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[Zannana]

Mister Mida wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Yes, interesting, isn't it? Although, I've read on a few occasions that some members of ESA actually spoke out against SOPA, like Epic, 38 Studios, Trion and Bungie.

So does being part of ESA equate to supporting SOPA or not? 

yourGuess = myGuess;

ESA as a whole supports SOPA. Only the individual members that have spoken against the legislation and are protesting it do not. They have separated themselves and are trying to push ESA to protest against SOPA /PIPA as well.

[Chavez_Dice]

Emoking wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...
Because hosting and marketing is free, right? How dare they ask money for hosting content and the use bandwith?

Actually bandwith is free, they charge royalties on sales and make adjustment for other "things" (fraud and returns are listed as examples in the link below).

http://www.steampowe...amworks/FAQ.php

I disagree. As Steam's content servers are also hosted in countries other than the US, it might be custom in some countries to charge money for bandwith. Belgium, for example.

But you have no proof. So it may be no country charges for bandwidth. Unless you mean Belgium does charge, in which case, I've got the wrong end of the stick.

Time to let go of the stick, then. Also, the FUP is basically an obfuscated data limit.

As I understand those paragraphs, that's simply consumer bandwidth charges. Nothing to do with businesses.

Because the enterprise level is also bound to bandwith expenses.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Ryzaki wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Most people do.

Well I'm not most people so.

As far as I'm concerned they're both jerks for making me install an unnecessary resource hogging DD client that I'm never gonna use to play a SP game.

And you have your right to do so. I did my own research with steam and origin on my pc and for me it's safe to use both. That's why I'll enjoy ME3. I'm sure others will calm down, pirate the game, watch full walkthrough on youtube or go to justin.tv to watch broadcasts.

Eh safe isn't a concern to me. It's wasting ram, hdd space and CPU power that could be used on the game. That agitates me.

lol at the last bit though.

well if you have decent computer (my is 3 years old, except gpu and im not worried about game performance)
you know there will be non-origin cracks once the game is out ? 

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Incognito JC wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

[color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">TROLL ]+9001 Intelligence acquired[/color]

I posted on the forum my cave dwelling friend, although trolls have notoriously bad vision, so I'm not surprised you missed it.

You really should just drop it.. it's not going anywhere.

It was never meant to. Ever heard the saying, when dealing with children, it helps if you speak on their level, same sort of thing is applicable here (communication 101).

[Ottemis]

The Harley Dude wrote...

Edited out the lawyer speak.

"We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players to maximize our profits regradless of where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to drain the wallets of our consumers."

I'm sure you assume to know everything, but I wouldn't find EA inherently evil and steam inherently angelic.
They're both out to make profit. You think steam has a different policy?

So what are you saying here? EA is at fault for protecting their incoming assets from steam, whose moneygrubbing?
Exactly, so what are you on about.

[Pixieking]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Emoking wrote...

As I understand those paragraphs, that's simply consumer bandwidth charges. Nothing to do with businesses.

Because the enterprise level is also bound to bandwith expenses.

Really? Huh. Belgium sucks.

Except for Poirot.

[James2912]

If I buy ME3, I am only going to do it if I can isolate the Origin program. I've got confidential information on my computer and I could get into big trouble if some spyware gets to look at it.

Modifié par James2912, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:30 .

[Finwik]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Finwik wrote...

forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/4697919.page

Er.. lets try that again.

Well you are referring to the rule of the 1 year download but this is long gone since


http://help.ea.com/article/origin-faq

Another proof that people have based their reasons, etc.. on outdated informations.

Until EA changing the services and expire all the downloads for the previous service (like they did). it's kinda hilarious

[Incognito JC]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

well if you have decent computer (my is 3 years old, except gpu and im not worried about game performance)
you know there will be non-origin cracks once the game is out ? 

Cracks would disable multiplayer, and it might blacklist our key or deauthorize it altogether. Really not a good option.

[Pixieking]

Ottemis wrote...

The Harley Dude wrote...

Edited out the lawyer speak.

"We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players to maximize our profits regradless of where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to drain the wallets of our consumers."

I'm sure you assume to know everything, but I wouldn't find EA inherently evil and steam inherently angelic.
They're both out to make profit. You think steam has a different policy?

So what are you saying here? EA is at fault for protecting their incoming assets from steam, whose moneygrubbing?
Exactly, so what are you on about.

Steamworks DLC is available from many places, including but not limited to

Amazon
GamersGate
D2D
GreenManGaming

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Emoking wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Emoking wrote...

As I understand those paragraphs, that's simply consumer bandwidth charges. Nothing to do with businesses.

Because the enterprise level is also bound to bandwith expenses.

Really? Huh. Belgium sucks.

Except for Poirot.

and Belgian Waffles

[PnXMarcin1PL]

James2912 wrote...

If I buy ME3, I am only going to do it if I can isolate the Origin program. I've got confidential information on my computer and I could get into big trouble if some spyware gets to look at it.

yup, use sandboxie application (although origin doesnt spy anymore but still). simply instal lsandboxie and run origin through sandboxie

[Dragoonlordz]

Drunken Canadian wrote...
Right and wrong are perspective, there is no valid reponse to applying this statement not your counterargument which is nothing less than your own verbal diarrhea.

You account for assumptions, saying you can't assume majority or minority then continue to state, "In the end much like many others have said it seems to come down to four things I have noticed most." <- lol fail, couldn't even break it with some filler text.

Do you grasp that the majority are going to be buying ME3 when in comparrison to the section of people who are cancelling over this issue. It's the difference between hundreds maybe thousends and [majority] millions who are not cancelling. If you think I am wrong in claiming majorty in that regard then you are vastly mistaken. This isn't majority or minority between BSN users who like or dislike something, it refers to the total sales of the product customers who will continue to buy vs customer who cancel.

Dragoonlordz wrote... 
I seen that it does not scan as it stands right now anything more than I am willing to let it which is files and folders associated with the game and the client.

Drunken Canadian wrote... 
^ Unless you are sandboxing you are fabricating. Also nice English.

That is how it has always been on BSN like stated earlier in thread where they have said same things every single time they get hissy over anything.

What I said was true, what I let it is what I know and allow. What that mean's is the information it 'says it scans and sends' is things I am ok with and if was not would not have it installed. The English was fine too but thanks for policing the internet for grammar and spelling. I do not know what the world would do without you doing that, would be utter chaos I guess hence why you feel the need to attack such instead of simply replying on topic.

Drunken Canadian wrote... 
Man this is too easy, please make it more difficult by not contradicting yourself in the same post, so I at least have to put some effort into humiliating you.

Too easy.

>TROLL +9001 Intelligence acquired

I posted on the forum my cave dwelling friend, although trolls have notoriously bad vision, so I'm not surprised you missed it.

This does not need reply it shows your immaturity without the need to respond.
Owned me? No. Made yourself look childish and stupid? Yes.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:38 .

[Chavez_Dice]

Emoking wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Emoking wrote...

As I understand those paragraphs, that's simply consumer bandwidth charges. Nothing to do with businesses.

Because the enterprise level is also bound to bandwith expenses.

Really? Huh. Belgium sucks.

Except for Poirot.

There are more countries like that. Steam simply has to cover expenses marketing and providing one's game to the public.

[Ottemis]

Emoking wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

The Harley Dude wrote...

Edited out the lawyer speak.

"We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players to maximize our profits regradless of where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to drain the wallets of our consumers."

I'm sure you assume to know everything, but I wouldn't find EA inherently evil and steam inherently angelic.
They're both out to make profit. You think steam has a different policy?

So what are you saying here? EA is at fault for protecting their incoming assets from steam, whose moneygrubbing?
Exactly, so what are you on about.

Steamworks DLC is available from many places, including but not limited to

Amazon
GamersGate
D2D
GreenManGaming

It's in any developers best interest to get coverage at as many places as they can..
If EA is pulling games off steam or they aren't showing up in steam to begin with, this is not because that's a situation they'd ever preferr, steam holds what? 50+% of the DD market? That's like robbing themselves, severely.
So I'm guessing here, that there's got to be a really good reason their stuff isn't all on Steam.

Modifié par Ottemis, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:34 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Incognito JC wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

well if you have decent computer (my is 3 years old, except gpu and im not worried about game performance)
you know there will be non-origin cracks once the game is out ? 

Cracks would disable multiplayer, and it might blacklist our key or deauthorize it altogether. Really not a good option.

many bf3 players havent been banned for few months now
but i dont use any cracks, i dont want to risk it anyways

[Ryzaki]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

well if you have decent computer (my is 3 years old, except gpu and im not worried about game performance)
you know there will be non-origin cracks once the game is out ? 

Yeah I have a gaming laptop that's more than a year old and I don't like wasting resources. I can't run the games I want fully maxed as it is. (I can run them pretty damn close to full maxed though). So no I'm not gonna download 3+ clients and have to put my already decreased settings lower. EA and everyone else can screw themselves at this point.

Yeah that's what I'm gonna wait for. I hope there's one that lets me install the game without ever having Origin touch my comp.

[Incognito JC]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

but i dont use any cracks, i dont want to risk it anyways

Exactly, too much of a risk. If our game is deauthorized, we pretty much paid for nothing.

[Pixieking]

Ottemis wrote...

It's in any developers best intetrest to get coverage at as many places as they can..
If EA is pulling games off steam or they aren't showing up in steam to begin with, this is not because that's a situation they'd ever preferr, steam holds what? 50+% of the DD market? That's like robbing themselves, severely.
So I'm guessing here, that there's got to be a really good reason their stuff isn't all on Steam.

Actually, I've been following this story since it broke last year, and near as I can tell, there isn't any other reason. It is purely to do with EA selling certain DLC exclusively. It would explain why games which don't have DLC - like Alice and Gatling Gear - appear on Steam, but ME3 doesn't. Also, EA's own marketing spin says that it's related to DLC, so... yeah.

No guarantee it's this, mind you, but it really does seem the only thing.

Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:36 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Ottemis wrote...

The Harley Dude wrote...

Edited out the lawyer speak.

"We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players to maximize our profits regradless of where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to drain the wallets of our consumers."

I'm sure you assume to know everything, but I wouldn't find EA inherently evil and steam inherently angelic.
They're both out to make profit. You think steam has a different policy?

So what are you saying here? EA is at fault for protecting their incoming assets from steam, whose moneygrubbing?
Exactly, so what are you on about.

They both are operating on greed (maximizing profits), problem is in EA's case they don't have the resources to bully the market like Steam does, and EA has gone into more questionable grounds with how the client operates and the terms of ownership (and lets be honest EA doesn't have the greatast track record in this respect, support termination). But at the end of the day, both EA and Steam have their interests first, not yours.

[James2912]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

James2912 wrote...

If I buy ME3, I am only going to do it if I can isolate the Origin program. I've got confidential information on my computer and I could get into big trouble if some spyware gets to look at it.

yup, use sandboxie application (although origin doesnt spy anymore but still). simply instal lsandboxie and run origin through sandboxie

Thanks I forgot the name of the program but thats what I'm going to use. EA should be carefull if they scan the wrong folder they could get into trouble for espionage. Which would be hilarious the head of EA being arrested for espionage by the FBI. 

[Dansayshi]

Origin also seems to go against PC communities.

Hell EA suits (who just dont get their consumers) are completely alienating a massive chunk of the market, by ignoring steam.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

James2912 wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

James2912 wrote...

If I buy ME3, I am only going to do it if I can isolate the Origin program. I've got confidential information on my computer and I could get into big trouble if some spyware gets to look at it.

yup, use sandboxie application (although origin doesnt spy anymore but still). simply instal lsandboxie and run origin through sandboxie

Thanks I forgot the name of the program but thats what I'm going to use. EA should be carefull if they scan the wrong folder they could get into trouble for espionage. Which would be hilarious the head of EA being arrested for espionage by the FBI. 

or secret service for spying on mr.presidents computer

[Pixieking]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

They both are operating on greed (maximizing profits), problem is in EA's case they don't have the resources to bully the market like Steam does, and EA has gone into more questionable grounds with how the client operates and the terms of ownership (and lets be honest EA doesn't have the greatast track record in this respect, support termination). But at the end of the day, both EA and Steam have their interests first, not yours.

"Sales figures for Steam have not been released by Valve. However, Stardock, the previous owner of competing platform Impulse, estimated that, as of 2009, Steam had a 70% share of the digital distribution market for video games.[7] In early 2011, Forbes
reported that Steam sales constituted 50 to 70% of the $4 billion
market for downloaded PC games and that Steam offered game producers gross margins of 70% of purchase price, compared with 30% at retail.[69]"

Just to point out something - 70% of every game purchase on Steam goes to the producer. If that's bullying, well...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_%28software%29#Market_share_and_impact

Oh, and from the same article.. people were wondering how many copies of the Witcher 2 were sold on Steam?

"In November 2011, it was revealed by the developer of The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings that Steam was responsible for 80% of the online sales of the game."

Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:45 .

[Ottemis]

Emoking wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

It's in any developers best intetrest to get coverage at as many places as they can..
If EA is pulling games off steam or they aren't showing up in steam to begin with, this is not because that's a situation they'd ever preferr, steam holds what? 50+% of the DD market? That's like robbing themselves, severely.
So I'm guessing here, that there's got to be a really good reason their stuff isn't all on Steam.

Actually, I've been following this story since it broke last year, and near as I can tell, there isn't any other reason. It is purely to do with EA selling certain DLC exclusively. It would explain why games which don't have DLC - like Alice and Gatling Gear - appear on Steam, but ME3 doesn't. Also, EA's own marketing spin says that it's related to DLC, so... yeah.

No guarantee it's this, mind you, but it really does seem the only thing.

There was a similar story going round the pulling of Crysis 2, there was an official statement towards that one, if this one is the same.. lemme find it:

"Steam has imposed a set of business terms for developers hoping to sell content on that service -- many of which are not imposed by other online game services," the statement reads. "Unfortunately, Crytek has an agreement with another download service which violates the new rules from Steam and resulted in its expulsion of Crysis 2 from Steam."

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Dansayshi wrote...
Origin also seems to go against PC communities.

Hell
EA suits (who just dont get their consumers) are completely alienating
a massive chunk of the market, by ignoring steam.

That sounds rather rediculous sorry. "This billion dollar company doesn't know how to make money!"
As said, I would highly doubt they'd have wanted to not have ME3 on steam aswell, I'm pretty sure that's what Chris said aswell. Or are we going to call him a liar.

Modifié par Ottemis, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:49 .