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[Moondoggie]

Yuoaman wrote...


No, we hate them because they won't play nice with other companies and feel like forcing their will onto the consumers.

And Valve has a long history of not playing nice with other companies. The success of Steam seems to make them think they can play god with developers control to manage their own material. EA wouldn't have that so they pulled out since Valve refused to agree to EA;s terms for control of their own material.

Modifié par Moondoggie, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:32 .

[Wolf]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Then lets settle it here and now: 

Is EA's Origins currently spyware right now?

Yes.

Even after I shown you evidence it ain't?

Your evidence only shows that at present, Origin has been restricted to something less onerous in its behavior. 

Origin was very invasive in the past, and EA reserves the right to make it very invasive in the future. 

A bottle of poison that's currently not being used to kill anyone is still a bottle of poison.

Being invasive in the future if the situation calls for it. It is the base principle of DRM. Can you really blame them for trying to protect their property? The fact that you assume they WILL only reveals paranoia and misplaced fear.

It was proven that Origin would scan your hard-drive, but this is no different from Steam. If this were a serious matter the proper authorities would act. I believe such a thing is stipulated in the American Constitution, and even if it were not, EA would still face a giant mass of lawsuits regarding invasion of privacy. If this were that big of an issue EA would be ruined if this were to ever go to court.

[Mister Mida]

themastakillah wrote...

the console guys don't give a f about us

I'm gonna be honest with you: I'm not gonna cancel my copy for ME3 on my 360, because I've played the whole thing on the 360. That doesn't mean I'm not supportive of the gamers who game only on PC. In fact, I also play on PC, or I wouldn't be able to play TW2. And I've passed on Skyrim and LotR: War in the North because when I wanted to buy it on PC, I found out I had to use Steam. I'll do the same thing when it comes to games that require Origin.

[CroGamer002]

Yuoaman wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I don't mind when Steam does it because Valve has earned my trust over the years, while EA just went out and destroyed any trust when they revamped their Download service into Origin.

So you don't mind Steam being a spyware, just because you trust Valve?

The fact that Valve has never done anything with these scans that could harm their customers, and that they don't have anything in their freaking EULA that says they can change the way the program deals with the data whenever they feel like.

Already posted in this previous page, but EULA is a joke.

And how did Origin scans harmed their costumers?

Modifié par Mesina2, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:35 .

[DanaScu]

Moondoggie wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...


I don't mind when Steam does it because Valve has earned my trust over the years, while EA just went out and destroyed any trust when they revamped their Download service into Origin.

So you don't mind Valve doing the same thing but when Origin does it then it's bad?

EA has a right to make their own gaming platform and compete with Valve if they want to. Valve should not have a monopoly. As much as fanboys like you who lack simple logic would prefer they have a monopoly on the downloads market.

There is a screenshot of both steam and origin, running for the same amount of time, and the amount of information sent by both programs. The poster had opted out of data collection for steam. Quite a bit of difference between them.

[Incognito JC]

Mesina2 wrote...

And again, EULA is a joke.

:lol:

It's so true that many people just skips through EULAs without reading them.

[slimgrin]

The Harley Dude wrote...

I like the partition idea. Has anyone seen tests of a game running in a VM? VMWare player is free and has quite a bit of hardware support passed through. I use it for Linux and you hardly notice the difference from a normal install.

I'll be looking into this. I've never done it before but it sounds like a good idea.

[Pixieking]

Moondoggie wrote...

Emoking wrote...



See my sig for why I hate EA.

So you hate them because they want to cut out the middle man and sell their own stuff? They want to run their own business and make money how terrible. >.>

I hate them because they don't sell DLC for ME/DA anywhere but their own shop. This is anti-competitive, anti-consumer, and it means they can charge whatever they want for DLC and we'd have no recourse to buying someplace cheaper. Because there is no-where else that sells, for example, the Legacy DLC.

[Finwik]

Mesina2 must work for EA or something, lol

[CroGamer002]

Incognito JC wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

And again, EULA is a joke.

:lol:

It's so true that many people just skips through EULAs without reading them.

Some news for you, ALMOST EVERYONE DOESN'T READ EULA!!!

[Dragoonlordz]

Yuoaman wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I don't mind when Steam does it because Valve has earned my trust over the years, while EA just went out and destroyed any trust when they revamped their Download service into Origin.

So you don't mind Steam being a spyware, just because you trust Valve?

The fact that Valve has never done anything with these scans that could harm their customers, and that they don't have anything in their freaking EULA that says they can change the way the program deals with the data whenever they feel like.

Collection and Use of Information 
By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Valve shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.

"Aggregate information" is information that describes the habits, usage patterns, and demographics of users as a group but does not describe or reveal the identity of any particular user. 

I have already proved that Steam sends as much information from your computer as Origin even if you do not Opt In to their data collection. Opt In to their surveys is additional information being sent on top of the amount just mentioned.

12. AMENDMENTS TO THIS AGREEMENT
Valve may amend this Agreement at any time in its sole discretion.

Just like the Origin EULA does.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:38 .

[wolfsite]

Incognito JC wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

I have seen Origin and Steam scan registries but they seemed to stay within the confines of there own programs.  So they only scanned Origin/Steam related registries.

I'll hav eto double check then later.

If you can check if they scan non-Steam/Origin related registries or not, please report back in here. Thanks. Scanning files is one thing, but I have no idea how to monitor registries.

I did scans on Origin,  Only Registries it checked outside of Origin was the Date & Time and sounds drivers.  However the interesting thing is Windows Explorer and two other Microsoft programs was right behind it doing the same thing and then some.


I then scanned Steam with it and well......... see for yourself



Also I would like to note that I have no directory on my hard drive labelled C:\\$Directory

and further down it scanned my entire registry.  I was quite shocked when I saw this.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Emoking wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

Emoking wrote...



See my sig for why I hate EA.

So you hate them because they want to cut out the middle man and sell their own stuff? They want to run their own business and make money how terrible. >.>

I hate them because they don't sell DLC for ME/DA anywhere but their own shop. This is anti-competitive, anti-consumer, and it means they can charge whatever they want for DLC and we'd have no recourse to buying someplace cheaper. Because there is no-where else that sells, for example, the Legacy DLC.

You can buy DLC right here on bioware website. then you simply download the stuff and install it. No third party apps necessary.  (If I got you right.)

[Butane9000]

Saying Origin isn't spyware is wrong. It scans your computer meaning all hardware and software installed. Even if you say it doesn't Electronic Arts vague terms of service gives them the ability to abuse it at any time and screw us the customer. I can't believe you would bow to EA and force us to use Origin. If you were going to do that to your games you should have done the same with The Old Republic, but oh wait I am sure it would have killed it's launch numbers due to the great many people who hate and dislike Origin for being an incomplete and bad system.

I remember one EA representative saying that 4 million people are using Origin and he was so proud. But what he didn't say is he is forcing us to use Origin to play the games we purchased. If they want to boast, make Origin optional. I ask Bioware to take a stand against EA and do not force PC users who want to enjoy Mass Effect 3 in their personal way from being forced to use something they may not want.

As Gabe Newell said in an interview, if an action taken by a company has a chance to negatively impact even a small number of your customers it shouldn't be taken. And I believe that this is a situation fitting for it.

[Browncoat1984]

To those who are like "oh, so you don't mind Steam doing the same stuff but when its EA and Origin its okay?"

First off, for me personally the difference between Steam is I've had a consistently quality experience with it. With Origin, I installed it for Battlefield 3 and since then I've had a terrible experience with it. It only just now started to correctly remember my password, until now every time I logged in it somehow forgot my password, and I know I was putting it in right. Who wants to change their password EVERY time they wanna play a game?

Not to mention that the interface is generally clunky and it takes up a LOT of memory. I have both Origin and Steam running. Origin takes up 78,844l at least!!!!!!! Steam only takes up roughly 28,600k of system memory. And you wonder why I want games on Origin instead of Steam?

and then there's the fact that ORIGIN IS STILL IN BETA!!!!! Why is EA requiring us to use BETA software with their products?!?! Was Steam in beta when Valve released it with Half Life 2? I don't remember it being labeled as beta software. Steam may have been clunky at first but at least Valve didn't shove beta software down our throats, and Valve earned our trust over the years with Steam. Why should I buy a game and then the software I have to install still be beta. It should be final version (or rather solid enough that EA wouldn't have to call it a beta anymore). I don't want to pay to be a beta tester of poor software!

[Pixieking]

Moondoggie wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...


No, we hate them because they won't play nice with other companies and feel like forcing their will onto the consumers.

And Valve has a long history of not playing nice with other companies.

Source?

[PnXMarcin1PL]

wolfsite wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

I have seen Origin and Steam scan registries but they seemed to stay within the confines of there own programs.  So they only scanned Origin/Steam related registries.

I'll hav eto double check then later.

If you can check if they scan non-Steam/Origin related registries or not, please report back in here. Thanks. Scanning files is one thing, but I have no idea how to monitor registries.

I did scans on Origin,  Only Registries it checked outside of Origin was the Date & Time and sounds drivers.  However the interesting thing is Windows Explorer and two other Microsoft programs was right behind it doing the same thing and then some.


I then scanned Steam with it and well......... see for yourself



Also I would like to note that I have no directory on my hard drive labelled C:$Directory

and further down it scanned my entire registry.  I was quite shocked when I saw this.

Finally some proof to my claims that Steam also scans computer and sends it to Steam team.

[Chavez_Dice]

Moondoggie wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...


No, we hate them because they won't play nice with other companies and feel like forcing their will onto the consumers.

And Valve has a long history of not playing nice with other companies. The success of Steam seems to make them think they can play god with developers control to manage their own material. EA wouldn't have that so they pulled out since Valve refused to agree to EA;s terms for control of their own material.

With legitimate reasons.

Valve wanted control over DLCs, which sounds intrusive, but is actually understandable. The way things were, developers could submit their game and have it on sale for €3,- and sell €15,- DLCs on their own website without having to hand over 30%. That's not fair either, and I've been told this was the reason for Valve to send boundaries.

Also:

Modifié par Chavez_Dice, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:39 .

[CroGamer002]

Finwik wrote...

Mesina2 must work for EA or something, lol

Damn it, I'm discovered!

BUT THIS IS NOT THE END OF EA EMPIRE!!!

Heil Riccitiello!!!

[Moondoggie]

Emoking wrote...

I hate them because they don't sell DLC for ME/DA anywhere but their own shop. This is anti-competitive, anti-consumer, and it means they can charge whatever they want for DLC and we'd have no recourse to buying someplace cheaper. Because there is no-where else that sells, for example, the Legacy DLC.

So if you made something yourself say you draw artwork and you sell it online at a price that lets you create more art while making a profit from each photo thus benefiting from your own hard work.

If your customers demanded you allow other shops to sell your work at a price they wanted without consulting you first taking customers away from buying from you would you do it?

You are within your rights to do what you want with your own material. So are EA.

[Mister Mida]

wolfsite wrote...

I did scans on Origin,  Only Registries it checked outside of Origin was the Date & Time and sounds drivers.  However the interesting thing is Windows Explorer and two other Microsoft programs was right behind it doing the same thing and then some.


I then scanned Steam with it and well......... see for yourself



Also I would like to note that I have no directory on my hard drive labelled C:$Directory

and further down it scanned my entire registry.  I was quite shocked when I saw this.

I think $Directory is a hidden folder. You need to make it visible manually.

[ttchip]

good lord. it was pretty much the same situation with HL2, back in the day.

[Incognito JC]

Mesina2 wrote...

Some news for you, ALMOST EVERYONE DOESN'T READ EULA!!!

Can you fully blame them though? Almost EVERYTHING has EULA, and all EULA are long as hell. It's understandable that one would rather not waste 15-30 minutes reading through a wall of text.

..Which is also how EULA can be used to trap unsuspecting consumers. Most people just assume the corporation is trustworthy enough to not claim their soul (literally in this case) in EULA.

[Moondoggie]

Mesina2 wrote...

Finwik wrote...

Mesina2 must work for EA or something, lol

Damn it, I'm discovered!

BUT THIS IS NOT THE END OF EA EMPIRE!!!

Heil Riccitiello!!!

LOL. That made me spill my drink all over.

[Yuoaman]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

Emoking wrote...



See my sig for why I hate EA.

So you hate them because they want to cut out the middle man and sell their own stuff? They want to run their own business and make money how terrible. >.>

I hate them because they don't sell DLC for ME/DA anywhere but their own shop. This is anti-competitive, anti-consumer, and it means they can charge whatever they want for DLC and we'd have no recourse to buying someplace cheaper. Because there is no-where else that sells, for example, the Legacy DLC.

You can buy DLC right here on bioware website. then you simply download the stuff and install it. No third party apps necessary.  (If I got you right.)

But you have to pay with proprietary 'currency' and the prices never change.

Talk about having a monopoly.