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[Ryzaki]

Emoking wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

They both are operating on greed (maximizing profits), problem is in EA's case they don't have the resources to bully the market like Steam does, and EA has gone into more questionable grounds with how the client operates and the terms of ownership (and lets be honest EA doesn't have the greatast track record in this respect, support termination). But at the end of the day, both EA and Steam have their interests first, not yours.

"Sales figures for Steam have not been released by Valve. However, Stardock, the previous owner of competing platform Impulse, estimated that, as of 2009, Steam had a 70% share of the digital distribution market for video games.[7] In early 2011, Forbes
reported that Steam sales constituted 50 to 70% of the $4 billion
market for downloaded PC games and that Steam offered game producers gross margins of 70% of purchase price, compared with 30% at retail.[69]"

Just to point out something - 70% of every game purchase on Steam goes to the producer. If that's bullying, well...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_%28software%29#Market_share_and_impact

Oh, and from the same article.. people were wondering how many copies of the Witcher 2 were sold on Steam?

"In November 2011, it was revealed by the developer of The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings that Steam was responsible for 80% of the online sales of the game."

Wow. Compared to retail Steam's downright reasonable. No wonder people like working with them.

[Harley_Dude]

@Ottemis. Cutting out Steam as the middle man gives them higher margins. I don't mind a local install but I do mind a nanny being installed on my PC. Every piece of software that opens an internet connection has the potential to be exploited. I got a virus through java update and there are hundreds if not thousands of people working on java security. How many employees will EA dedicate to making Origin secure since there is no revenue to be derived. EA wants SOPA but are they willing to pay the cost of data recovery on my PC if their software allows an infection. Not a chance.

[CenturyCrow]

So has anyone decided to give up computer gaming altogether on account of Origin, or SONY, EULA, TOS, Privacy, etc?

After reading through most of the thread, through the arguments and the vitriol, it still comes down to a few choices:

Stop computer gaming.
Boycott EA; Don't buy it/cancel pre-order
Don't buy it now, but wait for more info.
Pre-order and wait for more info (i.e. sandboxing, etc.)
Buy it/pre-order it for the console to avoid Origin
Pre-order but don't install until more is revealed
Buy it well after the release date
Do something illegal (out of spite or anger)
Write a letter(s) to EA and BioWare and make your complaints known.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Drunken Canadian wrote...
Right and wrong are perspective, there is no valid reponse to applying this statement not your counterargument which is nothing less than your own verbal diarrhea.

You account for assumptions, saying you can't assume majority or minority then continue to state, "In the end much like many others have said it seems to come down to four things I have noticed most." <- lol fail, couldn't even break it with some filler text.

Do you grasp that the majority are going to be buying ME3 when in comparrison to the section of people who are cancelling over this issue. It's the difference between hundreds maybe thousends and [majority] millions who are not cancelling. If you think I am wrong in claiming majorty in that regard then you are vastly mistaken. This isn't majority or minority between BSN users who like or dislike something, it refers to the total sales of the product customers who will continue to buy vs customer who cancel.

Dragoonlordz wrote... 
I seen that it does not scan as it stands right now anything more than I am willing to let it which is files and folders associated with the game and the client.

Drunken Canadian wrote... 
^ Unless you are sandboxing you are fabricating. Also nice English.

That is how it has always been on BSN like stated earlier in thread where they have said same things every single time they get hissy over anything.

What I said was true, what I let it is what I know and allow. What that mean's is the information it 'says it scans and sends' is things I am ok with and if was not would not have it installed. The English was fine too but thanks for policing the internet for grammar and spelling. I do not know what the world would do without you doing that, would be utter chaos I guess hence why you feel the need to attack such instead of simply replying on topic.

Drunken Canadian wrote... 
Man this is too easy, please make it more difficult by not contradicting yourself in the same post, so I at least have to put some effort into humiliating you.

Too easy.

>TROLL +9001 Intelligence acquired

I posted on the forum my cave dwelling friend, although trolls have notoriously bad vision, so I'm not surprised you missed it.

This does not need reply it shows your immaturity without the need to respond.
Owned me? No. Made yourself look childish and stupid? Yes.

"I seen that it" <- GRAMMA Y 4 U HAZ FAIL MEH!!!!11!!!!!1!!!

"This does not need reply it shows your immaturity without the need to respond. "

And yet you said you were going to reply, but I blocked you because I know you are a troll.

Also this counteracts your immaturity statement-> It was never meant to. Ever heard the saying, when dealing with
children, it helps if you speak on their level, same sort of thing is
applicable here (communication 101).

Also the majority don't play videogames, much less ME3, try to defend your failship points.

I've fed you enough for today troll, don't want you getting morbidly obese. I'm going to go walk in the sunlight, you should try it sometime too.

COUNTER TROLLS WIN

[Dragoonlordz]

Running both applications for same amount of time this evening.



I will point out I did not [Opt In] to Steams sending information service.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:49 .

[Pixieking]

Ryzaki wrote...

Emoking wrote...

"Sales figures for Steam have not been released by Valve. However, Stardock, the previous owner of competing platform Impulse, estimated that, as of 2009, Steam had a 70% share of the digital distribution market for video games.[7] In early 2011, Forbes
reported that Steam sales constituted 50 to 70% of the $4 billion
market for downloaded PC games and that Steam offered game producers gross margins of 70% of purchase price, compared with 30% at retail.[69]"

Just to point out something - 70% of every game purchase on Steam goes to the producer. If that's bullying, well...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_%28software%29#Market_share_and_impact

Oh, and from the same article.. people were wondering how many copies of the Witcher 2 were sold on Steam?

"In November 2011, it was revealed by the developer of The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings that Steam was responsible for 80% of the online sales of the game."

Wow. Compared to retail Steam's downright reasonable. No wonder people like working with them.

Yeah... Plus, apparently Gabe Newell is an awesome guy. People email him and he just responds... Someone asked him what his favourite TF2 class was, and he emailed back "Spy". Imagine doing that with EA? No, me neither.

[Weiser_Cain]

CenturyCrow wrote...

So has anyone decided to give up computer gaming altogether on account of Origin, or SONY, EULA, TOS, Privacy, etc?

I've been looking into making my own games as nobody seems to want to make RPG's anymore anyway.

[hangmans tree]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

CenturyCrow wrote...

So has anyone decided to give up computer gaming altogether on account of Origin, or SONY, EULA, TOS, Privacy, etc?

I've been looking into making my own games as nobody seems to want to make RPG's anymore anyway.

count me in....

[Mister Mida]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

CenturyCrow wrote...

So has anyone decided to give up computer gaming altogether on account of Origin, or SONY, EULA, TOS, Privacy, etc?

I've been looking into making my own games as nobody seems to want to make RPG's anymore anyway.

I'm hoping to do the same. I'm gonna work with some interesting tech soon

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Ryzaki wrote...

Emoking wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

They both are operating on greed (maximizing profits), problem is in EA's case they don't have the resources to bully the market like Steam does, and EA has gone into more questionable grounds with how the client operates and the terms of ownership (and lets be honest EA doesn't have the greatast track record in this respect, support termination). But at the end of the day, both EA and Steam have their interests first, not yours.

"Sales figures for Steam have not been released by Valve. However, Stardock, the previous owner of competing platform Impulse, estimated that, as of 2009, Steam had a 70% share of the digital distribution market for video games.[7] In early 2011, Forbes
reported that Steam sales constituted 50 to 70% of the $4 billion
market for downloaded PC games and that Steam offered game producers gross margins of 70% of purchase price, compared with 30% at retail.[69]"

Just to point out something - 70% of every game purchase on Steam goes to the producer. If that's bullying, well...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_%28software%29#Market_share_and_impact

Oh, and from the same article.. people were wondering how many copies of the Witcher 2 were sold on Steam?

"In November 2011, it was revealed by the developer of The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings that Steam was responsible for 80% of the online sales of the game."

Wow. Compared to retail Steam's downright reasonable. No wonder people like working with them.

Poor choice of words on my part, I was more referring to the games exclusive to steam, or requiring steam installation (although reality is, steams change in policy could have been seen as unreasonable by publishers, although essentially nobody but EA pulled on this basis to my knowledge). Steam has its hands in everything from Humble Bundles (donate to them, awesome concept), to this years PC blockbusters Skyrim/MW3 (both sold extremely well).

[Ryzaki]

@Drunk: Okay that makes sense.

Mister Mida wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

CenturyCrow wrote...

So has anyone decided to give up computer gaming altogether on account of Origin, or SONY, EULA, TOS, Privacy, etc?

I've been looking into making my own games as nobody seems to want to make RPG's anymore anyway.

I'm hoping to do the same. I'm gonna work with some interesting tech soon

Count me in.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:54 .

[Pixieking]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Poor choice of words on my part, I was more referring to the games exclusive to steam, or requiring steam installation (although reality is, steams change in policy could have been seen as unreasonable by publishers, although essentially nobody but EA pulled on this basis to my knowledge). Steam has its hands in everything from Humble Bundles (donate to them, awesome concept), to this years PC blockbusters Skyrim/MW3 (both sold extremely well).

Steam doesn't take money from Humble Bundles

"Purchasers are able to set how much they wish to pay for the bundles and
how they want their money to be distributed between developers of the
games, Humble Tip (which organizes the promotion) and charities, some of
which have included: Child's Play, the Electronic Frontier Foundation and the American Red Cross. "

( http://en.wikipedia....le_indie_bundle )

The buyer does get Steam keys for most games, though, so I see how you got confused.

And, tbh, publishers don't have to choose Steamworks DRM. They can choose other forms of DRM. It's just, with Steam only taking 30% profit from sales, why wouldn't a publisher use them?

And, again, there are no Steam "exclusives". There's games that require Steam, but there's plenty of places to purchase them that aren't Steam.

Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:55 .

[Orfinn]

This whole SOPA, Origin ideas are nuts! Well go ahead hurt yourself Bioware. The sooner you rip yourself apart from EA, the better. Or use them until you are strong enough to stand on your own. I will buy ME 3, just not on PC.
I dont trust Origin, neither will I give it a chance, no reason to! Enough sneak, snook programs coming with games these days (especially PC) no wonder the PC game industry are taking a hit in sales, IMO.
Got the past titles on both PC and 360 but this is.. no I have no words for it, really. But stay true to the fans, listen, ask us about ideas and make one helluva final chapter for Shepard and Co and I will be a happy gamer.

And SOPA? A control freaks dream!

[Dragoonlordz]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

CenturyCrow wrote...

So has anyone decided to give up computer gaming altogether on account of Origin, or SONY, EULA, TOS, Privacy, etc?

I've been looking into making my own games as nobody seems to want to make RPG's anymore anyway.

If you could make games in similar style to the old Shining Force RPGs I would buy it.

[Mister Mida]

Emoking wrote...

And, tbh, publishers don't have to choose Steamworks DRM. They can choose other forms of DRM. It's just, with Steam only taking 30% profit from sales, why wouldn't a publisher use them?

Uhmm... Because some people have no use for it and don't like to have this stuff shoved down their throats?

[CenturyCrow]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

CenturyCrow wrote...
So has anyone decided to give up computer gaming altogether on account of Origin, or SONY, EULA, TOS, Privacy, etc?

I've been looking into making my own games as nobody seems to want to make RPG's anymore anyway.

That's a positive alternative. I agree that the RPG game has deteriorated somewhat, plus all the baggage that has nothing to do with the game itself. Did you check Source Forge to see if there's any open source RPGs in progress that were of interest?

[wolfsite]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Running both applications for same amount of time this evening.



I will point out I did not [Opt In] to Steams sending information service.

That is rather interesting,  I'll have to watch for that next time I do process Monitoring checks.

[magataga]

 I purchased Mass Effect 1 on 3 seperate occasions.
The first time on physical media for the xbox.
The second time as part of a digital distrubtion service (I think the origional EA downloader before Origion).
The Third when it became avaialble on steam.
I purchased Mass Effect 2 on Steam.
I will not be purchasing Mass Effect 3 on Origion.
That is all.

[Pixieking]

Mister Mida wrote...

Emoking wrote...

And, tbh, publishers don't have to choose Steamworks DRM. They can choose other forms of DRM. It's just, with Steam only taking 30% profit from sales, why wouldn't a publisher use them?

Uhmm... Because some people have no use for it and don't like to have this stuff shoved down their throats?

Well, in that case you're arguing pro-consumer. I was pointing out that the publisher makes more, so from their side, it's a good idea. Theoretically. But, yes, then you've got CDPR with Witcher 2. But not many mainstream publishers go the non DRM route (interestingly, Ubisoft did, with one of their newer Prince of Persia games).

http://arstechnica.c...-its-a-trap.ars

Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:59 .

[slimgrin]

All I know is this: I buy a movie or song, I get to enjoy it whenever I want. I buy a game from EA, and I have to enjoy it under their watch, with all sorts if strings attached. This is why the game industry sucks. People have already been locked out of BF3 after updating the game through Origin. It's plain bullsh*t. Where is the motivation to acquire the game legally?

Modifié par slimgrin, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:04 .

[Dragoonlordz]

CenturyCrow wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

CenturyCrow wrote...
So has anyone decided to give up computer gaming altogether on account of Origin, or SONY, EULA, TOS, Privacy, etc?

I've been looking into making my own games as nobody seems to want to make RPG's anymore anyway.

That's a positive alternative. I agree that the RPG game has deteriorated somewhat, plus all the baggage that has nothing to do with the game itself. Did you check Source Forge to see if there's any open source RPGs in progress that were of interest?

Here's one being developed and it's weather effect. Something came across long time ago which looks impressive engine being made right now I think.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:05 .

[wolfsite]

Emoking wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Emoking wrote...

And, tbh, publishers don't have to choose Steamworks DRM. They can choose other forms of DRM. It's just, with Steam only taking 30% profit from sales, why wouldn't a publisher use them?

Uhmm... Because some people have no use for it and don't like to have this stuff shoved down their throats?

Well, in that case you're arguing pro-consumer. I was pointing out that the publisher makes more, so from their side, it's a good idea. Theoretically. But, yes, then you've got CDPR with Witcher 2. But not many mainstream publishers go the non DRM route (interestingly, Ubisoft did, with one of their newer Prince of Persia games).

http://arstechnica.c...-its-a-trap.ars

Ya Prince of Persia (2008) was DRM free.

[CandidCarnage]

I've given it some thought. I'm not going to cancel my pre-order. I'm instead going to partition my drive, and have Origin on the partition along with an operating system and ME3, and *nothing* else.

No alternative, really. I didn't buy BF3 because of Origin, and I was really looking forward to it as well. Unless I'm prepared to miss ME3 too, I'll have to go to some trouble isolating Origin... I'll keep thinking about it. It's not too late for me to change my mind and just watch the game completed on youtube.

Modifié par CandidCarnage, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:09 .

[Incognito JC]

CandidCarnage wrote...

I've given it some thought. I'm not going to cancel my pre-order. I'm instead going to partition my drive, and have Origin on the partition along with an operating system and ME3, and *nothing* else.

No alternative, really. I didn't buy BF3 because of Origin, and I was really looking forward to it as well. Unless I'm prepared to miss ME3, I'll have to go to some trouble isolating Origin... I'll keep thinking about it. It's not too late for me to change my mind and just watch the game completed on youtube.

I think Origin scans your registry keys as well as other drives.. not entirely sure on that. Partition wouldn't work if this is the case.

[Sundance31us]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...
They both are operating on greed (maximizing profits)...

If you really want to know where EA is spending it's money or which platforms account for most of their sales, take a look at their investor page.

http://investors.ea.com/

In the very least take a look at the items listed under each tab of the "Financial Model" Excel file.