties on sales and make adjustment for other "things" (fraud and returns are listed as examples in the link below).

http://www.steampowe...amworks/FAQ.php

I disagree. As Steam's content servers are also hosted in countries other than the US, it might be custom in some countries to charge money for bandwith. Belgium, for example.

But you have no proof. So it may be no country charges for bandwidth. Unless you mean Belgium does charge, in which case, I've got the wrong end of the stick.

[Dovahzaan]

The Harley Dude wrote...

Edited out the lawyer speak.

"We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players to maximize our profits regradless of where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to drain the wallets of our consumers."

also, Steam sucks.

EA

[Pixieking]

Dovahzaan wrote...

The Harley Dude wrote...

Edited out the lawyer speak.

"We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players to maximize our profits regradless of where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to drain the wallets of our consumers."

also, Steam sucks.

EA

I am actually expecting "Your mum" jokes from EA, soon.

[Chavez_Dice]

Emoking wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...
Because hosting and marketing is free, right? How dare they ask money for hosting content and the use bandwith?

Actually bandwith is free, they charge royalties on sales and make adjustment for other "things" (fraud and returns are listed as examples in the link below).

http://www.steampowe...amworks/FAQ.php

I disagree. As Steam's content servers are also hosted in countries other than the US, it might be custom in some countries to charge money for bandwith. Belgium, for example.

But you have no proof. So it may be no country charges for bandwidth. Unless you mean Belgium does charge, in which case, I've got the wrong end of the stick.

Time to let go of the stick, then. Also, the FUP is basically an obfuscated data limit.

[Ryzaki]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Most people do.

Well I'm not most people so.

As far as I'm concerned they're both jerks for making me install an unnecessary resource hogging DD client that I'm never gonna use to play a SP game.

And you have your right to do so. I did my own research with steam and origin on my pc and for me it's safe to use both. That's why I'll enjoy ME3. I'm sure others will calm down, pirate the game, watch full walkthrough on youtube or go to justin.tv to watch broadcasts.

Eh safe isn't a concern to me. It's wasting ram, hdd space and CPU power that could be used on the game. That agitates me.

lol at the last bit though.

[Finwik]

Ahh, rad, having to pay again to download a game I had already bought was my main concern.

[Chavez_Dice]

Ryzaki wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Most people do.

Well I'm not most people so.

As far as I'm concerned they're both jerks for making me install an unnecessary resource hogging DD client that I'm never gonna use to play a SP game.

And you have your right to do so. I did my own research with steam and origin on my pc and for me it's safe to use both. That's why I'll enjoy ME3. I'm sure others will calm down, pirate the game, watch full walkthrough on youtube or go to justin.tv to watch broadcasts.

Eh safe isn't a concern to me. It's wasting ram, hdd space and CPU power that could be used on the game. That agitates me.

lol at the last bit though.

And other people can make you lose all of your Origin games.

[Pixieking]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...
Because hosting and marketing is free, right? How dare they ask money for hosting content and the use bandwith?

Actually bandwith is free, they charge royalties on sales and make adjustment for other "things" (fraud and returns are listed as examples in the link below).

http://www.steampowe...amworks/FAQ.php

I disagree. As Steam's content servers are also hosted in countries other than the US, it might be custom in some countries to charge money for bandwith. Belgium, for example.

But you have no proof. So it may be no country charges for bandwidth. Unless you mean Belgium does charge, in which case, I've got the wrong end of the stick.

Time to let go of the stick, then. Also, the FUP is basically an obfuscated data limit.

As I understand those paragraphs, that's simply consumer bandwidth charges. Nothing to do with businesses.

Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:33 .