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[Wintersembrace]

gotta love how people defend origin it DID scan folders/files other then ones related to itself. not saying it sent data back to them and I'm not saying it does it now.
But Ea track record speaks for itself poor customer service,Ban's that stop people accessing there games(sp) or in extreme case account deletion.
lot of little things contributed to my canceling my pre-orders (yea i had ordered 2 copy's of the CE) so hopefully they will reconsider releasing it without the need to use ether steam or origin but outta those to i would prefer steam

[Daeel]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...



Of course EA wants money , buisness wise it makes sense not to launch on a rival's platform.Valve will pretty much undercut any profit made from them , that's why their launching on origin and other digital places.

Are you off your rockers? Or do you not understand how ergonomics work? They aren't losing money to Valve, they are losing money. period.

steam takes what? 30% of their money but brings in a chunk load of sales. Trust me it more than evens out. EA games will be losing money for this manuver. I only have to wonder what the people down in marketing are thinking.

If you want to enter into the digital distribution game, do so. Trying to cram it down our throats is however, not the way.

So you really Valve wouldn't try to undercut on profit for using their platform.I don't know what to tell you friend , but that's part of what's going on.The other part is they couldn't work out a deal with them , so it's origin. direct2drive and others.

Everyother corporation on the planet has worked out a deal with steam.

 Do not ****** in my cereal and tell me it's frosting.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Sundance31us wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...
Now, I have given up.  Unless it has a time release feature, where it waits a week before collecting your bank information, I'm not worried...

If I had to hazard a guess on what it (or any EA game) collected I would say that it’s the systeminformation.xml file, which seems to be in all the C:Documents and SettingsuserMy DocumentsBioWare game folders.

Since most, if not all, the information in the file relates to system requirements for the game or something the game would need to run I am not surprised.

Even if they do have the banking information , it would be because the consumer entered on their.Their not going to go looking for the information illegally , upload it and start charging your account.

[Adugan]

 The real question to ask here, is what if you dont WANT exceptional customer service and the best gaming experience? 

According to EA,

All information we collect with Origin and use is to ensure that our customers have the easiest possible access to their games while enjoying the full service and the best gaming experience that EA has to offer.

What if I just want decent access, mediocre service and a regular gaming experience? It isnt like EA bends over backwards to provide us with good service anyway, so why should I sacrifice my personal information for something that doesnt seem to have a benefit?

Cant I just opt out and not get those improved service features?

Modifié par Adugan, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:18 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...



Of course EA wants money , buisness wise it makes sense not to launch on a rival's platform.Valve will pretty much undercut any profit made from them , that's why their launching on origin and other digital places.

Are you off your rockers? Or do you not understand how ergonomics work? They aren't losing money to Valve, they are losing money. period.

steam takes what? 30% of their money but brings in a chunk load of sales. Trust me it more than evens out. EA games will be losing money for this manuver. I only have to wonder what the people down in marketing are thinking.

If you want to enter into the digital distribution game, do so. Trying to cram it down our throats is however, not the way.

So you really Valve wouldn't try to undercut on profit for using their platform.I don't know what to tell you friend , but that's part of what's going on.The other part is they couldn't work out a deal with them , so it's origin. direct2drive and others.

Everyother corporation on the planet has worked out a deal with steam.

 Do not ****** in my cereal and tell me it's frosting.

Does every other company have their own digital platform their trying to establish , because I just think they would be doing the same thing EA is doing.

[Dragoonlordz]

Sundance31us wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...
Now, I have given up.  Unless it has a time release feature, where it waits a week before collecting your bank information, I'm not worried...

If I had to hazard a guess on what it (or any EA game) collected I would say that it’s the systeminformation.xml file, which seems to be in all the C:Documents and SettingsuserMy DocumentsBioWare game folders.

Since most, if not all, the information in the file relates to system requirements for the game or something the game would need to run I am not surprised.

We can't see what it sends but what we do know is what it scans as of right now on the current client. That is registry and only the game and Origin folders. Now if you know what they look at then you know roughly what "could" send, that is registry information (possibly), game folder and Origin folder information (probably) and lastly such things as IP address and maybe system specifications. The last two things it does not show as looking it when running the tests but it would make sense to me they might send those two items as well.

The "what if's" and trust issue, Steam which people trust more actually sends more information when ran the test (even when opt out or do not opt in) than Origin so if anything I trust Steam less, much less. However I am not anti-client like some so I do not mind using Steam and Origin plus Ubisofts one. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:22 .

[Daeel]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...


I'm big on privacy my self it's why i don't use facebook like services , but the eula clearly says that they don't use private data of any kind.So to say they do is mis-informing people and I'm not the company fanboy either.If origin is taking peoples private information , that's see the proof and do something about.

If you hate origin , that's fine as long as it isn't based on false information that is baseless.

Where is this baseless information? Only a fool thinks a company that forces you to use their program, spied on you before. Is going to play "nice" now. Which doesn't matter to me, anyways. They've lost their chance. I don't know who over at the executors office thought it was a good deal to screw around with paying customers but let me set the record straight. I'm not buying Mass Effect 3.

You also seem to be forgetting my main point. my main gripe is them FORCING US to install their ****ty product even with a RETAIL copy. There is no need for that other than to shove their inferior program down my throat.

I get it, they want to advertise their new program but this is a nasty tactic, and will not support it.

Modifié par Daeel, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:19 .

[outlaw1109]

Yeah, like I said, it's not doing anything crazy like accessing folders that are beyond the normal directories.

Who knows, in a few years people might throw stones at me and say, "Oh, look, it's Outlaw, he's one of the people responsible for plugging in the Origin Overlord, Oh, what he tool he is, he's the reason I have to spend all day computing PI."

[Docjam]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I think everybody who's against origin due to it being spyware , needs to download it and install it for yourself. I did so I can see what id actually does for my yourself.

That is the most faulty logic I've ever seen.

"Hey this guy shows it was spyware at one point in time"

"Go download it yourself and see if it's true!"

Why would ANYONE intentionally put suspected malware or spyware on their machine?

It goes back to the analogy of the registered sex offender living next door to you.  He claims he's reformed now, but would you trust him around your children alone?  Would you let your children walk past his house on the way from school without watching them?

There's a level of trust that has been broken, it can never be regained.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Adugan wrote...

 The real question to ask here, is what if you dont WANT exceptional customer service and the best gaming experience? 

According to EA,

All information we collect with Origin and use is to ensure that our customers have the easiest possible access to their games while enjoying the full service and the best gaming experience that EA has to offer.

What if I just want decent access, mediocre service and a regular gaming experience? It isnt like EA bends over backwards to provide us with good service anyway, so why should I sacrifice my personal information for something that doesnt seem to have a benefit?

Cant I just opt out and not get those improved service features?

They should have an opt-out , but it may take time for them to add one like steam has.Steam's been around for awhile , Origins really hasn't.

[Ryzaki]

Docjam wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I think everybody who's against origin due to it being spyware , needs to download it and install it for yourself. I did so I can see what id actually does for my yourself.

That is the most faulty logic I've ever seen.

"Hey this guy shows it was spyware at one point in time"

"Go download it yourself and see if it's true!"

Why would ANYONE intentionally put suspected malware or spyware on their machine?

It goes back to the analogy of the registered sex offender living next door to you.  He claims he's reformed now, but would you trust him around your children alone?  Would you let your children walk past his house on the way from school without watching them?

There's a level of trust that has been broken, it can never be regained.

I wouldn't say never but EA is gonna have to work for it and not just this "but but the game you want!" crap.

[Daeel]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...



Of course EA wants money , buisness wise it makes sense not to launch on a rival's platform.Valve will pretty much undercut any profit made from them , that's why their launching on origin and other digital places.

Are you off your rockers? Or do you not understand how ergonomics work? They aren't losing money to Valve, they are losing money. period.

steam takes what? 30% of their money but brings in a chunk load of sales. Trust me it more than evens out. EA games will be losing money for this manuver. I only have to wonder what the people down in marketing are thinking.

If you want to enter into the digital distribution game, do so. Trying to cram it down our throats is however, not the way.

So you really Valve wouldn't try to undercut on profit for using their platform.I don't know what to tell you friend , but that's part of what's going on.The other part is they couldn't work out a deal with them , so it's origin. direct2drive and others.

Everyother corporation on the planet has worked out a deal with steam.

 Do not ****** in my cereal and tell me it's frosting.

Does every other company have their own digital platform their trying to establish , because I just think they would be doing the same thing EA is doing.

That's why companies aren't to be trusted. I get it, EA games is just as evil as the rest of them. What I don't understand is why this is a defence? I'm not putting up with it. 

I will repeat, had we just laid down and let EA ram us with spyware it would. still. be. there. We have to push back, or they will, once they get a decent hold into the digital distribution business, re-start the spyware. 

[Metalrocks]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It's the reason I haven't played HoMM6 since then. I will play it again at some point but yes, that is what happened to me as I described. Maybe it is different per title. I don't know I just know while it hasn't put me off forever using it, it really did annoy me losing so much game play time from not being able to save.

The exact message I believe was "You have been disconnected from Conflex, we are returning you to front menu" or something very close to that. Did not allow me to save, just booted me while playing single player campaign.

maybe it does depends on the title. i dont know. at least with AC (these are actually the only ubisoft titles i have useing  their DRM), it really makes a autosave for every box i open, every tower im on... pretty much every step i make has been saved. so i had no problem to continue from where i have left stop playing.
im sorry to hear you had this problem. hope it will not happen again.

anyway, we get offtopic here.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...


I'm big on privacy my self it's why i don't use facebook like services , but the eula clearly says that they don't use private data of any kind.So to say they do is mis-informing people and I'm not the company fanboy either.If origin is taking peoples private information , that's see the proof and do something about.

If you hate origin , that's fine as long as it isn't based on false information that is baseless.

Where is this baseless information? Only a fool thinks a company that forces you to use their program, spied on you before. Is going to play "nice" now. Which doesn't matter to me, anyways. They've lost their chance. I don't know who over at the executors office thought it was a good deal to screw around with paying customers but let me set the record straight. I'm not buying Mass Effect 3.

You also seem to be forgetting my main point. my main gripe is them FORCING US to install their ****ty product even with a RETAIL copy. There is no need for that other than to shove their inferior program down my throat.

I get it, they want to advertise their new program but this is a nasty tactic, and will not support it.

Ok , but you activate it once through origins then your free to uninstall as far as the SP goes(which is what everyone cares about.)They haven't forced you to do anything , in the end it's your choice either you agree or you don't.

[Incognito JC]

Ryzaki wrote...

not just this "but but the game you want!" crap.

They are more on "the game you want, bend over".

[Dragoonlordz]

outlaw1109 wrote...

Yeah, like I said, it's not doing anything crazy like accessing folders that are beyond the normal directories.

Who knows, in a few years people might throw stones at me and say, "Oh, look, it's Outlaw, he's one of the people responsible for plugging in the Origin Overlord, Oh, what he tool he is, he's the reason I have to spend all day computing PI."

Do not worry about it, there are enough people who feel the same that they would have to spread their blame pretty thin on all of us.

[Daeel]

I sure hope EA games is paying you fanboys. I can't think of one logical reason to defend a corporation so dead set on squeezing every last penny out of their loyal customers.

I hope the compensation is worth your souls Biodroids.

Modifié par Daeel, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:27 .

[Adugan]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Adugan wrote...

 The real question to ask here, is what if you dont WANT exceptional customer service and the best gaming experience? 

According to EA,

All information we collect with Origin and use is to ensure that our customers have the easiest possible access to their games while enjoying the full service and the best gaming experience that EA has to offer.

What if I just want decent access, mediocre service and a regular gaming experience? It isnt like EA bends over backwards to provide us with good service anyway, so why should I sacrifice my personal information for something that doesnt seem to have a benefit?

Cant I just opt out and not get those improved service features?

They should have an opt-out , but it may take time for them to add one like steam has.Steam's been around for awhile , Origins really hasn't.

If they followed common logic, they would have done that right after the Origin scandal. So far they are just denying everything and rewording the EULA.

[outlaw1109]

Docjam wrote...



It goes back to the analogy of the registered sex offender living next door to you.  He claims he's reformed now, but would you trust him around your children alone?  Would you let your children walk past his house on the way from school without watching them?

There's a level of trust that has been broken, it can never be regained.

That depends...I wouldn't say this guy has broken any trust...the same goes for the internet.  Trust but verify...

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...



Of course EA wants money , buisness wise it makes sense not to launch on a rival's platform.Valve will pretty much undercut any profit made from them , that's why their launching on origin and other digital places.

Are you off your rockers? Or do you not understand how ergonomics work? They aren't losing money to Valve, they are losing money. period.

steam takes what? 30% of their money but brings in a chunk load of sales. Trust me it more than evens out. EA games will be losing money for this manuver. I only have to wonder what the people down in marketing are thinking.

If you want to enter into the digital distribution game, do so. Trying to cram it down our throats is however, not the way.

So you really Valve wouldn't try to undercut on profit for using their platform.I don't know what to tell you friend , but that's part of what's going on.The other part is they couldn't work out a deal with them , so it's origin. direct2drive and others.

Everyother corporation on the planet has worked out a deal with steam.

 Do not ****** in my cereal and tell me it's frosting.

Does every other company have their own digital platform their trying to establish , because I just think they would be doing the same thing EA is doing.

That's why companies aren't to be trusted. I get it, EA games is just as evil as the rest of them. What I don't understand is why this is a defence? I'm not putting up with it. 

I will repeat, had we just laid down and let EA ram us with spyware it would. still. be. there. We have to push back, or they will, once they get a decent hold into the digital distribution business, re-start the spyware. 

Ea would but that's why we have laws , if they start taking private data / uploading the data and it would be reported along with them be sued.I guarntee when a judge get's through with them they won't be able to do it again , but that's assuming that's what their doing.All their doing is scanning the origin folder nothing more and nothing less.

[Sundance31us]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
We can't see what it sends but what we do know is what it scans as of right now on the current client. That is registry and only the game and Origin folders. Now if you know what they look at then you know roughly what "could" send, that is registry information (possibly), game folder and Origin folder information (probably) and lastly such things as IP address and maybe system specifications. The last two things it does not show as looking it when running the tests but it would make sense to me they might send those two items as well.

IP address and system specifications are in the systeminformation.xml file, which is also time stamped. It fits with what the EA EULAs say, "When you play this game offline, EA and its affiliates may collect and store non-personally identifiable data including your Internet Protocol Address as well as game play and software usage statistics. If and when you access online features and/or services, this data may be transmitted to EA."

Full text Mass Effect EULA -- http://eacom.s3.amaz...ffect 2_All.pdf

[photographerleia]

Daeel wrote...
You also seem to be forgetting my main point. my main gripe is them FORCING US to install their ****ty product even with a RETAIL copy. There is no need for that other than to shove their inferior program down my throat.

I get it, they want to advertise their new program but this is a nasty tactic, and will not support it.

This.  If I want their client I would buy from Origin.  If I don't want their client I would buy retail ... oh wait.  

[Leaser Resael]

Docjam wrote...

Leaser Resael wrote...

"Bioware listens to it's fans" Well, let's see:

-Hiding MP for months when everyone knew about it.

-A year showing only combat (Still wating for a Pulse episode about the RPG side of the game... if there is one that is) when there was a considerable amount of people asking to see other aspects of the game (Pulse episodes about sound and VO were good, the last one about writers wast just meh, nothing, and I mean it, NOTHING new was revealed or said).

-Kinect, who asked for this? I mean, really. (No, I'm not talking about Microsoft)

-No PC keyboard shorcuts for the menus... Really Bioware? 2012 and you can't put that simple feature? We know that the game will be a port, but just please, even ME1 had it.

and now...

-Origin... is there more to say?

Yeah, definitely Bioware listens to it's fans.
And to everyone who wants to reply to me, do it in a PM so we can discuss it without going off topic. This is just MY opinion about Bioware and EA. If you don't agree, I really don't care.

Who wants to bet that if ME3 on PC doesn't sell well EA will blame piracy?

That's the real suckerpunch, if the game sells less than 2 million copies on PC they'll consider it millions of copies pirated so they'll just abuse their paying customers more with even worse DRM.

It's truly pants on head retarded.

Origin will cause them to lose sales but it will not cause them to gain sales.

I can't think of a single person who would ever be on the fence about buying a game and go "Oh, they announced Origin will be required for all PC versions of the game, well, that settles it, I'm making my pre-order now, it's a good thing Origin requirement was announced, there's no way I'd buy the game if I could just buy it in a brick and mortar store and install it and play it, or buy it over steam, it MUST require Origin or I will not be a satisfied customer!"

But thousands of people cancelling preorders and saying they will not buy the game due to origin requirement, and thousands more who won't buy it if it's not on steam?

It makes no sense.  Even if the game still sells millions to people who don't give a rats arse about privacy and security, they're still losing thousands of sales to what benefit?

It's a simple logic failure we're talking here:

Will Origin gain us sales we otherwise wouldn't have had?  False.

Will Origin make us lose sales we otherwise would have had?  True.

Well we'd better require Origin then!

Makes no sense.

I couldn't agree more. Well said!

[Daeel]

If we are lucky. Mass Effect 3 will become like Dead Space 2. We just have to keep the pressure on them.

Do not let these origin fanboys fill your mind with quasi kumbaya bullcrap. EA games do not deserve a penny from me unless they remove that spyware riddled program.

[Incognito JC]

Daeel wrote...

If we are lucky. Mass Effect 3 will become like Dead Space 2. We just have to keep the pressure on them.

Do not let these origin fanboys fill your mind with quasi kumbaya bullcrap. EA games do not deserve a penny from me unless they remove that spyware riddled program.

What was the deal with Dead Space 2? Curious. I got the PS3 version.