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[Dragoonlordz]

CoolHandLukeSkywalks wrote...

I was really looking forward to ME3, but I'm not installing Origin. It's been something like 10 years since I've pirated a game, and EA and Origin are the reason I will illegally download ME3. Good job turning a paying customer into a software pirate.

And your admission will now force more DRM on to the rest of us so thanks for that. /Sarcasm

[SnakeStrike8]

outlaw1109 wrote...

Leaser Resael wrote...


Who wants to bet that if ME3 on PC doesn't sell well EA will blame piracy?

IF ME3 PC doesn't sell well, I may have a heart attack.

DA2 (don't flame me!) had a metric crap ton of bad publicity before its release and, even though sales weren't astronomical, they couldn't have been terrible given the rumors of DA3, so I think its safe to assume that the ME name on its own will surpass sales expectations despite "setbacks".

IF it doesn't sell well, I guarantee they'll blame piracy/the PC market....

Even worse, they'll use bad PC sales as an excuse to claim that 'RPG gamers have shifted to consoles!' and force Bioware into console only development. Before long Bioware will become one of the console-only developer types.

[MrFob]

Well, I don't like it but this is really no surprise. None at all. After BF3, it was clear (to me at least) that I'd have to get Origin to play ME3. So be it. I'll contain it as much as possible.
Origin really isn't such a big deal for me, neither is EAs policy to promote it via Battle Field and Mass Effect. Seriously, would Steam be as successful as it is today with valve forcing it onto everyone who wanted to play Half Life 2 back in 2004? Probably not so why shouldn't EA do the same thing?
The only thing I really hold against EA is the way they tried to sneak an unacceptable EULA into the install process and hoped all the gamers in the world would be too dumb to even notice. Well they did notice and they don't even have the decency to nuke this problem and patch their program to eliminate any doubts about the data collection practices of their software. That' the outrage IMO and that is why I will use ever tool available to not give them a shred of info.
I will not pass on ME3 but I will sure as hell not let them upload any data if i can help it.

Apart from that issue, I don't see why Origin should be treated any differently from the Ubi-Launcher, Steam or any other online portal we already have to use.

[Metalrocks]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

They don't understand or Valve&EA would have come to an agreement.

€A just wants more money and force everyone to use origin. valve dint agree with these terms so of course they dint come with an agreement.
thats what me and many others understand when we read news like this http://www.escapistm...-Miss-at-Launch

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

I think everybody who's against origin due to it being spyware , needs to download it and install it for yourself. I did so I can see what id actually does for my yourself.

[Dragoonlordz]

Daeel wrote...

People supporting origin: 

I don't think you get it.

I don't think 'you' get it. Just because not everyone feels the same way as you about something does not make them wrong or that they misunderstand what it means [to them]. 

[Daeel]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

People supporting origin: 

I don't think you get it.

It's about drawing the line. had people not made this big fuss about INVADING OUR PRIVACY and STEALING OUR INFORMATION. EA games would've kept that feature in and huk huk all the way to the bank. I'm sure you wouldn't understand, but get this, let companies get away with minor things and it WILL build up quickly.

I also will not be buying Mass Effect 3 for PC. This origin nonsense is the last straw. The dlc crap was one thing, and now this? No thank you. There's too many other companies out there that want my money, and they aren't as evil.



Also I should mention that a lot of you guys are seperating EA games and Bioware. Stop doing this. They knew what they were signing on for. They deserve equal blame.

First , saying it again orgin does not use any private files or information(facebook and other online services do).Origin collects non-private data like ip address to optimize the connection , computer hardware/software , and if you have a legal copy that's not hacked.

And I'm telling you again. That I do not care if origin shts out rainbows and kittens. When a company forces me to use their programs just to play a game that is more than enough reason for me to protest the program. Then you add on the whole it "use" to spy on you and the EULA allows it to spy on you and send your information and you lose me as a customer. Honestly. 

I mark my line here. Anyone who does not agree with this practice should do the same. The only thing companies understand is dollars. Stop supporting them. Let their console fanboys feed them. PC has far too much options to cry over one game.

[Adugan]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I think everybody who's against origin due to it being spyware , needs to download it and install it for yourself. I did so I can see what id actually does for my yourself.

It USED to be spyware before people noticed. Now EA changed it, because you would have to be the worst kind of stupid to keep doing something bad when there are people watching.

[outlaw1109]

Aaleel wrote...

I put Origin on a laptop so I could study it for myself. Doesn't seem to be doing anything outside it's folder so far. Had it running a few hours. Only question is do I feel like spending time monitoring it.

Have had origin since the release of the BF3 beta and was initially doing the same thing.  I monitored it on one screen while playing on another and it didn't do anything out of the ordinary.

Now, I have given up.  Unless it has a time release feature, where it waits a week before collecting your bank information, I'm not worried...

CoolHandLukeSkywalks wrote...

I was really looking forward to ME3, but I'm not installing Origin. It's been something like 10 years since I've pirated a game, and EA and Origin are the reason I will illegally download ME3. Good job turning a paying customer into a software pirate.

Technically, they didn't turn you into one.  Whatever made you pirate in the past turned you into one, EA may have made you go back to it...also, that'll really teach them.  I'm sure they'll cry a single tear just for you when they're counting the millions they make off the game.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Metalrocks wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

They don't understand or Valve&EA would have come to an agreement.

€A just wants more money and force everyone to use origin. valve dint agree with these terms so of course they dint come with an agreement.
thats what me and many others understand when we read news like this http://www.escapistm...-Miss-at-Launch

Of course EA wants money , buisness wise it makes sense not to launch on a rival's platform.Valve will pretty much undercut any profit made from them , that's why their launching on origin and other digital places.

[Ryzaki]

Adugan wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I think everybody who's against origin due to it being spyware , needs to download it and install it for yourself. I did so I can see what id actually does for my yourself.

It USED to be spyware before people noticed. Now EA changed it, because you would have to be the worst kind of stupid to keep doing something bad when there are people watching.

Aye.

[Dragoonlordz]

Metalrocks wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

They don't understand or Valve&EA would have come to an agreement.

€A just wants more money and force everyone to use origin. valve dint agree with these terms so of course they dint come with an agreement.
thats what me and many others understand when we read news like this http://www.escapistm...-Miss-at-Launch

You think for one second Steam doesn't want it because it is more customer and more money in their pocket then your mistaken.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:05 .

[SnakeStrike8]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I think everybody who's against origin due to it being spyware , needs to download it and install it for yourself. I did so I can see what id actually does for my yourself.

Everyone doesn't have the technical chops to track what folders Origin sniffs around in. I certainly don't.
Which is why I don't store intel like that on my gaming computer! Sniff away, EA! See how often I play Age of Wonders! And have some tea while you're here!

[outlaw1109]

[quote]SnakeStrike8 wrote...


Everyone doesn't have the technical chops to track what folders Origin sniffs around in. I certainly don't.
Which is why I don't store intel like that on my gaming computer! Sniff away, EA! See how often I play Age of Wonders! And have some tea while you're here![/quote]



Lol.  I felt the same way, but I have the "tech chops" as you said and watched anyway.  I mean, really, have a look at my midget porn, I don't mind, but I wanted to catch em doing it....

[quote]Edit

BTW, it was a waste of time "watching" Origin NOT access anything beyond its directory....

Modifié par outlaw1109, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:09 .

[Metalrocks]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Killitngrillit wrote...

At least they have changed it that you still can play the games even when the connection is lost.

Odd because I was playing a Ubisoft title HoMM6 only week or so ago and when lost connection lost everything I had done for hours.

thats weird. i dint lose anything when i have played AC2 and suddenly my connection dropped out on me and i flew out of the game. but since brotherhood, they have changed it. i had few drop outs and i was still able to play the game.

[Bogsnot1]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
First , saying it again orgin does not use any private files or information(facebook and other online services do).Origin collects non-private data like ip address to optimize the connection , computer hardware/software , and if you have a legal copy that's not hacked.

Read the EULA. By agreeing to it, you give them the right to snoop through your system for all hardware and software information, and usage.
Combine your IP address, MAC address, software usage, and gods only know what else, the data you end up with can be used to personally identify you. Especially once you start cross referencing IP addresses with Social Networking accounts.

Before you go along and claim "just because you give them the right, doesnt mean they will actually spy on you", just remember that the US constitution gives its citizens the right to bear arms, and also that a lot of those citizens use that right to blow each others faces off.

Rights -will- get abused, sooner or later.
I'd rather cover my arse today, than have to go in and see a proctologist tomorrow.

[Daeel]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...



Of course EA wants money , buisness wise it makes sense not to launch on a rival's platform.Valve will pretty much undercut any profit made from them , that's why their launching on origin and other digital places.

Are you off your rockers? Or do you not understand how ergonomics work? They aren't losing money to Valve, they are losing money. period.

steam takes what? 30% of their money but brings in a chunk load of sales. Trust me it more than evens out. EA games will be losing money for this manuver. I only have to wonder what the people down in marketing are thinking.

If you want to enter into the digital distribution game, do so. Trying to cram it down our throats is however, not the way.

Modifié par Daeel, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:10 .

[Harley_Dude]

Any info regarding mods and Origin? Steam works wth Skyboost which is must have for a lot of Skyrim players. Origin may disable these types of enhancements.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

People supporting origin: 

I don't think you get it.

It's about drawing the line. had people not made this big fuss about INVADING OUR PRIVACY and STEALING OUR INFORMATION. EA games would've kept that feature in and huk huk all the way to the bank. I'm sure you wouldn't understand, but get this, let companies get away with minor things and it WILL build up quickly.

I also will not be buying Mass Effect 3 for PC. This origin nonsense is the last straw. The dlc crap was one thing, and now this? No thank you. There's too many other companies out there that want my money, and they aren't as evil.



Also I should mention that a lot of you guys are seperating EA games and Bioware. Stop doing this. They knew what they were signing on for. They deserve equal blame.

First , saying it again orgin does not use any private files or information(facebook and other online services do).Origin collects non-private data like ip address to optimize the connection , computer hardware/software , and if you have a legal copy that's not hacked.

And I'm telling you again. That I do not care if origin shts out rainbows and kittens. When a company forces me to use their programs just to play a game that is more than enough reason for me to protest the program. Then you add on the whole it "use" to spy on you and the EULA allows it to spy on you and send your information and you lose me as a customer. Honestly. 

I mark my line here. Anyone who does not agree with this practice should do the same. The only thing companies understand is dollars. Stop supporting them. Let their console fanboys feed them. PC has far too much options to cry over one game.

I'm big on privacy my self it's why i don't use facebook like services , but the eula clearly says that they don't use private data of any kind.So to say they do is mis-informing people and I'm not the company fanboy either.If origin is taking peoples private information , that's see the proof and do something about.

If you hate origin , that's fine as long as it isn't based on false information that is baseless.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:10 .

[Docjam]

Leaser Resael wrote...

"Bioware listens to it's fans" Well, let's see:

-Hiding MP for months when everyone knew about it.

-A year showing only combat (Still wating for a Pulse episode about the RPG side of the game... if there is one that is) when there was a considerable amount of people asking to see other aspects of the game (Pulse episodes about sound and VO were good, the last one about writers wast just meh, nothing, and I mean it, NOTHING new was revealed or said).

-Kinect, who asked for this? I mean, really. (No, I'm not talking about Microsoft)

-No PC keyboard shorcuts for the menus... Really Bioware? 2012 and you can't put that simple feature? We know that the game will be a port, but just please, even ME1 had it.

and now...

-Origin... is there more to say?

Yeah, definitely Bioware listens to it's fans.
And to everyone who wants to reply to me, do it in a PM so we can discuss it without going off topic. This is just MY opinion about Bioware and EA. If you don't agree, I really don't care.

Who wants to bet that if ME3 on PC doesn't sell well EA will blame piracy?

That's the real suckerpunch, if the game sells less than 2 million copies on PC they'll consider it millions of copies pirated so they'll just abuse their paying customers more with even worse DRM.

It's truly pants on head retarded.

Origin will cause them to lose sales but it will not cause them to gain sales.

I can't think of a single person who would ever be on the fence about buying a game and go "Oh, they announced Origin will be required for all PC versions of the game, well, that settles it, I'm making my pre-order now, it's a good thing Origin requirement was announced, there's no way I'd buy the game if I could just buy it in a brick and mortar store and install it and play it, or buy it over steam, it MUST require Origin or I will not be a satisfied customer!"

But thousands of people cancelling preorders and saying they will not buy the game due to origin requirement, and thousands more who won't buy it if it's not on steam?

It makes no sense.  Even if the game still sells millions to people who don't give a rats arse about privacy and security, they're still losing thousands of sales to what benefit?

It's a simple logic failure we're talking here:

Will Origin gain us sales we otherwise wouldn't have had?  False.

Will Origin make us lose sales we otherwise would have had?  True.

Well we'd better require Origin then!

Makes no sense.

[photographerleia]

Daeel wrote...
If you want to enter into the digital distribution game, do so. Trying to cram it down our throats is however, not the way.

Especially when people have been MORE than vocal about not wanting Origin for months now ...  this recent announcement is like a slap in the face.  They might as well have just said  "We do not care about what our customers think.  Everything you say goes in one ear and out the other."

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:12 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Metalrocks wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Killitngrillit wrote...

At least they have changed it that you still can play the games even when the connection is lost.

Odd because I was playing a Ubisoft title HoMM6 only week or so ago and when lost connection lost everything I had done for hours.

thats weird. i dint lose anything when i have played AC2 and suddenly my connection dropped out on me and i flew out of the game. but since brotherhood, they have changed it. i had few drop outs and i was still able to play the game.

It's the reason I haven't played HoMM6 since then. I will play it again at some point but yes, that is what happened to me as I described. Maybe it is different per title. I don't know I just know while it hasn't put me off forever using it, it really did annoy me losing so much game play time from not being able to save.

The exact message I believe was "You have been disconnected from Conflex, we are returning you to front menu" or something very close to that. Did not allow me to save, just booted me while playing single player campaign.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...



Of course EA wants money , buisness wise it makes sense not to launch on a rival's platform.Valve will pretty much undercut any profit made from them , that's why their launching on origin and other digital places.

Are you off your rockers? Or do you not understand how ergonomics work? They aren't losing money to Valve, they are losing money. period.

steam takes what? 30% of their money but brings in a chunk load of sales. Trust me it more than evens out. EA games will be losing money for this manuver. I only have to wonder what the people down in marketing are thinking.

If you want to enter into the digital distribution game, do so. Trying to cram it down our throats is however, not the way.

So you really Valve wouldn't try to undercut on profit for using their platform.I don't know what to tell you friend , but that's part of what's going on.The other part is they couldn't work out a deal with them , so it's origin. direct2drive and others.

[Sundance31us]

outlaw1109 wrote...
Now, I have given up.  Unless it has a time release feature, where it waits a week before collecting your bank information, I'm not worried...

If I had to hazard a guess on what it (or any EA game) collected I would say that it’s the systeminformation.xml file, which seems to be in all the C:\\Documents and Settings\\user\\My Documents\\BioWare game folders.

Since most, if not all, the information in the file relates to system requirements for the game or something the game would need to run I am not surprised.