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[Mister Mida]

Mesina2 wrote...

You mean like Kingdoms of Amalur Reckoning?

Oh right, it won't.

Well, EA can't force 38 Studios to put Origin in KoA since they don't own the dev.

[Fredvdp]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

But I assume you did play TW2 at least?

TW2 is great. I really love their stance on copy protection. No DRM, sue later. They found a way that only affects the pirates.

[Adugan]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

photographerleia wrote...

MysterD wrote...

wolfsite wrote...


Just tried running Deus Ex Human Revolution without Steam running, didn't work.  First thing it did was bring up Steam.

Edit:

My copy was a retail copy.

Deus Ex: HR requires Steam PERIOD.

Just like ME3 will require Origin PERIOD.  

Speaking of which, I hate that I had to miss out on DX:HR b/c of Steam requirements.

Didn't you also skip out on Skyrim too for that same reason. I know it is your choice but I do feel bad that you missed out on two of the best games last year. But I assume you did play TW2 at least? Those three imho were best games of the year for RPG fans so if you only played one of the three I guess it's better than nothing.

SHUDDUP MAN! DA2 WAS BY FAR THE BEST GAME EVERER

[photographerleia]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Didn't you also skip out on Skyrim too for that same reason. I know it is your choice but I do feel bad that you missed out on two of the best games last year. But I assume you did play TW2 at least? Those three imho were best games of the year for RPG fans so if you only played one of the three I guess it's better than nothing.

I did indeed purchase TW2, and I bought it from GOG where it was garunteed to be 100% DRM free upon release.

Modifié par photographerleia, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:20 .

[Relix28]

Fredvdp wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Except of course that many of us won't use Steam either.

Also, this isn't about Steam, it's about Origin and EA.  "But Steam..." is meaningless nonsense.

But if you didn't noticed, most anti-Origin people are Steam users that don't mind what it's doing to them and yet hate for Origin doing same thing.

Again, just pointing hypocrisy of majority people about this issue.

AFAIK, Steam asks for your permission to data mine certain things. Origin doesn't. 
That's hardly the same thing.

From what I've read here it seems Steam scans as much data when not given permission as Origin. They probably don't spread it around though.

It's not about what Origin is doing now. It's about it's ambigiously worded EULA, that allows them to potentially data mine whatever the heck they want in the future. And most likely without any notice, because you already gave them a green light by agreeing to it's terms.

[Fredvdp]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

I like Steam, I dislike Origin. Data gathering has nothing to do with it, though. Origin is just buggy as hell.

Well it is new and it's patched regularly.

It's not new. It's been out for years (since 2005) and recently just had a name change.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:20 .

[wolfsite]

Fredvdp wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

But I assume you did play TW2 at least?

TW2 is great. I really love their stance on copy protection. No DRM, sue later. They found a way that only affects the pirates.

Actually some legit buyers were claiming they received E-mails from CD-Project demanding they pay for pirating the game.  After that they just dropped the case since they did not want to chance of hassling a legit buyer.

[Hedera]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I don't use Steam.  I don't give Steam a pass.

Educate yourself about Origin before you post about what it is and what it isn't. 

It datamines your PC, and on some games you cannot play the game without logging in through the Origin software, either one-team, or whenever you're playing. 

Seeing as you don't use Steam, where you're coming from is definitely more understandable.  The unfortunate fact is that digital distribution clients are where gaming is moving towards.  The requirement for Steam in Skyrim and the requirement for Origin in BF3 doesn't surprise me at all.  Unfortunately, the era of buying a game, installing from the disc, and the only DRM being said disc is passing.  The PC datamining, however harmless to your important files, is bound to ****** off quite a few gamers, and I understand that.  What I don't understand is purposely denying yourself what could be a great gaming experience in the hopes that the publisher will back down.  The multi-billion dollar gaming industry isn't going to drop their DRM crap and their clients just because 10% of the community is mad.  

I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but EA doesn't give a crap what the BSN thinks.  That's BioWare's job.  But, BioWare's other job is staying within their contract.  Telling EA to go !@#$ themselves over Origin is just going to get whoever said it fired.  Times are changing, and giving up something you enjoy because you're mad isn't really going to do anything but hurt you.

Note:  When I say "you" I mean general you, not guy I quoted.

[Incognito JC]

Fredvdp wrote...

TW2 is great. I really love their stance on copy protection. No DRM, sue later. They found a way that only affects the pirates.

Actually, they dropped the piracy check altogether later on. I do not have the link, but according to them, they do not wish to accuse actual owners of the game by mistake and be a nuinsance to honest fans. I doubled the respect for them after reading that.

photographerleia wrote...

I did indeed purchase TW2, and I bought it from GOG where it was garunteed to be 100% DRM free upon release.

All TW2 copies are DRM free. I have a physical CE copy, and they patched the game to remove all DRM a short while after release. Awesome devs, really.

Modifié par Incognito JC, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:23 .

[Mister Mida]

cgrimm54 wrote...

Seeing as you don't use Steam, where you're coming from is definitely more understandable.  The unfortunate fact is that digital distribution clients are where gaming is moving towards.  The requirement for Steam in Skyrim and the requirement for Origin in BF3 doesn't surprise me at all.  Unfortunately, the era of buying a game, installing from the disc, and the only DRM being said disc is passing.  The PC datamining, however harmless to your important files, is bound to ****** off quite a few gamers, and I understand that.  What I don't understand is purposely denying yourself what could be a great gaming experience in the hopes that the publisher will back down.  The multi-billion dollar gaming industry isn't going to drop their DRM crap and their clients just because 10% of the community is mad.  

Digital distribution doesn't require a client. GamersGate doesn't have one and GoG has an optional download manager. Any datamining of computers however, does.

[wolfsite]

Incognito JC wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

TW2 is great. I really love their stance on copy protection. No DRM, sue later. They found a way that only affects the pirates.

Actually, they dropped the piracy check altogether later on. I do not have the link, but according to them, they do not wish to accuse actualy owners of the game by mistake and be a nuinsance to honest fans. I doubled the respect for them after reading that.

We need to get on the same page here Incognito... we seem to be repeating ourselves.

[photographerleia]

wolfsite wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

But I assume you did play TW2 at least?

TW2 is great. I really love their stance on copy protection. No DRM, sue later. They found a way that only affects the pirates.

Actually some legit buyers were claiming they received E-mails from CD-Project demanding they pay for pirating the game.  After that they just dropped the case since they did not want to chance of hassling a legit buyer.

And due to outcry, CDP has backed down and ceased that process.  They announced it this week.  They claimed that the good will of their customers, and the reputation they have earned, is far more valuable to them than risking that an innocent person would be targeted.

[Uzzy]

Relix28 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Except of course that many of us won't use Steam either.

Also, this isn't about Steam, it's about Origin and EA.  "But Steam..." is meaningless nonsense.

But if you didn't noticed, most anti-Origin people are Steam users that don't mind what it's doing to them and yet hate for Origin doing same thing.

Again, just pointing hypocrisy of majority people about this issue.

AFAIK, Steam asks for your permission to data mine certain things. Origin doesn't. 
That's hardly the same thing.

Agreeing to Steam having your data is like giving a trusted and valued friend a loaded rifle, and expecting him not to use it on you.

Agreeing to Origin having your data is like handing Charles Whitman a loaded rifle, and expecting him not to use it on you.

[wolfsite]

photographerleia wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

But I assume you did play TW2 at least?

TW2 is great. I really love their stance on copy protection. No DRM, sue later. They found a way that only affects the pirates.

Actually some legit buyers were claiming they received E-mails from CD-Project demanding they pay for pirating the game.  After that they just dropped the case since they did not want to chance of hassling a legit buyer.

And due to outcry, CDP has backed down and ceased that process.  They announced it this week.  They claimed that the good will of their customers, and the reputation they have earned, is far more valuable to them than risking that an innocent person would be targeted.

Ya that's what I said in what you quoted.

[Dragoonlordz]

Relix28 wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Except of course that many of us won't use Steam either.

Also, this isn't about Steam, it's about Origin and EA.  "But Steam..." is meaningless nonsense.

But if you didn't noticed, most anti-Origin people are Steam users that don't mind what it's doing to them and yet hate for Origin doing same thing.

Again, just pointing hypocrisy of majority people about this issue.

AFAIK, Steam asks for your permission to data mine certain things. Origin doesn't. 
That's hardly the same thing.

From what I've read here it seems Steam scans as much data when not given permission as Origin. They probably don't spread it around though.

It's not about what Origin is doing now. It's about it's ambigiously worded EULA, that allows them to potentially data mine whatever the heck they want in the future. And most likely without any notice, because you already gave them a green light by agreeing to it's terms.

Steams sends more information from your system then Origin regardless of it you opt in to the surveys, the surveys sends even more information from your computer. Steam also has in it's EULA that they can change their EULA at any time. The only thing I couldn't personally prove is what either they send (only the amount) and someone else linked his evidence that it searched as much if not more place than Origin does now and said searched just as much private information as Origin used to though did notlink that information because said was obviously private information which is  kind of understandable.

I guess it comes down to trust but in a sense just because someone isn't caught doing something doesn't mean they are not doing it and this applies to Steam too.

[Ryzaki]

Uzzy wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Except of course that many of us won't use Steam either.

Also, this isn't about Steam, it's about Origin and EA.  "But Steam..." is meaningless nonsense.

But if you didn't noticed, most anti-Origin people are Steam users that don't mind what it's doing to them and yet hate for Origin doing same thing.

Again, just pointing hypocrisy of majority people about this issue.

AFAIK, Steam asks for your permission to data mine certain things. Origin doesn't. 
That's hardly the same thing.

Agreeing to Steam having your data is like giving a trusted and valued friend a loaded rifle, and expecting him not to use it on you.

Agreeing to Origin having your data is like handing Charles Whitman a loaded rifle, and expecting him not to use it on you.

This analogy cracks me up.

[Fredvdp]

wolfsite wrote...

photographerleia wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

But I assume you did play TW2 at least?

TW2 is great. I really love their stance on copy protection. No DRM, sue later. They found a way that only affects the pirates.

Actually some legit buyers were claiming they received E-mails from CD-Project demanding they pay for pirating the game.  After that they just dropped the case since they did not want to chance of hassling a legit buyer.

And due to outcry, CDP has backed down and ceased that process.  They announced it this week.  They claimed that the good will of their customers, and the reputation they have earned, is far more valuable to them than risking that an innocent person would be targeted.

Ya that's what I said in what you quoted.

That's what the guy I quoted said and quoted.

[wolfsite]

Uzzy wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Except of course that many of us won't use Steam either.

Also, this isn't about Steam, it's about Origin and EA.  "But Steam..." is meaningless nonsense.

But if you didn't noticed, most anti-Origin people are Steam users that don't mind what it's doing to them and yet hate for Origin doing same thing.

Again, just pointing hypocrisy of majority people about this issue.

AFAIK, Steam asks for your permission to data mine certain things. Origin doesn't. 
That's hardly the same thing.

Agreeing to Steam having your data is like giving a trusted and valued friend a loaded rifle, and expecting him not to use it on you.

Agreeing to Origin having your data is like handing Charles Whitman a loaded rifle, and expecting him not to use it on you.

Steam just scanned my data without asking if it was okay.

Plus that analogy is invalid since they arn't your best friends, they are companies with people you have never met in real life.

[Incognito JC]

wolfsite wrote...

Steam just scanned my data without asking if it was okay.

Plus that analogy is invalid since they arn't your best friends, they are companies with people you have never met in real life.

But Steam scanned relevant data though, wasn't it? This was from your earlier screenshot. Origin scanned data that were none of their business, like tax programs..

[Dragoonlordz]

Mister Mida wrote...

Digital distribution doesn't require a client. GamersGate doesn't have one and GoG has an optional download manager.

Thats something even I cannot deny. But it comes own to the publisher which method they use to distribute their games I guess and when it is their money being spent making it then it is not unreasonable. Also the we are the customers we paid for it does not work, what the customer pays for is the previous product, they recieved that product for example you buy ME2 you got ME2 and you were not funding ME3 on that principle.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:27 .

[Hedera]

Mister Mida wrote...

Digital distribution doesn't require a client. GamersGate doesn't have one and GoG has an optional download manager. Any datamining of computers however, does.

Neither does Direct2Drive.  I'm not a big fan of the whole client thing when it doesn't do anything but get in my way.  Steam lets me chat with my friends, gives me great deals, and actually gave me free games.  Origin allows me to back up my EA games online.  If I had to get rid of one, it would be Origin in a heartbeat, but I get use out of it, so I keep it, so a game requiring it doesn't bother me.  

Oh, and if a company wants to steal my personal data and sell it, that's traceable.  I'm sure suing EA for being accessory to identity theft would put them in a load of crap.

[Killjoy Cutter]

cgrimm54 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I don't use Steam.  I don't give Steam a pass.

Educate yourself about Origin before you post about what it is and what it isn't. 

It datamines your PC, and on some games you cannot play the game without logging in through the Origin software, either one-team, or whenever you're playing. 

Seeing as you don't use Steam, where you're coming from is definitely more understandable.  The unfortunate fact is that digital distribution clients are where gaming is moving towards.  The requirement for Steam in Skyrim and the requirement for Origin in BF3 doesn't surprise me at all.  Unfortunately, the era of buying a game, installing from the disc, and the only DRM being said disc is passing.  The PC datamining, however harmless to your important files, is bound to ****** off quite a few gamers, and I understand that.  What I don't understand is purposely denying yourself what could be a great gaming experience in the hopes that the publisher will back down.  The multi-billion dollar gaming industry isn't going to drop their DRM crap and their clients just because 10% of the community is mad.  

I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but EA doesn't give a crap what the BSN thinks.  That's BioWare's job.  But, BioWare's other job is staying within their contract.  Telling EA to go !@#$ themselves over Origin is just going to get whoever said it fired.  Times are changing, and giving up something you enjoy because you're mad isn't really going to do anything but hurt you.

Note:  When I say "you" I mean general you, not guy I quoted.

DD doesn't require a customer-side DD client install.  There have been ways to download files for a long time.  I used to use FTP software to transfer files to and from my own website when I had one.  There's that link on a website that many of us have used.

And there's always the good old physical copy, which is still by far the best way to buy software. 

However, corporations mining your computer for data and pushing ads to your computer... those require them to force a client install as a condition of using their product. 

[wolfsite]

Incognito JC wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Steam just scanned my data without asking if it was okay.

Plus that analogy is invalid since they arn't your best friends, they are companies with people you have never met in real life.

But Steam scanned relevant data though, wasn't it? This was from your earlier screenshot. Origin scanned data that were none of their business, like tax programs..

Since you said the Tax thing was fixed you can't really bring it up into the topic since they have addressed it.

Also I stated that it did go into my personal files and settings, the only reason I did not post that evidence is because I don't want that information available to the public.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Honestly, I'm not sure why anyone trusts Steam either.

[Hedera]

Incognito JC wrote...

But Steam scanned relevant data though, wasn't it? This was from your earlier screenshot. Origin scanned data that were none of their business, like tax programs..

Origin scans a few places, including your programs directory, looking for EA games to add to its library.  Your tax program is installed in programs, so it checks if it's a game.  It's not, so it moves to the next one.