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#4301
Adugan

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anzolino wrote...

Unbannable wrote...
All of this hate against Origin is really just the result of pure ignorance.

Origin isn't even a DRM solution, unline Steam. You can play a game without the service running at all. It's just a digital distribution, communication and multiplayer platform.

I really like this!

I always buy DVDs.
I won't communicate with whoever while I'm playing.
I'm a single player.

Again: What is the reason I have to use Origin?


Because when you buy groceries, the store clerk has to follow you home and watch you eat them. You cant give your groceries to terrorists, thats bad.

#4302
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Ryzaki wrote...

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Um, disagree.  Old DOS games installed on any computer without DRM.  There was NO protection.  Can't get much easier then that.

As to your last point, I always wonder how people do things on computers without knowing how to use them.  If you work in tech support for any amount of time, you would be amazed that people can find the power button.


...do you know *anything* about Piracy? cause if you did you'd realize there are repacks which you could just install and play. Ala what you're talking about. Plus those tend to be smaller in size than the offical download.

That's kind of sad.

Also: Spore.

Tough DRM.

Extremely high pirated game if not the most pirated game ever.


Do you need to be condescending?

As for piracy, I only know about what I read as I don't engage in it.  Although I am pretty well versed in business and IT concepts, thanks.

If you are going to try to argue that it is easier to pirate games now then it was when people were downloading DRM free games on bulletin boards in the early 90's, you lost me.

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Okay, I skipped through half of the thread because I couldn't get an answer so I am asking again:

Can we uninstall Origin as soon as we have authorized the game? Yes or no?

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anzolino wrote...

Unbannable wrote...
All of this hate against Origin is really just the result of pure ignorance.

Origin isn't even a DRM solution, unline Steam. You can play a game without the service running at all. It's just a digital distribution, communication and multiplayer platform.

I really like this!

I always buy DVDs.
I won't communicate with whoever while I'm playing.
I'm a single player.

Again: What is the reason I have to use Origin?


Hmm.  this makes me wonder if they included multiplayer in ME3, just so they had some "valid" excuse for insisting that everyone install Origin.

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anzolino wrote...

Unbannable wrote...
All of this hate against Origin is really just the result of pure ignorance.

Origin isn't even a DRM solution, unline Steam. You can play a game without the service running at all. It's just a digital distribution, communication and multiplayer platform.

I really like this!

I always buy DVDs.
I won't communicate with whoever while I'm playing.
I'm a single player.

Again: What is the reason I have to use Origin?


Just shut it, grab your toes, and hold on tight. Like everyone else on PC. :happy:

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crimzontearz wrote...

no seriously...anyone has an answer? a more thought out answer?


On what? Your question I already answered. That is the most comon sense why they bundled with the biggest games. Bigger sellers means less risk because more people like it the less chance they will neglect it. That makes the most sense to me, if thats not the answer you want I'm not sure what answer you will be happy with.

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ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Okay, I skipped through half of the thread because I couldn't get an answer so I am asking again:

Can we uninstall Origin as soon as we have authorized the game? Yes or no?


No. You dont have to run it, but Origin has to be on your PC to launch ME3 and probably other games.

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[never mind] :pinched:

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:49 .


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ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Okay, I skipped through half of the thread because I couldn't get an answer so I am asking again:

Can we uninstall Origin as soon as we have authorized the game? Yes or no?


This question has been evaded by the staff for a long time. It's either they do not know the answer for it, or they do not want to say anything further to lose potential sales.

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Hammer6767 wrote...
Do you need to be condescending?

As for piracy, I only know about what I read as I don't engage in it.  Although I am pretty well versed in business and IT concepts, thanks.

If you are going to try to argue that it is easier to pirate games now then it was when people were downloading DRM free games on bulletin boards in the early 90's, you lost me.


Eh fine I'm in a weird mood and apparently misread. If you aren't trying to be condscending neither am I.

Anyways striping the protection has indeed gotten a lot harder. Getting a pirated game however? I'd say that's gotten vastly easier.  So if you're lost so be it. :P

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 janvier 2012 - 01:00 .


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ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Okay, I skipped through half of the thread because I couldn't get an answer so I am asking again:

Can we uninstall Origin as soon as we have authorized the game? Yes or no?


Given devs hasn't answered this yet, none of us know but it is unlikley imho. It will probably run in background like Steam. But don't take my work on it I am just guessing here on what would make most sense to me.

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
no seriously...anyone has an answer? a more thought out answer?

On what? Your question I already answered. That is the most comon sense why they bundled with the biggest games. Bigger sellers means less risk because more people like it the less chance they will neglect it. That makes the most sense to me, if thats not the answer you want I'm not sure what answer you will be happy with.



dude...considering which games do not require origin your argument would require more proof
again think of crysis 2

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Rockworm503 wrote...

Docjam wrote...

Something I want to point out:

http://kotaku.com/58...i-games-of-2011

Note that 2 of those 5 are origin exclusive.

Origin does not stop criminals, it is ineffective and punishes your customers, not the criminals.

Criminals will have Mass Effect 3, without having Origin, with no DRM, for free, and they will get it days earlier than paying customers.

I still want to hear from EA why they stab their customers in the back like this.


Stabbing us in the back implys we didn't see this coming.

More like spitting in our face and telling us to like it.


And I just had the image of a grown man spitting in a boy's face and yelling "Like it!" over and over.

...classic.

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crimzontearz wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
I gotta ask....given that other games published by EA do not require Origin, what exactly makes them decide which game to saddle with it?

The biggest sellers.


seriously? because Crysis was INCREDIBLY pirated....crysis 2 sold very well yet no Origin


Crysis sold very well, much better than any Bioware game (considering it was PC exclusive).

Crysis 2 is not Origin exclusive, because it was released before EA and Valve break up. 

The era of Origin-exclusive games started with BF3. 

Modifié par Alex_SM, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:53 .


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Alex_SM wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
I gotta ask....given that other games published by EA do not require Origin, what exactly makes them decide which game to saddle with it?

The biggest sellers.


seriously? because Crysis was INCREDIBLY pirated....crysis 2 sold very well yet no Origin


Crysis sold very well, much better than any Bioware game (considering it was PC exclusive).

Crysis 2 is not Origin exclusive, because it was released before EA and Valve break up. 


My lappy doesn't like Crysis. :crying:

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photographerleia wrote...
Hmm. this makes me wonder if they included multiplayer in ME3, just so they had some "valid" excuse for insisting that everyone install Origin.

How many ME3 gamer will play MP? 50%? It should be optional though.

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Ryzaki wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
I gotta ask....given that other games published by EA do not require Origin, what exactly makes them decide which game to saddle with it?

The biggest sellers.


seriously? because Crysis was INCREDIBLY pirated....crysis 2 sold very well yet no Origin


Crysis sold very well, much better than any Bioware game (considering it was PC exclusive).

Crysis 2 is not Origin exclusive, because it was released before EA and Valve break up. 


My lappy doesn't like Crysis. :crying:


Crysis is made for higher-up computers, or at least it WAS. Plus laptops never run games as well as desktops do.

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I put Origin on a laptop I haven't used since I got my Ipad. I'm gonna look into what it does myself.

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Adugan wrote..

Crysis is made for higher-up computers, or at least it WAS. Plus laptops never run games as well as desktops do.


My Lappy is high end. D: 

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[quote]Chris Priestly wrote...
4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers. [/quote]

1.  Steam doesn't limit your ability to patch,  in fact,  it automates it.

2.  Steam doesn't limit your ability to offer DLC,  there are a large number of Steam games with DLC.  What it does is makes you give them a cut for using their service,  which is perfectly understandable since you're using their servers and their bandwidth.

3.  If you want to provide the best possible experience,  perhaps you should've offered it on the best possible digital service?  The one with 40 million users?

I also find it in very poor taste that you attack Steam and Valve like this because you wanted to offer DLC's outside of the network and avoid Steam's fees.

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6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware.  Is this true?
Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s machines.  In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin folder.   This is an ordinary Windows function, not an information-gathering process.
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Of course,  there was the whole clause in the original Origins EULA that gave EA the ability to search everything,  and the last time I looked at the EULA it still retained the ability to search all Software,  which by definition is every single bit on a drive.

Of course,  I'll be happy to accept your explanation if you would post a copy of the source that shows what you describe is accurate,  or a link to an MSDN API page that shows that a built-in call will cause this behavior.

Until then,  this appears to be shennanagins to me,  especially considering your next comment... 

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7) Has the Origin EULA been updated following recent questions in Germany?
The German Origin EULA has been updated.  For more information, please review the Origin EULA here: http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas.
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Isn't it interesting you had to ammend the EULA to avoid problems for doing what you just told me you weren't doing?

As I said.  Post either a copy of that section of the source,  or a link to an MSDN API showing that a call will trigger the directories to be accessed.
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Modifié par Gatt9, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:57 .


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Von Delacroix

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Alex_SM wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
I gotta ask....given that other games published by EA do not require Origin, what exactly makes them decide which game to saddle with it?

The biggest sellers.


seriously? because Crysis was INCREDIBLY pirated....crysis 2 sold very well yet no Origin


Crysis sold very well, much better than any Bioware game (considering it was PC exclusive).

Crysis 2 is not Origin exclusive, because it was released before EA and Valve break up. 

The era of Origin-exclusive games started with BF3. 



true, but it was pulled from steam, and everyone at the time said it was all because of origin, true or not.  its technically still not origin exlusive becuase I could go to the store right now and buy it, and not have to deal with the origin BS, really all I really want, I can live without steam, no matter how convenient it is.

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Ryzaki wrote...

Adugan wrote..

Crysis is made for higher-up computers, or at least it WAS. Plus laptops never run games as well as desktops do.


My Lappy is high end. D: 


Trying to run Crysis on a Macbook, huh?

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Adugan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Adugan wrote..

Crysis is made for higher-up computers, or at least it WAS. Plus laptops never run games as well as desktops do.


My Lappy is high end. D: 


Trying to run Crysis on a Macbook, huh?


I have an Asus.Try again. :P

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:58 .


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Incognito JC wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...
Okay, I skipped through half of the thread because I couldn't get an answer so I am asking again:

Can we uninstall Origin as soon as we have authorized the game? Yes or no?

This question has been evaded by the staff for a long time. It's either they do not know the answer for it, or they do not want to say anything further to lose potential sales.

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Given devs hasn't answered this yet, none of us know but it is unlikley imho. It will probably run in background like Steam. But don't take my work on it I am just guessing here on what would make most sense to me.


So I noticed. I thought maybe it was answered somewhere and I just couldn't find it.

My guess is no, so I cancel my preorder (again). Oh ME3, what would I have given to play you, but this is too much to ask. :crying:

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:59 .


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Rockworm503 wrote...

Ok captain semantics.
EA is completely right in doing this because their intentions are true?  :lol:


:D 

I'm not saying that but I'm just saying I don't think their intention was to screw us over but instead to push their client they wish to compete with Steam using in the up and coming years. However I have no major problems with using Origin, in fact do use it aswell as steam and Ubisofts version. It currently no longer scans anywhere except registry and game folders. It sends less data from my computer than the rival client of Steam (even without being Opted In to extra data sending of surveys in Steam) and is less annoying to use than say Ubisofts version. The EULA in every client regardless of Steam, Ubisoft or Origin has the same wording about possible to change EULA at their discretion).

I don't think there is anything can be done to appease those who hate all possible clients though. This will not change and EA will not scrap using Origin as it is part of their long term plans and goals to have a digital distribution service like Steam. I think we all know this to be the case. I belive (though have no proof) the reason they use the biggest titles of the years like BF3 and ME3 for pushing the distribution of their client is because for whatever group of people hate it, on the biggest titles they are by a truly vast amount outnumbered by those who wish to play those 'best' games. Due to this ME3 will not make much loss of sales in comparrison to the millions who are not as opposed.