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[Hedera]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And if I don't want Origin making a library of my games? 

Don't install it.

That's what it's come to. 

Of course, that means I can't purchase or use EA software any more. 

Too bad for them. 

Too bad for you.  EA isn't going to care if Killjoy Cutter doesn't buy any games from them.  $200 or so a year is nothing to them.  They probably figured exactly how many people would stop buying their games if they put Origin in, factored in how many people would get it anyway, then start buying games from Origin, and it ended with them on top.  Profit margins ignore the vocal minority.

[PSUHammer]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...
Are you for real? Even every single website you visit records your IP. address. Getting upset about that being recorded by Origin is laughable. .

You are correct.  A lot of hyberbole around Origin and their EULA.  Too many people spouting off on claims and data they do not understand....not realizing every website they visit is capable of the same thing.  Microsoft does this constantly.

What kind of websites are you going to, that they're scanning your entire hard drive and registry?

I said "capable."  HP.com and Dell.com both will scan your PC for components and software.  And I don't think Origins is scanning your "entire hard drive and registry."  Based on it's description and what Bioware has announced.  I could be wrong.

To that end, if Origin offers auto patching and DLC download/install streamlining...I would consider that a plus over ME2 and DA/2 system.

[Adugan]

Infinite Mass wrote...

So wait....is Origin required? Is it confirmed? I need to know.

LOL wow.

[Sundance31us]

Infinite Mass wrote...
So wait....is Origin required? Is it confirmed? I need to know.

First page, first post...

Chris Priestly wrote...
1) Will Origin be a requirement to play all versions of Mass Effect 3? (Digital and/or from a retail brick and mortar store)
Yes, Origin is required for all PC editions of Mass Effect 3, physical or digital.

2) Is constant Origin connection required or is it a single one off authentication when the game is first installed. Is there also a limit to the number of installations available?
Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single authorization for the single player game. There is no limit to the number of installs. Playing Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer will require a constant connection.

3) Is Origin required for the retail versions of the game?
Origin is required for the PC versions of Mass Effect 3, both physical and digital.

[PSUHammer]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Forum bans, taking away access to games one has legitimately bought in the past. On-line passes to make selling a game harder etc..

These would be legitimate concerns for me, but I have never been banned from a forum.  I think people who pirate games have more to lose then anyone else.  They are probably crying the loudest.

No, you have your privacy and security to worry about, whether you realize it or not.  

But you'd rather stick your head in the sand and pretend that anyone opposed to ME3 requiring Origin must be a software pirate.  

 

Whatever helps you sleep at night. 

[.haven]

 Pre-order cancelled. Getting a pirated PC version WITH OUT ORIGIN and* the xbox360 version.

fixed*

Modifié par .haven, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:18 .

[Infinite Mass]

Lol....if Valve ever releases H-L3 I bet they make it Steam exclusive. Way to go, EA!!!

Now I wonder if Origin is required for KoA...

[PSUHammer]

.haven wrote...

 Pre-order cancelled. Getting a pirated PC version WITH OUT ORIGIN or the xbox360 version.

Considering you have no Bioware games registered I am assuming you already went that route before? 

[slimgrin]

.haven wrote...

 Pre-order cancelled. Getting a pirated PC version WITH OUT ORIGIN or the xbox360 version.

Oh, now you've done it. You want a spyware free copy of ME3, a deliberate vioation of EA's site rules. You will now be banned and access to Origin, and all games associated with said software, will henceforth be blocked. Please contact our automated customer service between the hours of 10:00 AM-12:00 PM eastern time Thur-Friday. (We are closed on all international holidays)

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:03 .

[Savber100]

.haven wrote...

 Pre-order cancelled. Getting a pirated PC version WITH OUT ORIGIN or the xbox360 version.

Brilliant. 

Post your worthless comment about pirating a work that the Mass Effect team has worked on for 8 years. It's a WONDER why Bioware employees hasn't just ditched en masse with people like you. 

I dislike Origins just as much as the regular PC gamer (heck, I only have a gaming PC) but jerks like you are the reason why PC gaming can't be taken seriously. 

Policy I don't like? PIIIRRAAATE! 

[Weskerr]

cgrimm54 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And if I don't want Origin making a library of my games? 

Don't install it.

That's what it's come to. 

Of course, that means I can't purchase or use EA software any more. 

Too bad for them. 

Too bad for you.  EA isn't going to care if Killjoy Cutter doesn't buy any games from them.  $200 or so a year is nothing to them.  They probably figured exactly how many people would stop buying their games if they put Origin in, factored in how many people would get it anyway, then start buying games from Origin, and it ended with them on top.  Profit margins ignore the vocal minority.

Right...just like Ubisoft figured out exactly how many people would stop buying their games.

[Savber100]

Weskerr wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And if I don't want Origin making a library of my games? 

Don't install it.

That's what it's come to. 

Of course, that means I can't purchase or use EA software any more. 

Too bad for them. 

Too bad for you.  EA isn't going to care if Killjoy Cutter doesn't buy any games from them.  $200 or so a year is nothing to them.  They probably figured exactly how many people would stop buying their games if they put Origin in, factored in how many people would get it anyway, then start buying games from Origin, and it ended with them on top.  Profit margins ignore the vocal minority.

Right...just like Ubisoft figured out exactly how many people would stop buying their games.

Assassin's Creed series is better-selling than BOTH Mass Effect and Dragon Age combined. 

So... yeah 

[PSUHammer]

slimgrin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

These would be legitimate concerns for me, but I have never been banned from a forum.  I think people who pirate games have more to lose then anyone else.  They are probably crying the loudest.

Not even remotely. Pirates don't really give a damn beyond "How much longer will this take to crack?" 

Correct. Pirates will continue to pirate. It's an exclusivity marketing tactic to rope gamers into buying from EA. It will do nothing to curb piracy, nor is it designed to do so. 

I really wish folks would get this through their f*cking heads: DRM does not stop piracy. It never has.

While I am not a DRM fan or defender, I have to disagree with you.  While most committed pirates will crack any software out there, the fly by night, casual, gamer will not know how or invest the time to learn ( I am talking about the person who doesn't know what a driver is).  I use a relative of mine as an example.  Back before DRM (when copy protection equated providing text from the game manual!), this person just copied and shared games.  Now they find it too difficult to mess with and don't.

It isn't as easy as it once was and that is a deterrent.  I know some of you who have only gamed in DRM era may not share that perspective.

So, I know why the publishers do it.  Do I like it?  No.  Do I think they have a right to?  Yup.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:19 .

[Weskerr]

Savber100 wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And if I don't want Origin making a library of my games? 

Don't install it.

That's what it's come to. 

Of course, that means I can't purchase or use EA software any more. 

Too bad for them. 

Too bad for you.  EA isn't going to care if Killjoy Cutter doesn't buy any games from them.  $200 or so a year is nothing to them.  They probably figured exactly how many people would stop buying their games if they put Origin in, factored in how many people would get it anyway, then start buying games from Origin, and it ended with them on top.  Profit margins ignore the vocal minority.

Right...just like Ubisoft figured out exactly how many people would stop buying their games.

Assassin's Creed series is better-selling than BOTH Mass Effect and Dragon Age combined. 

So... yeah 

At the cost of losing all but 10% of their pc market

Modifié par Weskerr, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:05 .

[.haven]

Hammer6767 wrote...

.haven wrote...

 Pre-order cancelled. Getting a pirated PC version WITH OUT ORIGIN or the xbox360 version.

Considering you have no Bioware games registered I am assuming you already went that route before? 

Yes I don't need/want games requiring extra programs installed to play them. Its the same with Microsoft with their Microsoft games network.

[photographerleia]

cgrimm54 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

That's what it's come to. 

Of course, that means I can't purchase or use EA software any more. 

Too bad for them. 

Too bad for you.  EA isn't going to care if Killjoy Cutter doesn't buy any games from them.  $200 or so a year is nothing to them.  They probably figured exactly how many people would stop buying their games if they put Origin in, factored in how many people would get it anyway, then start buying games from Origin, and it ended with them on top.  Profit margins ignore the vocal minority.

But atleast Killjoy Cutter will be able to look at himself in the mirror and know that he stood by something he felt strongly about.  I do not see anything wrong with that. 

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:09 .

[PSUHammer]

.haven wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

.haven wrote...

 Pre-order cancelled. Getting a pirated PC version WITH OUT ORIGIN or the xbox360 version.

Considering you have no Bioware games registered I am assuming you already went that route before? 

Yes I don't need/want games requiring extra programs installed to play them. Its the same with Microsoft with their Microsoft games network.

So, not supporting the development team who actually makes these games is your way of getting back at them?  Because you don't like the download mechanism?

[BlaznZero]

.haven wrote...

 Pre-order cancelled. Getting a pirated PC version WITH OUT ORIGIN or the xbox360 version.

I ain't even mad at you .haven! 

I ain't mad at cha! <3

[Ryzaki]

Hammer6767 wrote...
While I am not a DRM fan or defender, I have to disagree with you.  While most committed pirates will crack any software out there, the fly by night, casual, gamer will not know how or invest the time to learn ( I al talking about the person who doesn't know what a driver is).  I use a relative of mine as an example.  Back before DRM (when copy protection equated providing text from the game manual!), this person just copied and shared games.  Now they find it too difficult to mess with and don't.

It isn't as easy as it once was and that is a deterrent.  I know some of you who have only gamed in DRM era may not share that perspective.

So, I know why the publishers do it.  Do I like it?  No.  Do I think they have a right to?  Yup.

Edit: Uh...piracy is actually *easier* then it used to be to be honest.

And I don't consider people who bought a copy to the game and then gave their old copy to someone else while playing their old ones (since it has no DRM like CD check) pirates.

If that person finds it too difficult I have to ask how they do anything on the computer.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:13 .

[slimgrin]

Hammer6767 wrote...


So, I know why the publishers do it.  Do I like it?  No.  Do I think they have a right to?  Yup.

It is very easy to pirate games. And no publisher has the right to install an unwanted client on my PC just for buying their product. 

I wish my fellow gamers would quit justifying crappy and unfair business practices. You should all be extolling what publishers like GoG do, not backing EA. What EA is doing in unfair and unethical.

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:13 .

[Alex_SM]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

If  Valve give EA access to their own customers

What does that even mean? Can you tell me? Because I don't know.

Valve doesn't want software companies to be able to release DLC outside of Steam.  If they do, Steam loses a cut of the profit.  EA wants to control DLC and other in app purchases as it is a nice revenue stream.  It is all about two big companies fighting over profit.

Not really true.

What Valve demands is that every DLC of games released on Steam must be sold on Steam, but not Steam exclusive.

An example of this is Orcs Must Die. All DLCs have been released on Steam... as well as on other services (as Gamersgate for example).

What EA want is the DLC to be EA store exclusive.  

[photographerleia]

Hammer6767 wrote...

So, not supporting the development team who actually makes these games is your way of getting back at them?  Because you don't like the download mechanism?

Yes.  Now let them destribute it without the "download mechenism" (as you call it) and the story will be different.  Until then I will use my hard earned money wsupporting developers and destributors that demonstrate respect for tehir customer base's wishes.

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:12 .

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Hammer6767 wrote...

[...]

While I am not a DRM fan or defender, I have to disagree with you.  While most committed pirates will crack any software out there.  The fly by night, casual gamer will not know how or invest the time to learn ( I al talking about the person who doesn't know what a driver is).  I use a relative of mine as an example.  Back before DRM (when copy protection equated providing text from the game manual!), this person just copied and shared games.  Now they find it too difficult to mess with and don't.

It isn't as easy as it once was and that is a deterrent.  I know some of you who have only gamed in DRM era may not share that perspective.

So, I know why the publishers do it.  Do I like it?  No.  Do I think they have a right to?  Yup.

And pirating doesn't resolve the privacy concern issue at all. How could I tell what someone might have injected/inserted into that pirated piece of software?! My machine might end up becoming part of some botnet, being thoroughly combed through remotely or automated for e.g. credit card information and alike. Nope, stupid idea thinking one would be safer using a pirated copy than installing and having to run Origin. In fact both isn't desirable (to me).

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:12 .

[Savber100]

Weskerr wrote...
At the cost of losing all but 10% of their pc market

Still... As much as I love PC games (and would probably be a PC gamer for decades), PC gaming is not really a huge dent in the gaming market as a whole. 

That said, REALLY GOOD article... I still hate Ubisoft for dumping crap on me with From Dust. 

Modifié par Savber100, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:13 .

[BurtonSD]

.haven wrote...

 Pre-order cancelled. Getting a pirated PC version WITH OUT ORIGIN or the xbox360 version.

Oh snap.