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[Mike Shepard]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...
And with Origin - well, that's going way over the top. Forum bans, taking away access to games one has legitimately bought in the past. On-line passes to make selling a game harder etc..

Not Origin, thats EA not the client. That is your problem with EA and not the client specifically.

Ok then - how do I get this EA game (ME3) without Origin then? I see your point though.

you don't, unless you own a console.

[Sundance31us]

Safe thing to do is assume that there's a data sharing orgy going on somewhere on your computer and to try to keep the personal data stored on it to a minimum.

Prepare for the worse and hope for the best.

[shepskisaac]

I love it how fans got EA 'Most Anticipated' award for ME3 and this is how EA pays back.

[Pixieking]

Adugan wrote...

It IS about greed though. Valve takes up to 50% of all digital sale profits from Steam.

Oh just come on! No. Just No!

"Sales figures for Steam have not been released by Valve. However, Stardock, the previous owner of competing platform Impulse, estimated that, as of 2009, Steam had a 70% share of the digital distribution market for video games.[7] In early 2011, Forbes
reported that Steam sales constituted 50 to 70% of the $4 billion
market for downloaded PC games and that Steam offered game producers gross margins of 70% of purchase price, compared with 30% at retail.[69]"

Please stop spreading misinformation! 70% to producer, means 30% to Steam.

http://en.wikipedia....hare_and_impact

Modifié par Emoking, 15 janvier 2012 - 10:45 .

[Moondoggie]

Adugan wrote...


It IS about greed though. Valve takes up to 50% of all digital sale profits from Steam. Thats how they make their money. EA wants to make Origin the next Steam, and they want to do it by holding all the good AAA EA titles hostage so people go over to Origin. Plus, EA gets 100% of the profits from digital sales. On Steam they probably get like 70%.

EA would be happy to work with Valve and have their games on Steam but only if they have control of things like patching and DLC and not need to rely on the middle man to arrange that for customers who have the Steam versions of the game. If  Valve give EA access to their own customers then their games will be back on Steam.

[Harley_Dude]

@cgrimm54 - No need to give up anything. Just rent the console version from Red Box or buy a used copy from Gamestop. Only EA loses.

[Dragoonlordz]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...
And with Origin - well, that's going way over the top. Forum bans, taking away access to games one has legitimately bought in the past. On-line passes to make selling a game harder etc..

Not Origin, thats EA not the client. That is your problem with EA and not the client specifically.

Ok then - how do I get this EA game (ME3) without Origin then? I see your point though.

You can't, but all I was saying is that the issue you mentioned were to do with dislike for EA rather than client. You may also have a dislike for the client but that is a separate issue. There seems to be some people who dislike idea of any clients, some who dislike one and not the others even though they actually not different in reality right now other than one has more features/games listed than the other. Then theres the ones who just dislike EA and do not trust them due to past experiences.

[Pixieking]

Moondoggie wrote...

If  Valve give EA access to their own customers

What does that even mean? Can you tell me? Because I don't know.

[PSUHammer]

Incognito JC wrote...

Adugan wrote...

 Check this out. Valve wants EA back on Steam.

If only EA is less greedy. This partnership would benefit them both, as well as gamers.

I don't understand you here.  All corporations are in business to make money for shareholders.  Publically traded companies are ALL greedy by definition.  Why wouldn't they want to maximize their profit margins?

[Adugan]

Emoking wrote...

Adugan wrote...

It IS about greed though. Valve takes up to 50% of all digital sale profits from Steam.

Oh just come on! No. Just No!

"Sales figures for Steam have not been released by Valve. However, Stardock, the previous owner of competing platform Impulse, estimated that, as of 2009, Steam had a 70% share of the digital distribution market for video games.[7] In early 2011, Forbes
reported that Steam sales constituted 50 to 70% of the $4 billion
market for downloaded PC games and that Steam offered game producers gross margins of 70% of purchase price, compared with 30% at retail.[69]"

Please stop spreading misinformation! 70% to producer, means 30% to Steam.

http://en.wikipedia....hare_and_impact

I said UP TO, not EXACTLY 50%. I have heard rumors of only half the profits going to small developers, which is why i said that. 

[Volus Warlord]

IsaacShep wrote...

I love it how fans got EA 'Most Anticipated' award for ME3 and this is how EA pays back.

You see, the relationship is like a big family.

We, the fans, are the children; with countless and diverse needs and desires.

Bioware, the developer, is the mother. A mother concerned with her children about as much as her reputation so she can adopt more.

EA, the publisher, is the molesting stepfather. He will set a rock bottom example and probably tell the children to go sell themselves at age 14. 

[Pixieking]

Also, for all those looking at Steam, go here

http://www.steampowe...works/index.php

It gives a nice view of the incentives for publishers to work with Steam.

(apologies for off-topic)

[Incognito JC]

Hammer6767 wrote...

I don't understand you here.  All corporations are in business to make money for shareholders.  Publically traded companies are ALL greedy by definition.  Why wouldn't they want to maximize their profit margins?

The partnership would benefit EA more in the long run. What they are doing now is more short term, with Origin having a chance of failing.

[PSUHammer]

Emoking wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

If  Valve give EA access to their own customers

What does that even mean? Can you tell me? Because I don't know.

Valve doesn't want software companies to be able to release DLC outside of Steam.  If they do, Steam loses a cut of the profit.  EA wants to control DLC and other in app purchases as it is a nice revenue stream.  It is all about two big companies fighting over profit.

[Pixieking]

Adugan wrote...

I said UP TO, not EXACTLY 50%. I have heard rumors of only half the profits going to small developers, which is why i said that. 

Then maybe quote your source? Please? The "Origin has spyware" claims are mostly refuted with screenshots, but things like this need to be backed up with actual articles, or else it just spins out of control.

[Ryzaki]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

If  Valve give EA access to their own customers

What does that even mean? Can you tell me? Because I don't know.

Valve doesn't want software companies to be able to release DLC outside of Steam.  If they do, Steam loses a cut of the profit.  EA wants to control DLC and other in app purchases as it is a nice revenue stream.  It is all about two big companies fighting over profit.

Exactly so trying to pretend anyone is being white lily in this is laughable. They're both doing this for their self interest.

[PSUHammer]

Incognito JC wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

I don't understand you here.  All corporations are in business to make money for shareholders.  Publically traded companies are ALL greedy by definition.  Why wouldn't they want to maximize their profit margins?

The partnership would benefit EA more in the long run. What they are doing now is more short term, with Origin having a chance of failing.

You may be right, there.  But obviously some executives feel controlling their brand is more important.  Time will tell if they are right.

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Mike Shepard wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...
And with Origin - well, that's going way over the top. Forum bans, taking away access to games one has legitimately bought in the past. On-line passes to make selling a game harder etc..

Not Origin, thats EA not the client. That is your problem with EA and not the client specifically.

Ok then - how do I get this EA game (ME3) without Origin then? I see your point though.

you don't, unless you own a console.

True, but then I'd have to sign up there for some service by MS or Sony, or wouldn't I have to?  

See, I would like to be able to buy the game as a physical copy, install it and play it. In the case of a single player game, I do not see a requirement to go on-line or remain connected as other companies "demanded" it, had you chosen to buy their product.

To download patches to fix bugs, sure I'd visit their website and I'd simply be downloading them.

Regarding DLCs - well, that's like selling a non-complete game and wanting to milk the cash-cow over and over.

Just my 2 cents.

[Pkxm]

lol @ volus

[Incognito JC]

Volus Warlord wrote...

You see, the relationship is like a big family.

We, the fans, are the children; with countless and diverse needs and desires.

Bioware, the developer, is the mother. A mother concerned with her children about as much as her reputation so she can adopt more.

EA, the publisher, is the molesting stepfather. He will set a rock bottom example and probably tell the children to go sell themselves at age 14. 

Oh, you.

[Ryzaki]

jreezy wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

His?

I really sound that much like a dude?

Wow. You learn something new everyday. I thought you were as well.

...I'm not sure if I should cry or facepalm.

[Pixieking]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

If  Valve give EA access to their own customers

What does that even mean? Can you tell me? Because I don't know.

Valve doesn't want software companies to be able to release DLC outside of Steam.  If they do, Steam loses a cut of the profit.  EA wants to control DLC and other in app purchases as it is a nice revenue stream.  It is all about two big companies fighting over profit.

Not quite true... Valve is saying that all DLC for games it carries on Steam be carried by Steam. This is why you have Arkham City DLC for sale on Steam, but if you go back a couple of years, the only place to pick up the Minerva's Den DLC (for Bioshock 2) is G4WL, even though the base game is sold on Steam. It is actually supposed to make it better for the consumer, since they can purchase game and DLC in one place.

I will agree, though, that it comes down to fighting for profit in some amount.

[Moondoggie]

Emoking wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

If  Valve give EA access to their own customers

What does that even mean? Can you tell me? Because I don't know.

Valve in Steam acts as a middle man managing everything. EA wants the right to provide patches and user content without going through a middle man for their games. 

[Awoken Eyes]

Chris Priestly wrote...
4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

I find it extremely funny, that these "restricted terms of service", only seem to be effecting EA and no-one els...