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[Unbannable]

All of this hate against Origin is really just the result of pure ignorance.

Origin isn't even a DRM solution, unline Steam. You can play a game without the service running at all. It's just a digital distribution, communication and multiplayer platform.

With that said, I can't fathom how people can talk so much **** about Origin, yet give Steam a complete pass.....unless they enjoy swinging from Gabe Newell's ******.

Yeah, Steam is great no doubt, but I don't love it so much that I would never use anything else. I'm all for competition, and EA is perhaps the only company with enough clout to challenge Steam's domination of the digital distribution service

[Pixieking]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

Emoking wrote...



See my sig for why I hate EA.

So you hate them because they want to cut out the middle man and sell their own stuff? They want to run their own business and make money how terrible. >.>

I hate them because they don't sell DLC for ME/DA anywhere but their own shop. This is anti-competitive, anti-consumer, and it means they can charge whatever they want for DLC and we'd have no recourse to buying someplace cheaper. Because there is no-where else that sells, for example, the Legacy DLC.

You can buy DLC right here on bioware website. then you simply download the stuff and install it. No third party apps necessary.  (If I got you right.)

Missing point, I think.

There's nowhere else to buy it. This means, financially, EA have a monopoly on selling it. This is anti-consumer, since they can charge whatever they like, and you're forced to either buy it, or go without.

Compare to, say, Shogun 2 DLC (Shogun 2 being a Steamworks game), where there's at least 6 places that sell it.. I don't disagree that EA have the right to do it, but it goes against the customer, since there's no competition, and no reason for EA to sell it cheap.

[Mister Mida]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

*image snip*

My eyes!

[Pixieking]

Unbannable wrote...

All of this hate against Origin is really just the result of pure ignorance.

Origin isn't even a DRM solution, unline Steam. You can play a game without the service running at all.

Battlefield 3 requires Origin to be running.

Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:41 .

[wolfsite]

Mister Mida wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

I did scans on Origin,  Only Registries it checked outside of Origin was the Date & Time and sounds drivers.  However the interesting thing is Windows Explorer and two other Microsoft programs was right behind it doing the same thing and then some.


I then scanned Steam with it and well......... see for yourself



Also I would like to note that I have no directory on my hard drive labelled C:$Directory

and further down it scanned my entire registry.  I was quite shocked when I saw this.

I think $Directory is a hidden folder. You need to make it visible manually.

Yep I'm set up to view hidden, this directory doesn't show up.


I would post more images but a lot of it has folders and files containing my real name.

[Kiku_vas_Normandy]

I thinks that there is enough ways to isolate Origin to really be worried, plus, if one really think about the issue of the "data mining" one should be scared of use anything (google sees everything )

[ttchip]

Moondoggie wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Finwik wrote...

Mesina2 must work for EA or something, lol

Damn it, I'm discovered!

BUT THIS IS NOT THE END OF EA EMPIRE!!!

Heil Riccitiello!!!

LOL. That made me spill my drink all over.

i get it: non-german saying "Heil X" is funny, germans making fun of that is evil! ^.^

[Incognito JC]

wolfsite wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

I have seen Origin and Steam scan registries but they seemed to stay within the confines of there own programs.  So they only scanned Origin/Steam related registries.

I'll hav eto double check then later.

If you can check if they scan non-Steam/Origin related registries or not, please report back in here. Thanks. Scanning files is one thing, but I have no idea how to monitor registries.

I did scans on Origin,  Only Registries it checked outside of Origin was the Date & Time and sounds drivers.  However the interesting thing is Windows Explorer and two other Microsoft programs was right behind it doing the same thing and then some.


I then scanned Steam with it and well......... see for yourself



Also I would like to note that I have no directory on my hard drive labelled C:$Directory

and further down it scanned my entire registry.  I was quite shocked when I saw this.

Damn, just saw this. Did you opt in/allow Steam to do this scan?

[Weskerr]

Mesina2 wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

And again, EULA is a joke.

:lol:

It's so true that many people just skips through EULAs without reading them.

Some news for you, ALMOST EVERYONE DOESN'T READ EULA!!!

But if an April Fool’s Day
joke plays by British retailer GameStation is anything to go by, maybe
you should read the fine print more carefully: over 7,500 unsuspecting
customers signed their souls away to GameStation by refusing to untick a
box in their update EULA.

The exact wording of the soul clause in GameStation’s terms and conditions read:

By placing an order via this Web site on the first day of
the fourth month of the year 2010 Anno Domini, you agree to grant Us a
non transferable option to claim, for now and for ever more, your
immortal soul. Should We wish to exercise this option, you agree to
surrender your immortal soul, and any claim you may have on it, within 5
(five) working days of receiving written notification from
gamesation.co.uk or one of its duly authorised minions. We reserve the
right to serve such notice in 6 (six) foot high letters of fire, however
we can accept no liability for any loss or damage caused by such an
act.
If you a) do not believe you have an immortal soul, have already
given it to another party, or c) do not wish to grant Us such a license,
please click the link below to nullify this sub-clause and proceed with
your transaction.

I thought some people might not click the link :innocent:

[wolfsite]

Incognito JC wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

I have seen Origin and Steam scan registries but they seemed to stay within the confines of there own programs.  So they only scanned Origin/Steam related registries.

I'll hav eto double check then later.

If you can check if they scan non-Steam/Origin related registries or not, please report back in here. Thanks. Scanning files is one thing, but I have no idea how to monitor registries.

I did scans on Origin,  Only Registries it checked outside of Origin was the Date & Time and sounds drivers.  However the interesting thing is Windows Explorer and two other Microsoft programs was right behind it doing the same thing and then some.


I then scanned Steam with it and well......... see for yourself



Also I would like to note that I have no directory on my hard drive labelled C:$Directory

and further down it scanned my entire registry.  I was quite shocked when I saw this.

Damn, just saw this. Did you opt in/allow Steam to do this scan?

No I didn't, I was never even informed that I was being scanned.

[slimgrin]

Browncoat1984 wrote...

To those who are like "oh, so you don't mind Steam doing the same stuff but when its EA and Origin its okay?"

First off, for me personally the difference between Steam is I've had a consistently quality experience with it. With Origin, I installed it for Battlefield 3 and since then I've had a terrible experience with it. It only just now started to correctly remember my password, until now every time I logged in it somehow forgot my password, and I know I was putting it in right. Who wants to change their password EVERY time they wanna play a game?

Not to mention that the interface is generally clunky and it takes up a LOT of memory. I have both Origin and Steam running. Origin takes up 78,844l at least!!!!!!! Steam only takes up roughly 28,600k of system memory. And you wonder why I want games on Origin instead of Steam?

and then there's the fact that ORIGIN IS STILL IN BETA!!!!! Why is EA requiring us to use BETA software with their products?!?! Was Steam in beta when Valve released it with Half Life 2? I don't remember it being labeled as beta software. Steam may have been clunky at first but at least Valve didn't shove beta software down our throats, and Valve earned our trust over the years with Steam. Why should I buy a game and then the software I have to install still be beta. It should be final version (or rather solid enough that EA wouldn't have to call it a beta anymore). I don't want to pay to be a beta tester of poor software!

It's like comparing Steam with GFWL. I don't like either of them, but GFWL is way worse. Origin will never catch up to Steam.

[CroGamer002]

ttchip wrote...

i get it: non-german saying "Heil X" is funny, germans making fun of that is evil! ^.^

Maybe in eyes of German and Israeli governments, but otherwise no.

[Yuoaman]

Moondoggie wrote...

Emoking wrote...

I hate them because they don't sell DLC for ME/DA anywhere but their own shop. This is anti-competitive, anti-consumer, and it means they can charge whatever they want for DLC and we'd have no recourse to buying someplace cheaper. Because there is no-where else that sells, for example, the Legacy DLC.

So if you made something yourself say you draw artwork and you sell it online at a price that lets you create more art while making a profit from each photo thus benefiting from your own hard work.

If your customers demanded you allow other shops to sell your work at a price they wanted without consulting you first taking customers away from buying from you would you do it?

You are within your rights to do what you want with your own material. So are EA.

Except they're already selling at several other retailers and DD services that take a cut, they just won't sell on Steam because none of the other retailers have any problem with them forcing consumers to buy DLC from EA only instead of from them.

[JosephCurwen]

Unbannable wrote...

All of this hate against Origin is really just the result of pure ignorance.
...You can play a game without the service running at all.

The sheer irony of these two sentences occuring in the same post just makes my head spin.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

wolfsite wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

I have seen Origin and Steam scan registries but they seemed to stay within the confines of there own programs.  So they only scanned Origin/Steam related registries.

I'll hav eto double check then later.

If you can check if they scan non-Steam/Origin related registries or not, please report back in here. Thanks. Scanning files is one thing, but I have no idea how to monitor registries.

I did scans on Origin,  Only Registries it checked outside of Origin was the Date & Time and sounds drivers.  However the interesting thing is Windows Explorer and two other Microsoft programs was right behind it doing the same thing and then some.


I then scanned Steam with it and well......... see for yourself



Also I would like to note that I have no directory on my hard drive labelled C:$Directory

and further down it scanned my entire registry.  I was quite shocked when I saw this.

Well this proves EA is in fact telling the truth , Windows not origin is the one that is scanning things.

[Pixieking]

Yuoaman wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

Emoking wrote...

I hate them because they don't sell DLC for ME/DA anywhere but their own shop. This is anti-competitive, anti-consumer, and it means they can charge whatever they want for DLC and we'd have no recourse to buying someplace cheaper. Because there is no-where else that sells, for example, the Legacy DLC.

So if you made something yourself say you draw artwork and you sell it online at a price that lets you create more art while making a profit from each photo thus benefiting from your own hard work.

If your customers demanded you allow other shops to sell your work at a price they wanted without consulting you first taking customers away from buying from you would you do it?

You are within your rights to do what you want with your own material. So are EA.

Except they're already selling at several other retailers and DD services that take a cut, they just won't sell on Steam because none of the other retailers have any problem with them forcing consumers to buy DLC from EA only instead of from them.

Exactly.

Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:45 .

[wolfsite]

JosephCurwen wrote...

Unbannable wrote...

All of this hate against Origin is really just the result of pure ignorance.
...You can play a game without the service running at all.

The sheer irony of these two sentences occuring in the same post just makes my head spin.

Well not completely, there are some games were it is required and some were it is optional.

[Fredvdp]

Emoking wrote...

Unbannable wrote...

All of this hate against Origin is really just the result of pure ignorance.

Origin isn't even a DRM solution, unline Steam. You can play a game without the service running at all.

Battlefield 3 requires Origin to be running.

BF3 is mainly a multiplayer game so that's understandable. I downloaded a couple of games from Origin, like Dragon Age. You download, install and from then on you can run them from the executable. Origin doesn't have to run.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:46 .

[Finwik]

I don't care that they don't want to sell through Steam, that is business. Tv Channels don't let their shows be shown on channels they're competing against. But I do have a problem with having to run Origin. The only solution is to not buy the game until you can get it without the bloatware.

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Aliens Crew wrote...

There is one way, to get rid of origin:

DON'T BUY ME 3! NOT ON PC AND NOT ON ANY CONSOLE!

Stand together and loyal to each other. Nethertheless Console or Pc. If we stand together against Origin we will win. Isn't this the old american dream. So, dont' dream it, live it!

[Incognito JC]

wolfsite wrote...

No I didn't, I was never even informed that I was being scanned.

This.. is really quite shocking. Thank god I run Skyrim without Steam. Skyrim's update forces it to boot Steam in order to play it. I really wonder how they pick what they scan, and what to do with those data though.

[Unbannable]

Emoking wrote...

Battlefield 3 requires Origin to be running.

And I wonder why?  Could it be because BF3 is a multiplayer game?

[Pixieking]

JosephCurwen wrote...

Unbannable wrote...

All of this hate against Origin is really just the result of pure ignorance.
...You can play a game without the service running at all.

The sheer irony of these two sentences occuring in the same post just makes my head spin.

Yeah, I didn't want to say anything.

[Yuoaman]

Emoking wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

Emoking wrote...

I hate them because they don't sell DLC for ME/DA anywhere but their own shop. This is anti-competitive, anti-consumer, and it means they can charge whatever they want for DLC and we'd have no recourse to buying someplace cheaper. Because there is no-where else that sells, for example, the Legacy DLC.

So if you made something yourself say you draw artwork and you sell it online at a price that lets you create more art while making a profit from each photo thus benefiting from your own hard work.

If your customers demanded you allow other shops to sell your work at a price they wanted without consulting you first taking customers away from buying from you would you do it?

You are within your rights to do what you want with your own material. So are EA.

Except they're already selling at several other retailers and DD services that take a cut, they just won't sell on Steam because none of the other retailers have any problem with them forcing consumers to buy DLC from EA only instead of from them.

Exactly.

Who? Me?

I was just saying that EA is the only one who sells the DLC.

[Pixieking]

Unbannable wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Battlefield 3 requires Origin to be running.

And I wonder why?  Could it be because BF3 is a multiplayer game?

Nope. Required for Single Player Campaign too.

[Kiku_vas_Normandy]

People, I propose something, simple, crazy maybe... Why not simply enjoy this wonderful universe and create a saga capable of travel trough generations like Star Trek o Star Wars?