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[XxTAFxX]

I would like to know what's the proper excuse not putting it on steam?
As i got me1 and 2 on steam,i would really like 3 on steam as part of the collection.

I'll wait till it hits steam,if it don't then lost sale.
It's not about origin for me it's about keeping my collection together.

Modifié par XxTAFxX, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:28 .

[didymos1120]

XxTAFxX wrote...

I would like to know what's the proper excuse not putting it on steam?

It's not exactly a secret. Valve now requires that DLC sales go through Steam, and they get a cut of the DLC revenue.  EA doesn't like those terms.

Modifié par didymos1120, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:29 .

[EternalPink]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Below are answers to the most commonly asked questions about Origin and Mass Effect 3. Thank you for your patience as we have worked to answer them.

1) Will Origin be a requirement to play all versions of Mass Effect 3? (Digital and/or from a retail brick and mortar store)
Yes, Origin is required for all PC editions of Mass Effect 3, physical or digital.

2) Is constant Origin connection required or is it a single one off authentication when the game is first installed. Is there also a limit to the number of installations available?
Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single authorization for the single player game. There is no limit to the number of installs. Playing Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer will require a constant connection.

3) Is Origin required for the retail versions of the game?
Origin is required for the PC versions of Mass Effect 3, both physical and digital.

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection? 
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware.  Is this true?
Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s machines.  In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin folder.   This is an ordinary Windows function, not an information-gathering process. 

7) Has the Origin EULA been updated following recent questions in Germany?
The German Origin EULA has been updated.  For more information, please review the Origin EULA here: http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas.

8) Is there a double-opt in for Mass Effect 3 marketing emails for German residents?
Yes, we always adhere to the German requirement of a double opt-in standard for marketing emails.  Mass Effect 3 users must opt-in twice to receive these emails.


I appreciate everyone's patience on this topic. Please continue to ask questions about Mass Effect 3 and Origin and I will continue to try to get the answers for you.

Thank you for answering finally

[GipsyDangeresque]

My pre-order is canceled until Single-Player requires a constant connection to the internet like Assassin's Creed 2. If you're going to ****** off the privacy-sensitive portion of gamers, at least go all-out dammit!


One thing that should be clarified to help eliminate general ignorance, is that Steam actually does scan every file on the hard disk it is installed on, and not just the Steam directory as is sometimes claimed. They know what percentage of their user base makes use of BitTorrent clients, for instance.

All I'm trying to say is, if you're against Origin for privacy concerns alone please don't be a hypocrite and support Steam as an alternative in turn.


On the other hand, my other opinion on this subject is that I think EA should just suck it up and distribute their DLC through the Steam client like every other gaming company does, and just allow Valve to collect the small profit on the DLC purchases, also just as everyone else does. It's the price you pay for exposing your product to a wider audience and distributing it to them, and also one worth paying.


Ranting aside, thanks for finally getting this information out to all of us as promised, Bioware. It's much appreciated.

Modifié par Atemeus, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:35 .

[Complistic]

Atemeus wrote...

My pre-order is canceled until Single-Player requires a constant connection to the internet like Assassin's Creed 2. If you're going to ****** off the privacy-sensitive portion of gamers, at least go all-out dammit!


One thing that should be clarified to help eliminate general ignorance, is that Steam actually does scan every file on the hard disk it is installed on, and not just the Steam directory as is sometimes claimed. They know what percentage of their user base makes use of BitTorrent clients, for instance.

All I'm trying to say is, if you're against Origin for privacy concerns alone please don't be a hypocrite and support Steam as an alternative in turn.

those are optional hardware surveys you can opt into.

[monika26]

While I am not happy about Origin being required for ME3, I do have one concern which I don't believe has been clarified. Will Origin need to be running to play ME3? Or are we able to just install and activate ME3 with Origin then ignore that Origin exists? I really don't care for the idea of having to run Origin every single time I want to play ME3.

[charmingcharlie]

Atemeus wrote...  One thing that should be clarified to help eliminate general ignorance, is that Steam actually does scan every file on the hard disk it is installed on, and not just the Steam directory as is sometimes claimed. They know what percentage of their user base makes use of BitTorrent clients, for instance.

All I'm trying to say is, if you're against Origin for privacy concerns alone please don't be a hypocrite and support Steam as an alternative in turn.

As has been said numerous times that is an OPTIONAL survey you can OPT OUT OF if you wish too.  The data mining that Origin does is NOT OPTIONAL, you can NOT opt out of it.  I really can't understand why people fail to see the difference here ?

[double02]

I praise the 360. Although the EA/pass crap is rather displeasing too.

[DTKT]

Atemeus wrote...

My pre-order is canceled until Single-Player requires a constant connection to the internet like Assassin's Creed 2. If you're going to ****** off the privacy-sensitive portion of gamers, at least go all-out dammit!


One thing that should be clarified to help eliminate general ignorance, is that Steam actually does scan every file on the hard disk it is installed on, and not just the Steam directory as is sometimes claimed. They know what percentage of their user base makes use of BitTorrent clients, for instance.

All I'm trying to say is, if you're against Origin for privacy concerns alone please don't be a hypocrite and support Steam as an alternative in turn.


On the other hand, my other opinion on this subject is that I think EA should just suck it up and distribute their DLC through the Steam client like every other gaming company does, and just allow Valve to collect the small profit on the DLC purchases, also just as everyone else does. It's the price you pay for exposing your product to a wider audience and distributing it to them, and also one worth paying.


Ranting aside, thanks for finally getting this information out to all of us as promised, Bioware. It's much appreciated.

It's called the Hardware Survey and it's totally optional.

[MartinDN]

ejoslin wrote...

My issue with Origin is that it scans and sends back to EA the name of every file on my computer. I really don't care what they do with it; I just care that it is done to begin with. This is far beyond what Steam does. I won't be buying ME3, but I probably wouldn't have anyway. I just hope this trend ends before DA3 comes out.

Google is your friend - "Isolation program" - Origin will not search files you wont let it search.

I do have a question, if i may, why be on the forum, and commentate about me3 being on origin, if you wasnt going to buy it ?

Modifié par MartinDN, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:49 .

[GipsyDangeresque]

Point, head, woosh it is missed.

How many people do you think are even aware of the opt-out for the Hardware Survey? It's a hidden away check-mark, and is activated by default. The larger, more casual and general userbase is unaware of the feature in the first place.

It changes nothing, except allowing cleverer users to evade it's grasp, so to speak. If someone is paranoid about their privacy, then even those subversive tactics should be a black mark on a company's record.

Unless you don't think either is a black mark, but that's not a userbase that I was talking about anyway.

Modifié par Atemeus, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:48 .

[shep82]

IsaacShep wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

They should just do what they did with ME1 and ME2, regardless this game is likely my last Bioware/EA game.

Pretty much. I hate this generation of PC gaming so much. After the rise of internet, no one and nothing is more responsible for decline of PC sales than publishers themselves.

I can't blame them piracy has really been a problem since then and PC gaming has declined but not enough to worry about IMO. PC gaming will always be around just some won't like what it's become me I am happy as long as quality games are released and that is still the case.

[MartinDN]

Atemeus wrote...

Point, head, woosh it is missed.

How many people do you think are even aware of the opt-out for the Hardware Survey? It's a hidden away check-mark, and is activated by default. The larger, more casual and general userbase is unaware of the feature in the first place.

It changes nothing, except allowing cleverer users to evade it's grasp, so to speak. If someone is paranoid about their privacy, then even those subversive tactics should be a black mark on a company's record.

Unless you don't think either is a black mark, but that's not a userbase that I was talking about anyway.

Steam upon installation asks you if you want to opt out. I know many people will ignore it but still, atleast they give you some notice. And last time i checked, there is a difference between hardware survey and a black cheque on your system.

[Jonas TM]

Atemeus wrote...

Point, head, woosh it is missed.

How many people do you think are even aware of the opt-out for the Hardware Survey? It's a hidden away check-mark, and is activated by default. The larger, more casual and general userbase is unaware of the feature in the first place.

It changes nothing, except allowing cleverer users to evade it's grasp, so to speak. If someone is paranoid about their privacy, then even those subversive tactics should be a black mark on a company's record.

Unless you don't think either is a black mark, but that's not a userbase that I was talking about anyway.

Steam asks you before it runs the scan.  How is that a hidden check box?  If you want to allow it you click yes, if you don't want to allow it you click no.  It is a yearly hardware survey.  Grasp at straws much?

[RogueMumei]

I thought this'd be the case, but at least now it's out in the open. I'm wondering if I can play it without Origin running in the background. It'd be okay if I only had to have Origin on to authorize it, then just close it and never have to open it again. IsaacShep had similar questions, so I'll just repost here since they tried so hard to get them answered.

IsaacShep wrote...

To Chris Priestly:

1) If we do not intend to use multiplayer, can we uninstall Origin after completing one time single authorization for the single player game?

2) Also, will I have to install Origin EVERY TIME I install Mass Effect 3, or after one time single authorization I will no longer have to install Origin ever again?

[Incognito JC]

Jonas TM wrote...

Steam asks you before it runs the scan.  How is that a hidden check box?  If you want to allow it you click yes, if you don't want to allow it you click no.  It is a yearly hardware survey.  Grasp at straws much?

Should just leave the guy alone. It's obvious he's trying to save face after being pointed wrong by so many others.

[GipsyDangeresque]

Well that's just what I get for not doing the research myself,

Still, if it's a hardware survey, why does it collect data on installed programs? Hardware Survey makes it sound like it analyzes video-cards, CPUs and installed operating systems and such (which is all I ever see when they reveal new updates on this info), but I indeed remember news of Steam also having data on things more specific than that.

Modifié par Atemeus, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:58 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

I've read the opening post, and Bioware has already posted one blatant and clear lie -- Origin's behavior in tests made it clear that it is, in fact, spyware.  Origin's installer exibited the behaviors of spyware, beginning to scan unrelated folders before the user had even accepted the terms of the installation. 

No one who cares about their privacy or security should ever install Origin.

I will not be purchasing ME3, and I will encourage all gamers I am in contact with to refrain from purchasing ME3.

The only way to stop publishers from cramming things like Origin down your throat is to not purchase their products until their behavior changes.  Only their bottom line matters to them, they have no ethics and no morals.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:02 .

[charmingcharlie]

Atemeus wrote...

Point, head, woosh it is missed.

How many people do you think are even aware of the opt-out for the Hardware Survey? It's a hidden away check-mark, and is activated by default. The larger, more casual and general userbase is unaware of the feature in the first place.

It changes nothing, except allowing cleverer users to evade it's grasp, so to speak. If someone is paranoid about their privacy, then even those subversive tactics should be a black mark on a company's record.

Unless you don't think either is a black mark, but that's not a userbase that I was talking about anyway.

The last time Steam did a survey a box popped up clearling stating something along the lines of "hey we wanna scan your PC to help with our hardware survey, it's cool if you don't want to take part we won't shut anything down or refuse to allow you access to your account.  If you wish to take part in the survey click yes".

The point seems to have wooshed over YOUR head.  Yes Steam does a hardware survey but it is completely optional.  I can (and do) opt out of the survey, if other people are stupid enough not to read pop up boxes right in the centre of their damn screen then that is their problem and they should be a bit more careful.  

However it doesn't change the fact that Steam allows you to opt out of the data mining it does but Origin does not allow you to opt out of the data mining it does.

[Erode_The_Soul]

Not surprising by any means, but still, this is a spirit breaker for sure


The inclusion of their particular brand of spyware wasn't a major concern for me as there are ways around that, but the absence from Steam is a hands down dealbreaker for me. I sensed it coming -- especially after Steam users got screwed around with so much during DA2's release -- but it's still disappointing. Which is, unfortunately, a feeling that I've found associated with Bioware more frequently as of late.


I can't say that I'll cancel my preorder, as I never made one in hopes of getting some info about Steam and Origin beforehand. I can say, however, that ME3 is no longer a Day 1 purchase for me. And now, I'm sad


Thanks for being forthright about this (finally). I just wish you had better news to share.

Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:00 .

[Complistic]

Atemeus wrote...

Well that's just what I get for not doing the research myself,

Still, if it's a hardware survey, why does it collect data on installed programs? Hardware Survey makes it sound like it analyzes video-cards, CPUs and installed operating systems and such (which is all I ever see when they reveal new updates on this info), but I indeed remember news of Steam also having data on things more specific than that.

It flat out tells you what information it's going to be grabbing. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

MartinDN wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

My issue with Origin is that it scans and sends back to EA the name of every file on my computer. I really don't care what they do with it; I just care that it is done to begin with. This is far beyond what Steam does. I won't be buying ME3, but I probably wouldn't have anyway. I just hope this trend ends before DA3 comes out.

Google is your friend - "Isolation program" - Origin will not search files you wont let it search.

I do have a question, if i may, why be on the forum, and commentate about me3 being on origin, if you wasnt going to buy it ?

Remember, the behavior of Bioware's representatives on these forums, repeatedly locking threads for the discussion of sandboxing and then citing "discussion of bypassing copy protection", has made it clear that EA is going to regard and treat any effort to block Origin from accessing/scanning the rest of your computer as an "attempt to circumvent copy protection".

[Killjoy Cutter]

double02 wrote...

I praise the 360. Although the EA/pass crap is rather displeasing too.

Buying console copies still rewards EA with the only thing they care about, money.

[Killjoy Cutter]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

My issue with Origin is that it scans and sends back to EA the name of every file on my computer. I really don't care what they do with it; I just care that it is done to begin with. This is far beyond what Steam does. I won't be buying ME3, but I probably wouldn't have anyway. I just hope this trend ends before DA3 comes out.

It doesn't look every file. It mostly looks on files related to Origin itself.

Past tests indicate otherwise, and the EULA/ToS gives them blanket premission to change what Origin scans without notice or recourse.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Luvinn wrote...

What really pisses me off is this whole trying to make games into social media. What happened to the days where i could just play a single player mode of a game and have no hoops to jump through. Just leave me the hell alone, i don't want to have facebook on my single player games. Now we have Steam, battle.net, now spyware - i mean Origin. Where does it end?

tl;dr - Leave me the hell alone with all this unnecessary BS when i want to play a single player game.

Agreed. 

Not all of us are gaming as a social activity.  Leave us something that isn't an attempt at combining a chatroom and a game, for cripe's sake.