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[Relix28]

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Except of course that many of us won't use Steam either.

Also, this isn't about Steam, it's about Origin and EA.  "But Steam..." is meaningless nonsense.

But if you didn't noticed, most anti-Origin people are Steam users that don't mind what it's doing to them and yet hate for Origin doing same thing.

Again, just pointing hypocrisy of majority people about this issue.

AFAIK, Steam asks for your permission to data mine certain things. Origin doesn't. 
That's hardly the same thing.

[Sundance31us]

IsaacShep wrote...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Arts#Criticism

It didn't exactly came from nowhere.

I have yet to find a perfect person or company.

[Ryzaki]

Wait...Skyrim's update forces Steam to always be running?

And now I'm very happy I tend to stay away from Bethesda patches unless my game is completely broken.

Those patches tend to break more than they fix anyway.

[photographerleia]

MysterD wrote...

wolfsite wrote...


Just tried running Deus Ex Human Revolution without Steam running, didn't work.  First thing it did was bring up Steam.

Edit:

My copy was a retail copy.

Deus Ex: HR requires Steam PERIOD.

Just like ME3 will require Origin PERIOD.  

Speaking of which, I hate that I had to miss out on DX:HR b/c of Steam requirements.

[Fredvdp]

Relix28 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Except of course that many of us won't use Steam either.

Also, this isn't about Steam, it's about Origin and EA.  "But Steam..." is meaningless nonsense.

But if you didn't noticed, most anti-Origin people are Steam users that don't mind what it's doing to them and yet hate for Origin doing same thing.

Again, just pointing hypocrisy of majority people about this issue.

AFAIK, Steam asks for your permission to data mine certain things. Origin doesn't. 
That's hardly the same thing.

From what I've read here it seems Steam scans as much data when not given permission as Origin. They probably don't spread it around though.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:12 .

[CroGamer002]

IsaacShep wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

It's always "EA is evil" route.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Arts#Criticism

It didn't exactly came from nowhere.

That's still not justification for ignoring updated Origin that does same thing as Steam and yet have no problem with Steam.


Again, be OK with Steam, but not with Origin.

So if you are against both Steam and Origin, ignore this post.

[Adugan]

 Oh sh**.

Source: Wiki

EA was once criticized for the acquisition of 19.9 percent of shares of its competitor Ubisoft, a move that many felt would lead to a hostile takeover but has not yet materialized. However, Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot later indicated that a merger with EA was a possibility. "The first option for us is to manage our own company and grow it. The second option is to work with the movie industry, and the third is to merge," he said. However in July 2010, EA elected to sell its reduced 15 percent share in Ubisoft That share equated to roughly €94 million (US$122 million).

Imagine if the merger happened.

[photographerleia]

Sundance31us wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Arts#Criticism

It didn't exactly came from nowhere.

I have yet to find a perfect person or company.

CDP/GOG are pretty freakin' close.

[shepskisaac]

Sundance31us wrote...
I have yet to find a perfect person or company.

No one's talking perfect. We're talking the publisher that has one of the very worst reputations of all of them.

[CroGamer002]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Except of course that many of us won't use Steam either.

Also, this isn't about Steam, it's about Origin and EA.  "But Steam..." is meaningless nonsense.
 

But if you didn't noticed, most anti-Origin people are Steam users that don't mind what it's doing to them and yet hate for Origin doing same thing.

Again, just pointing hypocrisy of majority people about this issue.

Many of us are not Steam users.  Stop painting with a broad brush. 

Key word "majority".

[wolfsite]

Fredvdp wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Except of course that many of us won't use Steam either.

Also, this isn't about Steam, it's about Origin and EA.  "But Steam..." is meaningless nonsense.

But if you didn't noticed, most anti-Origin people are Steam users that don't mind what it's doing to them and yet hate for Origin doing same thing.

Again, just pointing hypocrisy of majority people about this issue.

AFAIK, Steam asks for your permission to data mine certain things. Origin doesn't. 
That's hardly the same thing.

From what I've read here it seems Steam scans as much data when not given permission as Origin. They probably don't spread it around though.

What Steam just did to me a few moments ago it does MORE than what Origin does.

[Incognito JC]

Ryzaki wrote...

Wait...Skyrim's update forces Steam to always be running?

And now I'm very happy I tend to stay away from Bethesda patches unless my game is completely broken.

Those patches tend to break more than they fix anyway.

Yup. It was lucky I read through some forums before updating. Other than that, they broke a couple more things with their update. That's pretty much how the arrow knee joke came about. One of the earlier ones was, "I used to play Skyrim, but then I took a patch to the knee".

[Ryzaki]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Except of course that many of us won't use Steam either.

Also, this isn't about Steam, it's about Origin and EA.  "But Steam..." is meaningless nonsense.
 

But if you didn't noticed, most anti-Origin people are Steam users that don't mind what it's doing to them and yet hate for Origin doing same thing.

Again, just pointing hypocrisy of majority people about this issue.

Many of us are not Steam users.  Stop painting with a broad brush. 

This.

Plus some of us are against Origin because 1 bloatware program for DD is quite enough thanks.

[Fredvdp]

Mesina2 wrote...

That's still not justification for ignoring updated Origin that does same thing as Steam and yet have no problem with Steam.


Again, be OK with Steam, but not with Origin.

So if you are against both Steam and Origin, ignore this post.

I like Steam, I dislike Origin. Data gathering has nothing to do with it, though. Origin is just buggy as hell.

[Dragoonlordz]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Except of course that many of us won't use Steam either.

Also, this isn't about Steam, it's about Origin and EA.  "But Steam..." is meaningless nonsense.

It is relevant in the sense not everyone has the same issues with Origin, some have issues with Origin compared to Steam and some like yourself just have issues regarding any client required to run any game. Pointing out Steam sends more information and broader information than Origin currently if read Wolf's and my own posts on respective aspects (mehow much data it's sending and Wolf what data it's sending) these are all to address the first group of people I mentioned. As for yourself nothing short of no client will make you happy but in reality I do not think you will ever get that, I'm not being mean or anything about that but we both know what EA is like and we both know ME3 will indeed come with Origin. Me and wolf because we know that will happen are atleast pointing out the double standards in a sense between those who favor Steam over Origin for reasons other than preference of which wish to use. For the record I use all three, Origin and Steam and even Ubisofts version.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:14 .

[Ryzaki]

Incognito JC wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Wait...Skyrim's update forces Steam to always be running?

And now I'm very happy I tend to stay away from Bethesda patches unless my game is completely broken.

Those patches tend to break more than they fix anyway.

Yup. It was lucky I read through some forums before updating. Other than that, they broke a couple more things with their update. That's pretty much how the arrow knee joke came about. One of the earlier ones was, "I used to play Skyrim, but then I took a patch to the knee".

[CroGamer002]

Relix28 wrote...

AFAIK, Steam asks for your permission to data mine certain things. Origin doesn't. 
That's hardly the same thing.

Guess what?

Steam STILL scans your PC even with option off.

Only thing that thing does is disabling survey.

That's it.

[Ryzaki]

Adugan wrote...

 Oh sh**.

Source: Wiki

EA was once criticized for the acquisition of 19.9 percent of shares of its competitor Ubisoft, a move that many felt would lead to a hostile takeover but has not yet materialized. However, Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot later indicated that a merger with EA was a possibility. "The first option for us is to manage our own company and grow it. The second option is to work with the movie industry, and the third is to merge," he said. However in July 2010, EA elected to sell its reduced 15 percent share in Ubisoft That share equated to roughly €94 million (US$122 million).

Imagine if the merger happened.

Oh god no.

I'd cry. I am so serious. I would sit down and cry.

[CroGamer002]

photographerleia wrote...

MysterD wrote...

wolfsite wrote...


Just tried running Deus Ex Human Revolution without Steam running, didn't work.  First thing it did was bring up Steam.

Edit:

My copy was a retail copy.

Deus Ex: HR requires Steam PERIOD.

Just like ME3 will require Origin PERIOD.  

Speaking of which, I hate that I had to miss out on DX:HR b/c of Steam requirements.

You mean like Kingdoms of Amalur Reckoning?

Oh right, it won't.

[PlatonicWaffles]

Process Monitor has yielded no such scanning my PC results for me.
I use Steam on a regular basis.
All my personal data is on an external hard drive, so even if either of them scan my PC, all it will find is shortcuts, program data and drivers.

I will use Origin for Mass Effect 3 and Mass Effect 3 only.

Modifié par Dylia, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:19 .

[Sundance31us]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Except of course that many of us won't use Steam either.

Also, this isn't about Steam, it's about Origin and EA.  "But Steam..." is meaningless nonsense.

One of Chris' points was about ME3's availability on Steam, so it is relevant to the discussion.

Chris Priestly wrote...
4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During
initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number
of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time.
Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how
developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other
downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players
with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play
their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that
does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

[Ryzaki]

Mesina2 wrote...

photographerleia wrote...

MysterD wrote...

wolfsite wrote...


Just tried running Deus Ex Human Revolution without Steam running, didn't work.  First thing it did was bring up Steam.

Edit:

My copy was a retail copy.

Deus Ex: HR requires Steam PERIOD.

Just like ME3 will require Origin PERIOD.  

Speaking of which, I hate that I had to miss out on DX:HR b/c of Steam requirements.

You mean like Kingdoms of Amalur Reckoning?

Oh right, it won't.

You mean that game that was made by a company that isn't owned by EA? 

[Dragoonlordz]

photographerleia wrote...

MysterD wrote...

wolfsite wrote...


Just tried running Deus Ex Human Revolution without Steam running, didn't work.  First thing it did was bring up Steam.

Edit:

My copy was a retail copy.

Deus Ex: HR requires Steam PERIOD.

Just like ME3 will require Origin PERIOD.  

Speaking of which, I hate that I had to miss out on DX:HR b/c of Steam requirements.

Didn't you also skip out on Skyrim too for that same reason. I know it is your choice but I do feel bad that you missed out on two of the best games last year. But I assume you did play TW2 at least? Those three imho were best games of the year for RPG fans so if you only played one of the three I guess it's better than nothing.

[CroGamer002]

Fredvdp wrote...

I like Steam, I dislike Origin. Data gathering has nothing to do with it, though. Origin is just buggy as hell.

Well it is new and it's patched regularly.

[photographerleia]

Mesina2 wrote...

photographerleia wrote...

MysterD wrote...

wolfsite wrote...


Just tried running Deus Ex Human Revolution without Steam running, didn't work.  First thing it did was bring up Steam.

Edit:

My copy was a retail copy.

Deus Ex: HR requires Steam PERIOD.

Just like ME3 will require Origin PERIOD.  

Speaking of which, I hate that I had to miss out on DX:HR b/c of Steam requirements.

You mean like Kingdoms of Amalur Reckoning?

Oh right, it won't.

Who said anything about Reckoning?  This is about ME3 which has been confirmed to require Origin no matter how you buy it ... like retail for instance.

Modifié par photographerleia, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:17 .