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[Elazul2k]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Elazul2k wrote...

http://eacom.s3.amaz...gin_8.24.11.pdf 

Section 2, paragraph 2: 

"In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects nonpersonally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you.  The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.  As noted above, this information is gathered periodically for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs, and otherwise enhancing your user experience."

So, WHY oh WHY does EA consider my IP address non-identifiable? That is like saying my license plate can't identify who I am yet cops use it everyday to identify who a vehicle belongs too.

Also, we live in the world where things like Sony being hacked can occur. Even if Big Brother™ has the best of intentions while spying on us can we count of them to absolutely safeguard this data from all harm? I think NOT!

Good thing I already cancelled my pre-order or I would be doing it right now after reading the EULA closer.

Regarding the "non-personally identifiable information that EA collects": as far as I know it even includes your network adapter's MAC address, which is even more unique, as often enough you'll be receiving a new IP address when reconnecting.

Worse yet it goes ont to say just beneath it:

"This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA’s Privacy Policy located at. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts or is inconsistent with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control. "

Lets see what the Privacy Policy says:

"VI. What Happens To The Information EA Collects?

A. How EA Uses Your Information

EA uses your information to fulfill your specific requests, purchase orders and to send you purchase confirmation and other account-related information. In addition, the personal information you provide will allow us to send you messages about things including new products, features, enhancements, special offers, upgrade opportunities, contests and events of interest. You may also later opt out of certain of these communications.

Otherwise, EA uses personal and non-personal information, both individually and combined together, to better enhance your user experience, improve our products and services, understand the behavior and preferences of our customers, to troubleshoot technical problems, to serve static and dynamic advertising, for authentication purposes, to enforce our Terms of Service, to ensure proper functioning of our products and services as well as to help improve them. In addition, we combine non-personal information with personal information, such as an email address, for purposes including providing excellent customer service, administering loyalty programs, and tailoring our communications, offerings, web pages and/or game play experience to you.

[...]

B. Will EA Share My Information With Third Parties?

EA will never share your personally identifiable information with third parties without your consent. We may, however, share non-personally identifiable, aggregated and/or public information with third parties. There may be circumstances where you may share information on your own. Please see section XI for more details about your rights to information you share publicly on EA and other third party sites and forums. You may also opt in to allow EA to share your personal information with companies and organizations that provide products or services that we believe may be of interest to you. To opt out of further communications from a marketing partner or sponsor with whom your information has been shared, please contact that partner or sponsor directly."

Awesome! So this mean that they can and will sell our private information to third parties at their discretion. 

Modifié par Elazul2k, 15 janvier 2012 - 11:16 .

[PSUHammer]

Moondoggie wrote...
Are you for real? Even every single website you visit records your IP. address. Getting upset about that being recorded by Origin is laughable. .

You are correct.  A lot of hyberbole around Origin and their EULA.  Too many people spouting off on claims and data they do not understand....not realizing every website they visit is capable of the same thing.  Microsoft does this constantly.

[PSUHammer]

Emoking wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

We are talking about now...not a few years ago.  Valve has changed their policy and that is what EA is concerned with.  Not picking sides, that is just what it is.

Disingenuous answer.

No-one's picking sides.

I gave an example of Steam ToS before and after EA's removal of Dragon Age 2. That is all.

Disingenuous?  Not sure I am following you.  I simply said "I" wasn't picking sides....not insinuating you were.

Ahh... Sorry, my mistake.

Shouldn't have had that second glass of white wine, I think, :innocent:

No worries...this is a good discussion.

[Killjoy Cutter]

cgrimm54 wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

But Steam scanned relevant data though, wasn't it? This was from your earlier screenshot. Origin scanned data that were none of their business, like tax programs..

Origin scans a few places, including your programs directory, looking for EA games to add to its library.  Your tax program is installed in programs, so it checks if it's a game.  It's not, so it moves to the next one.

And if I don't want Origin making a library of my games? 

[phaedrusiszen]

That's too bad. Preorder canceled.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...
Are you for real? Even every single website you visit records your IP. address. Getting upset about that being recorded by Origin is laughable. .

You are correct.  A lot of hyberbole around Origin and their EULA.  Too many people spouting off on claims and data they do not understand....not realizing every website they visit is capable of the same thing.  Microsoft does this constantly.

What kind of websites are you going to, that they're scanning your entire hard drive and registry?

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Sundance31us wrote...

Elazul2k wrote...
So, WHY oh WHY does EA consider my IP address non-identifiable? That is like saying my license plate can't identify who I am yet cops use it everyday to identify who a vehicle belongs too.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I do believe IP addresses are collected by most of not all servers whenever you visit sites online; the information is kept in server logs.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Server_log
https://www.google.c...rms-server-logs

There are some EU countries in which logging those is forbidden by law and have to be removed from the log files (if they were logged). Now in reality, I doubt that everyone does so in those countries.

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 15 janvier 2012 - 11:14 .

[Dragoonlordz]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

Elazul2k wrote...
So, WHY oh WHY does EA consider my IP address non-identifiable? That is like saying my license plate can't identify who I am yet cops use it everyday to identify who a vehicle belongs too.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I do believe IP addresses are collected by most of not all servers whenever you visit sites online; the information is kept in server logs.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Server_log
https://www.google.c...rms-server-logs

There are some EU countries in which logging those is forbidden by law and have to be removed from the log files (if they were logged). Now in reality, I doubt that everyone does so in those countries.

I don't know much about that but I am pretty sure his IP got logged the second he visited BSN. Just like mine and everyone else's. As well as it is logged by his own internet provider I am sure too the moment he connected to the internet.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 11:16 .

[PSUHammer]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

But Steam scanned relevant data though, wasn't it? This was from your earlier screenshot. Origin scanned data that were none of their business, like tax programs..

Origin scans a few places, including your programs directory, looking for EA games to add to its library.  Your tax program is installed in programs, so it checks if it's a game.  It's not, so it moves to the next one.

And if I don't want Origin making a library of my games? 

Don't install it.

[Sundance31us]

ELECTRONIC ARTS PRIVACY POLICY
Effective Date: December 5, 2011
 
http://tos.ea.com/le...IVACY/US/en/PC/

The link above is also available at the bottom of the forum page "Privacy Policy UPDATE".

[PSUHammer]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

Elazul2k wrote...
So, WHY oh WHY does EA consider my IP address non-identifiable? That is like saying my license plate can't identify who I am yet cops use it everyday to identify who a vehicle belongs too.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I do believe IP addresses are collected by most of not all servers whenever you visit sites online; the information is kept in server logs.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Server_log
https://www.google.c...rms-server-logs

There are some EU countries in which logging those is forbidden by law and have to be removed from the log files (if they were logged). Now in reality, I doubt that everyone does so in those countries.

I don't know much about that but I am pretty sure his IP got logged the second he visited BSN. Just like mine and everyone else's. As well as it is logged by his own internet provider I am sure too the moment he connected to the internet.

Yes, that is how forum moderators hand out "IP bans"

[Killjoy Cutter]

Hammer6767 wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Forum bans, taking away access to games one has legitimately bought in the past. On-line passes to make selling a game harder etc..

These would be legitimate concerns for me, but I have never been banned from a forum.  I think people who pirate games have more to lose then anyone else.  They are probably crying the loudest.

No, you have your privacy and security to worry about, whether you realize it or not.  

But you'd rather stick your head in the sand and pretend that anyone opposed to ME3 requiring Origin must be a software pirate.  

 

[Ryzaki]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

Elazul2k wrote...
So, WHY oh WHY does EA consider my IP address non-identifiable? That is like saying my license plate can't identify who I am yet cops use it everyday to identify who a vehicle belongs too.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I do believe IP addresses are collected by most of not all servers whenever you visit sites online; the information is kept in server logs.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Server_log
https://www.google.c...rms-server-logs

There are some EU countries in which logging those is forbidden by law and have to be removed from the log files (if they were logged). Now in reality, I doubt that everyone does so in those countries.

I don't know much about that but I am pretty sure his IP got logged the second he visited BSN. Just like mine and everyone else's. As well as it is logged by his own internet provider I am sure too the moment he connected to the internet.

Yes, that is how forum moderators hand out "IP bans"

Yup.

But it's not like you can't change your IP. So...

[Killjoy Cutter]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

But Steam scanned relevant data though, wasn't it? This was from your earlier screenshot. Origin scanned data that were none of their business, like tax programs..

Origin scans a few places, including your programs directory, looking for EA games to add to its library.  Your tax program is installed in programs, so it checks if it's a game.  It's not, so it moves to the next one.

And if I don't want Origin making a library of my games? 

Don't install it.

That's what it's come to. 

Of course, that means I can't purchase or use EA software any more. 

Too bad for them. 

[Ryzaki]

Hammer6767 wrote...

These would be legitimate concerns for me, but I have never been banned from a forum.  I think people who pirate games have more to lose then anyone else.  They are probably crying the loudest.

Not even remotely. Pirates don't really give a damn beyond "How much longer will this take to crack?" 

[Dragoonlordz]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

These would be legitimate concerns for me, but I have never been banned from a forum.  I think people who pirate games have more to lose then anyone else.  They are probably crying the loudest.

Not even remotely. Pirates don't really give a damn beyond "How much longer will this take to crack?" 

12 minutes before any one said anything I think you killed the thread, you bad bad person. 
It has got far more civil in last dozen or so pages so that was quite nice, I'm off to watch some tv. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 11:30 .

[Pixieking]

Yeah, I'm going to go to bed. Need sleep for sure.

Night night guys and girls. Hope the thread is still open when I wake up in the morning. It's been very interesting. <3

[slimgrin]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

These would be legitimate concerns for me, but I have never been banned from a forum.  I think people who pirate games have more to lose then anyone else.  They are probably crying the loudest.

Not even remotely. Pirates don't really give a damn beyond "How much longer will this take to crack?" 

Correct. Pirates will continue to pirate. It's an exclusivity marketing tactic to rope gamers into buying from EA. It will do nothing to curb piracy, nor is it designed to do so. 

I really wish folks would get this through their f*cking heads: DRM does not stop piracy. It never has.

Modifié par slimgrin, 15 janvier 2012 - 11:45 .

[crimzontearz]

sorry I was making Lasagna and playing Crysis 1...what I miss

[El Neebre]

slimgrin wrote...

I really wish folks would get this through their f*cking heads: DRM does not stop piracy. It never has.

I know, but don't forget that big companies like EA are run by suits, nothing more. They're out of touch.

Doesn't matter the type of business you're in, suits are generally very out of touch and have no business savvy, regardless of their skillsets.

[Infinite Mass]

So wait....is Origin required? Is it confirmed? I need to know.

[El Neebre]

Infinite Mass wrote...

So wait....is Origin required? Is it confirmed? I need to know.

It's confirmed, both physical and digital copies require Origin, hopefully the massive backlash EA are getting for their selfish decision will make them change their plans.

[Hedera]

El Neebre wrote...

Infinite Mass wrote...

So wait....is Origin required? Is it confirmed? I need to know.

It's confirmed, both physical and digital copies require Origin, hopefully the massive backlash EA are getting for their selfish decision will make them change their plans.

It's not exactly massive.  A big thread on this forum =/= ME's entire fanbase.

[Infinite Mass]

That's a complete shame. I'm cancelling my preorder as we speak. I will NOT have that intrusive crap scanning my personal, private information!!

Shame, BioWare!! Absolute shame!!!!!!!!

[Relix28]

El Neebre wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I really wish folks would get this through their f*cking heads: DRM does not stop piracy. It never has.

I know, but don't forget that big companies like EA are run by suits, nothing more. They're out of touch.

Doesn't matter the type of business you're in, suits are generally very out of touch and have no business savvy, regardless of their skillsets.

Pretty much. They are dinosaurs that just won't die / go away for some reason. It's really frustrating TBH.