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[Dragoonlordz]

Fredvdp wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is semi-right in that I can play ME2 without loading Origin as one example. Only new games I think will require it. Just like how my copy of Skyrim requires Steam even though Morrowind might not.

But what if you buy a game through the service? If you buy a game through Steam, is it possible to run the game without launching Steam? Origin let's you do that. Haven't tried it for Steam.

Skyrim is the only title that I so far have bought which came as Steam included and can't play without logging into Steam (even if use offline mode still has to be running), I did buy DE:HR and linked it to Steam but that does not require running Steam to play (I think as haven't tried). ME2 doesn't require Origin to be running but ME3 might just like SKyrim with steam. I don't think can link old non EA games to Origin but I could be wrong and might very well be. I will see if possible later but I am sure will be same as Steam in that if bought elsewhere and not made by EA then won't need to run Origin on those. 

There is very little difference between Steam and Origin as it stands "right now" as opposed to the old version of the Origin client and old version of the EULA. Now both Steams EULA and Origins is pretty much the same. After running tests, Steam sends more information from my computer than Origin (even though I did not opt in to sending the data and this does not include Steams additional survey data gathering).  

I haven't actually bought a game "direct" through Steam though so I cannot answer that question maybe someone else who has could regardless of if in offline mode or online mode but having to have Steam running in the background to play any games bought through Steam.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:58 .

[Moondoggie]

Mister Mida wrote...

MysterD wrote...

Good luck w/ that one.
Many games theses days have some sort of client attached to it - G4WL, Steam, or Origin.
[shrug]

As far as I know, GfWL is not something you need to download seperately. It's integrated into the game.

It's a seperate download. I know full well because i spent an hour trying to get it to install and update because it's servers spazzed out so i could install and play Bioshock 2.

[slimgrin]

MysterD wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Unbannable wrote...

All of this hate against Origin is really just the result of pure ignorance.

Origin isn't even a DRM solution, unline Steam. You can play a game without the service running at all. It's just a digital distribution, communication and multiplayer platform.

With that said, I can't fathom how people can talk so much **** about Origin, yet give Steam a complete pass.....unless they enjoy swinging from Gabe Newell's ******.

Yeah, Steam is great no doubt, but I don't love it so much that I would never use anything else. I'm all for competition, and EA is perhaps the only company with enough clout to challenge Steam's domination of the digital distribution service

I don't want any clients on my PC. At all.

Good luck w/ that one.
Many games theses days have some sort of client attached to it - G4WL, Steam, or Origin.
[shrug]

That's exactly the problem. I just want the game, not some pain in the ass client.

Modifié par slimgrin, 15 janvier 2012 - 09:59 .

[Wolf]

abaris wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

BF3 requires Origin to run, but I thought so far we've only heard confirmation that ME3 requires authentication. I assumed we'll never have to launch Origin after that unless we want to play co-op.

You need it for the multiplayer elements which is hardly surprising.

Makes sense if you have to be online for the multiplayer to work<_<

What Chris Priestly said is it requires a one-time authentification process, and constant conecction IF you are, in fact, playing co-op. That's it. No single-player constant connection required.

[MysterD]

abaris wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

BF3 requires Origin to run, but I thought so far we've only heard confirmation that ME3 requires authentication. I assumed we'll never have to launch Origin after that unless we want to play co-op.

You need it for the multiplayer elements which is hardly surprising.

MysterD wrote...

Good luck w/ that one.
Many games theses days have some sort of client attached to it - G4WL, Steam, or Origin.
[shrug]

So? It's not as if my life depended on playing these games or any games for that matter.

You're the customer.
If you don't want to buy a game b/c something is attached to it that you don't want, go right ahead.

Me, I normally wait for most games to hit some kind of nice price-drop of some kind; especially if some DRM or client is attached to it.
[shrug]

[Fredvdp]

MysterD wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Unbannable wrote...

MysterD wrote...

While most games on Origin don't require Origin to run them...
BF3 and ME3 will require Origin.

Yep, and both of those games offer multiplayer.  Origin is an online communication service as well, so there's nothing wrong there..

BF3 requires Origin to run, but I thought so far we've only heard confirmation that ME3 requires authentication. I assumed we'll never have to launch Origin after that unless we want to play co-op.

To quote Priestly's opening post:

1) Will Origin be a requirement to play all versions of Mass Effect 3? (Digital and/or from a retail brick and mortar store)
Yes, Origin is required for all PC editions of Mass Effect 3, physical or digital.

But he also added the part of online authentication. I thought that means Origin is required to install the game, not to play it. Having to launch Origin every time would indeed suck.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:01 .

[MysterD]

slimgrin wrote...

MysterD wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Unbannable wrote...

All of this hate against Origin is really just the result of pure ignorance.

Origin isn't even a DRM solution, unline Steam. You can play a game without the service running at all. It's just a digital distribution, communication and multiplayer platform.

With that said, I can't fathom how people can talk so much **** about Origin, yet give Steam a complete pass.....unless they enjoy swinging from Gabe Newell's ******.

Yeah, Steam is great no doubt, but I don't love it so much that I would never use anything else. I'm all for competition, and EA is perhaps the only company with enough clout to challenge Steam's domination of the digital distribution service

I don't want any clients on my PC. At all.

Good luck w/ that one.
Many games theses days have some sort of client attached to it - G4WL, Steam, or Origin.
[shrug]

That's exaclty the problem. I just want the game, not some pain in the ass client.

Honestly, I don't blame you one bit.
Me, I'd rather have No DRM or NO client required, either.
But these days, there's often some kind of DRM, client-program, or something attached to many games.

Modifié par MysterD, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:00 .

[wolfsite]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is semi-right in that I can play ME2 without loading Origin as one example. Only new games I think will require it. Just like how my copy of Skyrim requires Steam even though Morrowind might not.

But what if you buy a game through the service? If you buy a game through Steam, is it possible to run the game without launching Steam? Origin let's you do that. Haven't tried it for Steam.

Skyrim is the only title that I so far have bought which came as Steam included and can't play without logging into Steam (even if use offline mode still has to be running), I did buy DE:HR and linked it to Steam but that does not require running Steam to play (I think as haven't tried). ME2 doesn't require Origin to be running but ME3 might just like SKyrim with steam. I don't think can link old non EA games to Origin but I could be wrong and might very well be. I will see if possible later but I am sure will be same as Steam in that if bought elsewhere and not made by EA then won't need to run Origin on those. 

There is very little difference between Steam and Origin as it stands "right now" as opposed to the old version of the Origin client and old version of the EULA. Now both Steams EULA and Origins is pretty much the same. After running tests, Steam sends more information from my computer than Origin (even though I did not opt in to sending the data and this does not include Steams additional survey data gathering).  

I haven't actually bought a game "direct" through Steam though so I cannot answer that question maybe someone else who has could regardless of if in offline mode or online mode but having to have Steam running in the background to play any games bought through Steam.

Just tried running Deus Ex Human Revolution without Steam running, didn't work.  First thing it did was bring up Steam.

Edit:

My copy was a retail copy.

Modifié par wolfsite, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:00 .

[MysterD]

wolfsite wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is semi-right in that I can play ME2 without loading Origin as one example. Only new games I think will require it. Just like how my copy of Skyrim requires Steam even though Morrowind might not.

But what if you buy a game through the service? If you buy a game through Steam, is it possible to run the game without launching Steam? Origin let's you do that. Haven't tried it for Steam.

Skyrim is the only title that I so far have bought which came as Steam included and can't play without logging into Steam (even if use offline mode still has to be running), I did buy DE:HR and linked it to Steam but that does not require running Steam to play (I think as haven't tried). ME2 doesn't require Origin to be running but ME3 might just like SKyrim with steam. I don't think can link old non EA games to Origin but I could be wrong and might very well be. I will see if possible later but I am sure will be same as Steam in that if bought elsewhere and not made by EA then won't need to run Origin on those. 

There is very little difference between Steam and Origin as it stands "right now" as opposed to the old version of the Origin client and old version of the EULA. Now both Steams EULA and Origins is pretty much the same. After running tests, Steam sends more information from my computer than Origin (even though I did not opt in to sending the data and this does not include Steams additional survey data gathering).  

I haven't actually bought a game "direct" through Steam though so I cannot answer that question maybe someone else who has could regardless of if in offline mode or online mode but having to have Steam running in the background to play any games bought through Steam.

Just tried running Deus Ex Human Revolution without Steam running, didn't work.  First thing it did was bring up Steam.

Edit:

My copy was a retail copy.

Deus Ex: HR requires Steam PERIOD.

[Finwik]

Mesina2 wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

Emoking wrote...
There's nowhere else to buy it. This means, financially, EA have a monopoly on selling it. This is anti-consumer, since they can charge whatever they like, and you're forced to either buy it, or go without.

It's their property, they can do with it what they want.

Yeah.

Are we living in Soviet Union or something and hence it's a bad thing?

They are totally in their rights to make their products suck more. Just like it is within our rights to say, "Please stop making your stuff suck. We want to like it but don't want to have to be butt sexed for it."

[Incognito JC]

wolfsite wrote...

Just tried running Deus Ex Human Revolution without Steam running, didn't work.  First thing it did was bring up Steam.

Edit:

My copy was a retail copy.

Most of the latest Steam games does this. Skyrim actually added an update to their exe later on so they can do the same thing.

PS: Did you see my other post? Steam scanning the files you posted are actually reasonable.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Sundance31us wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...
They don't mind when Steam does it because they are Valve fanboys so they'll let Gabe rape them as many times as he wants. EA are just the cool company to hate so when they do what Valve are doing they get all upset. I guess most just cant take the fact that ME3 won't line the pockets of their precious Gabe.

Double standards, gotta love em.

Except of course that many of us won't use Steam either.

Also, this isn't about Steam, it's about Origin and EA.  "But Steam..." is meaningless nonsense.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:03 .

[Grammarye]

Well I was looking forward to seeing how things turned out in ME3, but not with Origin involved. Yes, I will not be buying your game Bioware, due to this single decision, and I had the CE all preordered. Clearly no lessons were learnt from ME2. I was even happy enough to run ME1 from Steam, considering the alternative was to not play it at all. Origin is just nothing like the same service. I have a measure of trust with Steam, which EA has yet to earn with Origin, especially considering their controversial banning stances & lack of customer service.

Thanks but no thanks. PC direct on a DVD that just installs please. If you want to protect your content, do like ME2 and have things linked to a Bioware account.

Modifié par Grammarye, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:07 .

[CroGamer002]

Finwik wrote...

They are totally in their rights to make their products suck more. Just like it is within our rights to say, "Please stop making your stuff suck. We want to like it but don't want to have to be butt sexed for it."

But thing is, rarely anyone says that.

It's always "EA is evil" route.

[wolfsite]

Incognito JC wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Just tried running Deus Ex Human Revolution without Steam running, didn't work.  First thing it did was bring up Steam.

Edit:

My copy was a retail copy.

Most of the latest Steam games does this. Skyrim actually added an update to their exe later on so they can do the same thing.

PS: Did you see my other post? Steam scanning the files you posted are actually reasonable.

Ya I saw that, but the thing is Origin did none of the things you said it did when I ran process Checker.  Steam also started going into my Personal directories, I just didn't show pics of those as they would conatin private information.

[Adugan]

Mesina2 wrote...

Finwik wrote...

They are totally in their rights to make their products suck more. Just like it is within our rights to say, "Please stop making your stuff suck. We want to like it but don't want to have to be butt sexed for it."

But thing is, rarely anyone says that.

It's always "EA is evil" route.

Who WANTS to make their products suck though? That leads to less sales and less money for shareholders. Its just plain counterproductive. EA is just stupid because they water down the experience to attract more customers, and in the end you get a crappy watery soup with an Origin requirement.

[CroGamer002]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Except of course that many of us won't use Steam either.

Also, this isn't about Steam, it's about Origin and EA.  "But Steam..." is meaningless nonsense.

But if you didn't noticed, most anti-Origin people are Steam users that don't mind what it's doing to them and yet hate for Origin doing same thing.

Again, just pointing hypocrisy of majority people about this issue.

[shepskisaac]

Mesina2 wrote...

It's always "EA is evil" route.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Arts#Criticism

It didn't exactly came from nowhere.

[Sundance31us]

wolfsite wrote...
Just tried running Deus Ex Human Revolution without Steam running, didn't work.  First thing it did was bring up Steam.

Edit:

My copy was a retail copy.

The same thing happens when I try to run Fallout NV.

[Incognito JC]

wolfsite wrote...

Ya I saw that, but the thing is Origin did none of the things you said it did when I ran process Checker.  Steam also started going into my Personal directories, I just didn't show pics of those as they would conatin private information.

Origin was quickly fixed to not do that now. Page 2 of this thread has screenshots of it scanning personal files. Main issue I have with it is, it did that before, who is to say it won't do it again in the future?

As for Steam going into personal files, maybe you could see if they can be explained? Might be product related or something..

[Hedera]

Incognito JC wrote...

Most of the latest Steam games does this. Skyrim actually added an update to their exe later on so they can do the same thing.

PS: Did you see my other post? Steam scanning the files you posted are actually reasonable.

To name a few: Skyrim, New Vegas, Modern Warfare 2/3, Deus Ex HR, Saints Row the Third, Arkham City (Steam Version), and anything Valve makes.  Valve offers Steamworks integration as a feature to developers, but lately has kind of demanded it, thus the 'no EA games on Steam' thing.  EA doesn't want Steam handling their DLC and patches.
Oddly, nobody freaks out about Valve doing the same exact thing EA is doing.  I'm attributing that to Valve having built a reputation of not being satan personified, though.

Side note: EA isn't satan personified.  Although many seem to think it is.

Modifié par cgrimm54, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:09 .

[abaris]

Adugan wrote...

Who WANTS to make their products suck though? That leads to less sales and less money for shareholders. Its just plain counterproductive. EA is just stupid because they water down the experience to attract more customers, and in the end you get a crappy watery soup with an Origin requirement.

Because we are the minority - I'm totally aware of that.

There are enough customers selling away their grandma if it gets them some product. Just look at all the social networking sites and the embarassing pictures posted there. People find nothing in dropping their pants in public and so clients scanning their hard drive are just another groovy gimmick.

The corporatio0ns wouldn't do it, if the public wouldn't eagerly gobble their droppings.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Unbannable wrote...

All of this hate against Origin is really just the result of pure ignorance.

Origin isn't even a DRM solution, unline Steam. You can play a game without the service running at all. It's just a digital distribution, communication and multiplayer platform.

With that said, I can't fathom how people can talk so much **** about Origin, yet give Steam a complete pass.....unless they enjoy swinging from Gabe Newell's ******.

Yeah, Steam is great no doubt, but I don't love it so much that I would never use anything else. I'm all for competition, and EA is perhaps the only company with enough clout to challenge Steam's domination of the digital distribution service

I don't use Steam.  I don't give Steam a pass.

Educate yourself about Origin before you post about what it is and what it isn't. 

It datamines your PC, and on some games you cannot play the game without logging in through the Origin software, either one-team, or whenever you're playing. 

[wolfsite]

Incognito JC wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Ya I saw that, but the thing is Origin did none of the things you said it did when I ran process Checker.  Steam also started going into my Personal directories, I just didn't show pics of those as they would conatin private information.

Origin was quickly fixed to not do that now. Page 2 of this thread has screenshots of it scanning personal files. Main issue I have with it is, it did that before, who is to say it won't do it again in the future?

As for Steam going into personal files, maybe you could see if they can be explained? Might be product related or something..

I know I'm one of the people that posted those images. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Except of course that many of us won't use Steam either.

Also, this isn't about Steam, it's about Origin and EA.  "But Steam..." is meaningless nonsense.
 

But if you didn't noticed, most anti-Origin people are Steam users that don't mind what it's doing to them and yet hate for Origin doing same thing.

Again, just pointing hypocrisy of majority people about this issue.

Many of us are not Steam users.  Stop painting with a broad brush.