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[Dragoonlordz]

slimgrin wrote...

GoG has no software client. Steam does.

Gog has no DRM. Steam does,.

That's on your PC is the game.

It also runs old games that are initially incompatible with modern OS's.

GoG also only sells old games and only new release being TW2. You missed that one.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:34 .

[photographerleia]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

GoG also only sells old games and only new release being TW2. You missed that one.

Starting this year they will be selling newer games as well. 

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:37 .

[Incognito JC]

If GOG manages to get new titles, then they will be BIG.

[Alex_SM]

GoG is an awesome store.

[Dragoonlordz]

photographerleia wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

GoG also only sells old games and only new release being TW2. You missed that one.

Starting this year they will be selling newer games as well.

As of right now they do not. I will be happy to change my statement when their situation changes later this year.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:36 .

[slimgrin]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

GoG also only sells old games and only new release being TW2. You missed that one.

It's their business practises I am praising. GoG has set an example and they are one of the few game publishers to outright condemn SOPA and DRM.

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:36 .

[Docjam]

Something I want to point out:

http://kotaku.com/58...i-games-of-2011

Note that 2 of those 5 are origin exclusive.

Origin does not stop criminals, it is ineffective and punishes your customers, not the criminals.

Criminals will have Mass Effect 3, without having Origin, with no DRM, for free, and they will get it days earlier than paying customers.

I still want to hear from EA why they stab their customers in the back like this.

[fungineer]

I dislike having a host of different processes on my system running 24/7 - when I'm not playing that game nothing should be running. I'll accept Steam because I have so much on it and I use it as a communication medium half the time. I have ME and ME2 and love the games - but on STEAM. I've never had issues with games on steam accept for Oblivion and that was only at launch. I can't complain.

I had HUGE issues with Bioshock when it first came out because I am an ATI graphics card buyer. My old computer spazzed out at Bioshock because they didn't support ATI out the gate as some form of punishment to ATI users. So I returned the game and will never buy another Bioshock game. The fact that I couldn't even start up a game I just paid for is garbage.

I never got Starcraft 2 because of the 24/7 internet connection. That's garbage. Stardock has Impulse. EA has all sorts of crap. Now Origin is one more piece of trash on my computer sucking up resources on my system that I can't use for playing the game.

Steam hasn't dramatically changed their policies (toward developers) since ME1 OR ME2 came out, so why have EA get this knee-jerk reaction? It's for money and that's it. People that say "oh well they'll lose sales" and that's 100% true - but the extra $6 they make per game will likely outweigh the lost sales as many people WILL accept origin.

I want to support Bioware and the series and I want the game on PC instead of my PS3, so what am I to do? There should be an opt-out of this garbage. What if I didn't have an internet connection? What if I still had dial up?

But none of it matters. If SOPA passes even legitimate paying customers will get screwed.

[crimzontearz]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
I gotta ask....given that other games published by EA do not require Origin, what exactly makes them decide which game to saddle with it?

The biggest sellers.

seriously? because Crysis was INCREDIBLY pirated....crysis 2 sold very well yet no Origin

[Rockworm503]

Docjam wrote...

Something I want to point out:

http://kotaku.com/58...i-games-of-2011

Note that 2 of those 5 are origin exclusive.

Origin does not stop criminals, it is ineffective and punishes your customers, not the criminals.

Criminals will have Mass Effect 3, without having Origin, with no DRM, for free, and they will get it days earlier than paying customers.

I still want to hear from EA why they stab their customers in the back like this.

Stabbing us in the back implys we didn't see this coming.

More like spitting in our face and telling us to like it.

[slimgrin]

Incognito JC wrote...

If GOG manages to get new titles, then they will be BIG.

It will only be indie titles and games less than 4 yrs old. We won't see new titles. No publisher would do that, not yet.

[Adugan]

fungineer wrote...

I dislike having a host of different processes on my system running 24/7 - when I'm not playing that game nothing should be running. I'll accept Steam because I have so much on it and I use it as a communication medium half the time. I have ME and ME2 and love the games - but on STEAM. I've never had issues with games on steam accept for Oblivion and that was only at launch. I can't complain.

I had HUGE issues with Bioshock when it first came out because I am an ATI graphics card buyer. My old computer spazzed out at Bioshock because they didn't support ATI out the gate as some form of punishment to ATI users. So I returned the game and will never buy another Bioshock game. The fact that I couldn't even start up a game I just paid for is garbage.

I never got Starcraft 2 because of the 24/7 internet connection. That's garbage. Stardock has Impulse. EA has all sorts of crap. Now Origin is one more piece of trash on my computer sucking up resources on my system that I can't use for playing the game.

Steam hasn't dramatically changed their policies (toward developers) since ME1 OR ME2 came out, so why have EA get this knee-jerk reaction? It's for money and that's it. People that say "oh well they'll lose sales" and that's 100% true - but the extra $6 they make per game will likely outweigh the lost sales as many people WILL accept origin.

I want to support Bioware and the series and I want the game on PC instead of my PS3, so what am I to do? There should be an opt-out of this garbage. What if I didn't have an internet connection? What if I still had dial up?

But none of it matters. If SOPA passes even legitimate paying customers will get screwed.

Lol ATI has buggy drivers, maybe thats why it wasnt supported. IMO Radeon is more unstable but has higher performance, like Kaidan's implants, lol.

Modifié par Adugan, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:40 .

[PSUHammer]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...
While I am not a DRM fan or defender, I have to disagree with you.  While most committed pirates will crack any software out there, the fly by night, casual, gamer will not know how or invest the time to learn ( I al talking about the person who doesn't know what a driver is).  I use a relative of mine as an example.  Back before DRM (when copy protection equated providing text from the game manual!), this person just copied and shared games.  Now they find it too difficult to mess with and don't.

It isn't as easy as it once was and that is a deterrent.  I know some of you who have only gamed in DRM era may not share that perspective.

So, I know why the publishers do it.  Do I like it?  No.  Do I think they have a right to?  Yup.

Edit: Uh...piracy is actually *easier* then it used to be to be honest.

And I don't consider people who bought a copy to the game and then gave their old copy to someone else while playing their old ones (since it has no DRM like CD check) pirates.

If that person finds it too difficult I have to ask how they do anything on the computer.

Um, disagree.  Old DOS games installed on any computer without DRM.  There was NO protection.  Can't get much easier then that.

As to your last point, I always wonder how people do things on computers without knowing how to use them.  If you work in tech support for any amount of time, you would be amazed that people can find the power button.

[Dragoonlordz]

Docjam wrote...

Something I want to point out:

http://kotaku.com/58...i-games-of-2011

Note that 2 of those 5 are origin exclusive.

Origin does not stop criminals, it is ineffective and punishes your customers, not the criminals.

Criminals will have Mass Effect 3, without having Origin, with no DRM, for free, and they will get it days earlier than paying customers.

I still want to hear from EA why they stab their customers in the back like this.

And TW2 with no DRM was also pirated a huge amount even if not as high amount as those. However you have to remember one thing, what people steal the most is mostly based on player preference for types of games. FPS titles are stolen more because more people like FPs titles etc.

[Ryzaki]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Um, disagree.  Old DOS games installed on any computer without DRM.  There was NO protection.  Can't get much easier then that.

As to your last point, I always wonder how people do things on computers without knowing how to use them.  If you work in tech support for any amount of time, you would be amazed that people can find the power button.

...do you know *anything* about piracy? It rarely gets more complicated than what you're talking about because said copy protection is already stripped by the time the pirate gets it.

pirating DLC is where you sometimes need a little know how.

That's kind of sad.

Also: Spore.

Tough DRM.

Extremely high pirated game if not the most pirated game ever.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:46 .

[photographerleia]

slimgrin wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

If GOG manages to get new titles, then they will be BIG.

It will only be indie titles and games less than 4 yrs old. We won't see new titles. No publisher would do that, not yet.

I think they said three years old, but yeah.  Either way, I said newer.  As it is though, they did make a point of mentioning that should a new game wish to distribute though them, they would be open to it as long as the publisher conformed to GOG policies.

[teluial]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is semi-right in that I can play ME2 without loading Origin as one example. Only new games I think will require it. Just like how my copy of Skyrim requires Steam even though Morrowind might not.

But what if you buy a game through the service? If you buy a game through Steam, is it possible to run the game without launching Steam? Origin let's you do that. Haven't tried it for Steam.

Skyrim is the only title that I so far have bought which came as Steam included and can't play without logging into Steam (even if use offline mode still has to be running), I did buy DE:HR and linked it to Steam but that does not require running Steam to play (I think as haven't tried). ME2 doesn't require Origin to be running but ME3 might just like SKyrim with steam. I don't think can link old non EA games to Origin but I could be wrong and might very well be. I will see if possible later but I am sure will be same as Steam in that if bought elsewhere and not made by EA then won't need to run Origin on those. 

...

I haven't actually bought a game "direct" through Steam though so I cannot answer that question maybe someone else who has could regardless of if in offline mode or online mode but having to have Steam running in the background to play any games bought through Steam.

There are a couple of inaccuracies here.

• You can run almost any Steam game without running the Steam client, even if it uses SteamCloud etc.  If you chose to install desktop/startmenu short cuts, you can use those.  More directly, your games are stored in (default location) C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Steam\\steamapps\\common\\, and you can go to those game directories and launch them without Steam running.  A few Valve games are the only exception to this (Half Life 2, Portal 1/2, Team Fortress, Left 4 Dead 1/2).  Valve is basically showcasing the complete Steam distribution system with those game.  Valve games load fast and patch fast because of the "GCF" distribution format.  Most other games are distributed in "unpacked" form, for user and developer convenience.
• Skyrim does not, or at least should not, require logging in to Steam.  Logging in to Steam is necessary to sync with SteamCloud, such as to upload screenshots, save games, and configuration settings.  If you don't log in, your settings aren't synced until the next time you log in.  If it does /require/ a login, rather than just dismissibly prompting you, it's a bug.
• Mass Effect 2 does require logging into Origin.  However, requiring Origin login and authentication is not the same as running the Origin client.  The client is basically a store front like the Steam app.  The authentication system does not require it.  To split hairs, you don't actually have to log in to Origin to play the base ME2 game.  You have to log in to use any of the DLC.  If you had your squad equipped with the Collector rifle in your save game and restarted without logging into Origin, then your squad might not have the Collector rifle equipped.
• Offline mode is a little irritating.  You used to have to log in to Steam to enter Offline mode.  I believe they've fixed this at this point, but I still hear rumors about it not working right all the time.  Recently Steam's authentication servers went down for about 30 minutes and the interim solution posted to the Steam forums was to enter Offline Mode until the servers were restored, so it sounds like it's fixed.

[Savber100]

slimgrin wrote...

GoG has no software client. Steam does. Gog has no DRM. Steam does. Steam has repeatedly denied me acess to games when my internet crapped out, or bothered me with password requirements. GOG does nothing of the sort, because all that's on your PC is the game. It also runs old games that are initially incompatible with modern OS's. Maybe that was your problem. 

I hate Steam as much as any other bullsh*t client. I love GoG, because nothing goes on my PC but the game.


Edit - damn, I just fell for a troll.

Tsk.. I assure you that I;m not trolling. 

In all honesty, I'm not saying that Gog is bad just that I see so many people complain about Steam and Origins and how messy it is to use when from my personal experience I ironically had more trouble with Gog.

It might have just been a glitch. 

Sheesh, you CDPR fanboys really get jumpy whenever someone say anything negative in regards to their services and that's coming from a guy who really praises CDPR's business practices (with the exception of the recent $1000 charging for assumed pirates. Glad they dropped that). 

[PSUHammer]

slimgrin wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

GoG also only sells old games and only new release being TW2. You missed that one.

It's their business practises I am praising. GoG has set an example and they are one of the few game publishers to outright condemn SOPA and DRM.

I agree with you.  As a gamer who supports the industry through purchases, I love it when publishers treat paying customers as, well, "customers."

I admire CDProject's stance on DRM but, alas, I read that TW2 was one of the most pirated games of the year.  So, DRM may not hinder piracy, but conversly, developers/publishers doing right by the customer doesn't convert pirates, either.

[Von Delacroix]

Ryzaki wrote...
I still wonder how long it'll take for an Activision version of Origin to come out. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

not long Im sure

Modifié par Von Delacroix, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:43 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Stabbing us in the back implys we didn't see this coming.

More like spitting in our face and telling us to like it.

Neither knife in back or spitting going on. Their product their package how they wish to distribute it.

The feelings of "knife in back" or "spitting in face" is your feelings on the subject but not to be confused with their intentions.

[photographerleia]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

And TW2 with no DRM was also pirated a huge amount even if not as high amount as those. However you have to remember one thing, what people steal the most is mostly based on player preference for types of games. FPS titles are stolen more because more people like FPs titles etc.

Sure it was, but atleast those of us who paid hard earn money for it weren't punished for our purchase.  That is the difference.  Origin punishes paying customers, and DRM-Free does not.

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:45 .

[crimzontearz]

no seriously...anyone has an answer? a more thought out answer?

[anzolino]

Unbannable wrote...
All of this hate against Origin is really just the result of pure ignorance.

Origin isn't even a DRM solution, unline Steam. You can play a game without the service running at all. It's just a digital distribution, communication and multiplayer platform.

I really like this!

I always buy DVDs.
I won't communicate with whoever while I'm playing.
I'm a single player.

Again: What is the reason I have to use Origin?

[Rockworm503]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Stabbing us in the back implys we didn't see this coming.

More like spitting in our face and telling us to like it.

Neither knife in back or spitting going on. Their product their package how they wish to distribute it.

The feelings of "knife in back" or "spitting in face" is your feelings on the subject but not to be confused with their intentions.

Ok captain semantics.
EA is completely right in doing this because their intentions are true?