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[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Daeel wrote...

I sure hope EA games is paying you fanboys. I can't think of one logical reason to defend a corporation so dead set on squeezing every last penny out of their loyal customers.

I hope the compensation is worth your souls Biodroids.

I wish they were , I'm just trying to clear up false information from what origin's actually does.I say again if their is clear proof this service  is pulling a facebook , taking peoples private information and storing it.Then let's shut that down , and report EA to the BBB because that is illegal.

But again in eula it clearly states no use of private files , pictures , video's and "Secrets".Secrets I made up but I mean you get it.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:33 .

[shepskisaac]

Daeel wrote...

If we are lucky. Mass Effect 3 will become like Dead Space 2. We just have to keep the pressure on them.

What happened with Dead Space 2?

[Daeel]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Ea would but that's why we have laws , if they start taking private data / uploading the data and it would be reported along with them be sued.I guarntee when a judge get's through with them they won't be able to do it again , but that's assuming that's what their doing.All their doing is scanning the origin folder nothing more and nothing less.

That's not what they were doing before. They were doing it until they got caught. Are you telling me, that if they get a decent foothold into the digital distribution business, they want restart the spying? What's to stop them?

We've (Not me) already force us into using their program. Once they do that, they've already won.

You are thinking too little picture here. Draw the line now before it gets way out of hand, and yes, EA games will bend you over the moment you let them.

[outlaw1109]

Daeel wrote...

I sure hope EA games is paying you fanboys. I can't think of one logical reason to defend a corporation so dead set on squeezing every last penny out of their loyal customers.

I hope the compensation is worth your souls Biodroids.

Not really defending them, but, were I in their shoes, I cannot say I would be different.  I like money.  Should I hate someone else because they like money too?  Should I hate them because they're better at it than I am?  Further, are they stealing my money from me? 

The answer is No to all of the above.  I buy their games to be entertained.  If I'm not, then I think twice about buying the next one.  (looking at you DA3)

[Daeel]

IsaacShep wrote...

Daeel wrote...

If we are lucky. Mass Effect 3 will become like Dead Space 2. We just have to keep the pressure on them.

What happened with Dead Space 2?

They released a bunch of console exclusives. However, since it was already in the game, some people cracked the game, allowing pc players to get the content. Then EA games realizing their sheningans were worthless sent a patch out allowing all pc players to get the content legitly. 

See, they will do anything if you let them. even denying parts of the game from people who legitly bought the game. Draw the line here, or suffer the future consquences.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Ea would but that's why we have laws , if they start taking private data / uploading the data and it would be reported along with them be sued.I guarntee when a judge get's through with them they won't be able to do it again , but that's assuming that's what their doing.All their doing is scanning the origin folder nothing more and nothing less.

That's not what they were doing before. They were doing it until they got caught. Are you telling me, that if they get a decent foothold into the digital distribution business, they want restart the spying? What's to stop them?

We've (Not me) already force us into using their program. Once they do that, they've already won.

You are thinking too little picture here. Draw the line now before it gets way out of hand, and yes, EA games will bend you over the moment you let them.

It was never proven to be origins searching through a computer in germany , all it showed was a un clear video with a list of files.EA decided that's make sure this isn't happening fixed the problem so it doesn't do it anymore.They can't do anymore then to fix the problem , what else are they suppose to do give free games away.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:39 .

[Daeel]

outlaw1109 wrote...




Not really defending them, but, were I in their shoes, I cannot say I would be different.  I like money.  Should I hate someone else because they like money too?  Should I hate them because they're better at it than I am?  Further, are they stealing my money from me? 

The answer is No to all of the above.  I buy their games to be entertained.  If I'm not, then I think twice about buying the next one.  (looking at you DA3)

This has gone far beyond making money. This is like burning down orphanges so you can build more companies. I understand its a corporations job to profit as much as humanly possible, what I do not understand is why they want to screw over the PC customer base to do it.

It's not like they are saying "hey, buy here and you get a 10% discount" Or "hey, buy here and you get a free shtty item"

it's "USE OUR PROGRAM OR YOU DONT GET IT NEHEHEHEHHEHE. WE ARE EVIL"

[Incognito JC]

Daeel wrote...

They released a bunch of console exclusives. However, since it was already in the game, some people cracked the game, allowing pc players to get the content. Then EA games realizing their sheningans were worthless sent a patch out allowing all pc players to get the content legitly.

Haha, if it weren't a direct port, that wouldn't have happened. It's common practice nowadays to have DLC -- Disk Locked Content in games. I miss those days when we buy a game, we know it's the complete package.

[outlaw1109]

Daeel wrote...


See, they will do anything if you let them. even denying parts of the game from people who legitly bought the game. Draw the line here, or suffer the future consquences.

They started doing that long before now.  It's called "DLC".  I remember when such things were free, or offered as a full expansion to the original game. 

[Docjam]

outlaw1109 wrote...

Docjam wrote...



It goes back to the analogy of the registered sex offender living next door to you.  He claims he's reformed now, but would you trust him around your children alone?  Would you let your children walk past his house on the way from school without watching them?

There's a level of trust that has been broken, it can never be regained.

That depends...I wouldn't say this guy has broken any trust...the same goes for the internet.  Trust but verify...

Funny, but I can't think of a parent who'd ever trust anyone on the registered sex offender list, they wouldn't believe his rationalization of his crimes, or anything like that, they would simply be wary of him (or even consider moving).  In that same vein, I don't care about EA's rationalization or claims that they don't do that anymore, the fact that it showed Origin scanning someone's tax information was END OF THE LINE, I cannot even give them the slightest amount of trust, ever.

[Dragoonlordz]

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Ea would but that's why we have laws , if they start taking private data / uploading the data and it would be reported along with them be sued.I guarntee when a judge get's through with them they won't be able to do it again , but that's assuming that's what their doing.All their doing is scanning the origin folder nothing more and nothing less.

That's not what they were doing before. They were doing it until they got caught. Are you telling me, that if they get a decent foothold into the digital distribution business, they want restart the spying? What's to stop them?

We've (Not me) already force us into using their program. Once they do that, they've already won.

You are thinking too little picture here. Draw the line now before it gets way out of hand, and yes, EA games will bend you over the moment you let them.

Your paranoia of what they might do in the future because have not so great past is fine for you. Luckily your opinion is not universal, the amount of people in this thread which since started who feel the same way as you do and to your extent especially is not many, most people have lesser issues with it.  I base me decisions on what it does now not what it might do because I live here and now not in the future or the past. When something does something I do not want I uninstall it but until that time it will remain installed. Draw your line by all means then watch me step over it to get what it is I want.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:43 .

[photographerleia]

Docjam wrote...
Funny, but I can't think of a parent who'd ever trust anyone on the registered sex offender list, they wouldn't believe his rationalization of his crimes, or anything like that, they would simply be wary of him (or even consider moving).  In that same vein, I don't care about EA's rationalization or claims that they don't do that anymore, the fact that it showed Origin scanning someone's tax information was END OF THE LINE, I cannot even give them the slightest amount of trust, ever.

You will also note that EA always denies that Origin isn't doing anything wrong, but never actually offer up any proof that they are doing what they say.  Why in heaven's name do they expect the burden of proof to be on us (a la Chris Priestly at the beginning of the thread)?

[shepskisaac]

Killitngrillit wrote...

Heres somethin Gabe Newell said (Guy who owns Steam)

http://www.gamefront...rate-your-game/

Obviously he's right, look at how Steam is held so highly in PC players eyes, and they make a killing. EA just wants to make as much money as possible, anywhere, anytime.

Seriously, how can you have anything but respect for Gabe? With a guy like him, it's not a surprise Steam is the #1 DD store on the market. Take notes other publishers.

[Metalrocks]

i think many of you dont realize how much power a company has now these days. they even have more power then politics.
€A has pretty much as much money as a swiss bank and they will back stab anyone when they have the chance. they dont spy now on everyone since germany gave them some trouble, but this doesnt mean it will stop them to do it again in the future.

[outlaw1109]

Daeel wrote...


it's "USE OUR PROGRAM OR YOU DONT GET IT NEHEHEHEHHEHE. WE ARE EVIL"

It's still about money.  They want you to buy their games off of Origin so they can increase their profit margin by that tiny little bit.  The more users they have, voluntary or otherwise, the more other developers will want to capitalize on this.  They "bludgeon" their way onto the DRM market to make more money.  Eventually, Origin will be as common as Steam, and that means...more money.

[CoolHandLukeSkywalks]

It's funny that I would have skipped Star Wars: The Old Republic if it required Origin, but since it doesn't I had no problem picking it up. This news pissed me off so much that I instantly canceled my SW:TOR subscription, no good reason to put up with this kind of crap from EA and it sucks Bioware has to deal with them being a ****ty publisher.

[Docjam]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Ea would but that's why we have laws , if they start taking private data / uploading the data and it would be reported along with them be sued.I guarntee when a judge get's through with them they won't be able to do it again , but that's assuming that's what their doing.All their doing is scanning the origin folder nothing more and nothing less.

That's not what they were doing before. They were doing it until they got caught. Are you telling me, that if they get a decent foothold into the digital distribution business, they want restart the spying? What's to stop them?

We've (Not me) already force us into using their program. Once they do that, they've already won.

You are thinking too little picture here. Draw the line now before it gets way out of hand, and yes, EA games will bend you over the moment you let them.

It was never proven to be origins searching through a computer in germany , all it showed was a un clear video with a list of files.EA decided that's make sure this isn't happening fixed the problem so it doesn't do it anymore.They can't do anymore then to fix the problem , what else are they suppose to do give free games away.

They're supposed to make Origin an optional thing, not a requirement.  If it was optional, and never required to install the client on your machine, that would improve things tremendously.

Hell I encouraged friends of mine to preorder Star Wars the Old Republic over Origin once I found out that you will never actually have to install the origin client to get the game.  They were able to get the digital deluxe edition without ever installing Origin.  You can also order security keys for TOR over Origin, without ever installing the Origin client.  (EA sends the physical RSA key in the mail, and emailed the game code for TOR)

So go ahead EA, use Origin as a store front for us to buy directly from you, but don't require us to install additional client software that has had a shady past.

[Dragoonlordz]

photographerleia wrote...

Docjam wrote...
Funny, but I can't think of a parent who'd ever trust anyone on the registered sex offender list, they wouldn't believe his rationalization of his crimes, or anything like that, they would simply be wary of him (or even consider moving).  In that same vein, I don't care about EA's rationalization or claims that they don't do that anymore, the fact that it showed Origin scanning someone's tax information was END OF THE LINE, I cannot even give them the slightest amount of trust, ever.

You will also note that EA always denies that Origin isn't doing anything wrong, but never actually offer up any proof that they are doing what they say.  Why in heaven's name do they expect the burden of proof to be on us (a la Chris Priestly at the beginning of the thread)?

Can't prove what you do in future. It hasn't happened yet and is always subject to change.

Origin 'currently' is not doing anything wrong and is in fact doing exactly what they say it will do.

What might do, is trust issues with specific individuals, not everyone has same lack of or amount of trust as someone else. One person might forgive someone while another might remain bitter and never forget a single time they were wronged.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:50 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Metalrocks wrote...

i think many of you dont realize how much power a company has now these days. they even have more power then politics.
€A has pretty much as much money as a swiss bank and they will back stab anyone when they have the chance. they dont spy now on everyone since germany gave them some trouble, but this doesnt mean it will stop them to do it again in the future.

To me Valve and EA are the same , what happened is Valve became a better product than other places and became number.Gabe can say what he wants at the end of the shareholders for both companies control everything.

[shepskisaac]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

To me Valve and EA are the same , what happened is Valve became a better product than other places and became number.Gabe can say what he wants at the end of the shareholders for both companies control everything.

Urhm Valve doesn't respond to any shareholders because it's PRIVATE lol

[Sundance31us]

photographerleia wrote...
You will also note that EA always denies that Origin isn't doing anything wrong, but never actually offer up any proof that they are doing what they say.  Why in heaven's name do they expect the burden of proof to be on us (a la Chris Priestly at the beginning of the thread)?

Legally the burden is on "us".

Legal burden of proof
http://en.wikipedia....burden_of_proof

The burden of proof is often associated with the Latin maxim semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit, the best translation of which seems to be: "the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges.

[Metalrocks]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...


It was never proven to be origins searching through a computer in germany , all it showed was a un clear video with a list of files.EA decided that's make sure this isn't happening fixed the problem so it doesn't do it anymore.They can't do anymore then to fix the problem , what else are they suppose to do give free games away.

yes it was. it was in the german news (if you know german you cna find them even on youtube) and lawyers said so too, that origin is a spyware. why you think germany made so much trouble about it and €A had to change it quickly.

[Daeel]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Ea would but that's why we have laws , if they start taking private data / uploading the data and it would be reported along with them be sued.I guarntee when a judge get's through with them they won't be able to do it again , but that's assuming that's what their doing.All their doing is scanning the origin folder nothing more and nothing less.

That's not what they were doing before. They were doing it until they got caught. Are you telling me, that if they get a decent foothold into the digital distribution business, they want restart the spying? What's to stop them?

We've (Not me) already force us into using their program. Once they do that, they've already won.

You are thinking too little picture here. Draw the line now before it gets way out of hand, and yes, EA games will bend you over the moment you let them.

Your paranoia of what they might do in the future because have not so great past is fine for you. Luckily your opinion is not universal, the amount of people in this thread which since started who feel the same way as you do and to your extent especially is not many.  I base me decisions on what it does now not what it might do because I live here and now not in the future or the past. When something does something I do not want I uninstall it but until that time it will remain installed. Draw your line by all means then watch me step over it to get what it is I want.

Excuse me, but "paranoia"? Are you freaking kidding me? 

This is EA games a corporation not Disney World Christian charity secret fun fair.

EA has

1. Spied on us before
2. Insane amount of Day 1 DLC's
3.  forced us to use their program
4. Dragon Age 2

Don't call this paranoia. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that a corporation will screw us at any given opportunity. Especially since EA has been doing it for years. 

Yes, you go ahead and get your product if it means that to much to you. Oh who cares what they do toy you aslong as you get to play ME3. I sure hope when they screw you over really good, you remember this post and I can just imagine

"Oh golly gee, they were right! Let a company dictate how/when/where you use their product was just the beginning"

but judging by your inane avatar, I can tell you're young. When you get to age of maturity, we'll see how much you're willing to step over. 

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Docjam wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Ea would but that's why we have laws , if they start taking private data / uploading the data and it would be reported along with them be sued.I guarntee when a judge get's through with them they won't be able to do it again , but that's assuming that's what their doing.All their doing is scanning the origin folder nothing more and nothing less.

That's not what they were doing before. They were doing it until they got caught. Are you telling me, that if they get a decent foothold into the digital distribution business, they want restart the spying? What's to stop them?

We've (Not me) already force us into using their program. Once they do that, they've already won.

You are thinking too little picture here. Draw the line now before it gets way out of hand, and yes, EA games will bend you over the moment you let them.

It was never proven to be origins searching through a computer in germany , all it showed was a un clear video with a list of files.EA decided that's make sure this isn't happening fixed the problem so it doesn't do it anymore.They can't do anymore then to fix the problem , what else are they suppose to do give free games away.

They're supposed to make Origin an optional thing, not a requirement.  If it was optional, and never required to install the client on your machine, that would improve things tremendously.

Hell I encouraged friends of mine to preorder Star Wars the Old Republic over Origin once I found out that you will never actually have to install the origin client to get the game.  They were able to get the digital deluxe edition without ever installing Origin.  You can also order security keys for TOR over Origin, without ever installing the Origin client.  (EA sends the physical RSA key in the mail, and emailed the game code for TOR)

So go ahead EA, use Origin as a store front for us to buy directly from you, but don't require us to install additional client software that has had a shady past.

This is fine , they probably should have an option to use the store , download a game without origins.But for ME3 how long would it have taken to make this work when it had already been pre-planned for.ME2 used EA accounts which probably due to problems getting the right code on your account , they simplified it the process with origin.

[Daeel]

Incognito JC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

They released a bunch of console exclusives. However, since it was already in the game, some people cracked the game, allowing pc players to get the content. Then EA games realizing their sheningans were worthless sent a patch out allowing all pc players to get the content legitly.

Haha, if it weren't a direct port, that wouldn't have happened. It's common practice nowadays to have DLC -- Disk Locked Content in games. I miss those days when we buy a game, we know it's the complete package.

Don't we all. Another issue I think customers are all too willing to look the other way.