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[Dragoonlordz]

kofelover wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I'm tired of your silly arguments. 

I couldn't agree with you more....

Then leave. I have no intention of going anywhere and have equal right to express it on this subject which I have kept very much on topic and with no baiting. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:16 .

[Ryzaki]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Daeel wrote...

It's like you saying that if a kid went out and played in traffic that there is no factual truth to him/her getting injured.
You realize how insane that sounds? come now. I know your  biodrones come in all sorts of color but this is beyond fanboyism.

Incorrect, it is like saying a kid once played in the street and once got hurt, your basing your judgement on a "chance" that he will do it again and NOT that he did get hurt, your prediction is about what might happen not what happened in the past.

Okay seriously making a predition based off past actions isn't something unreasonable.

Saying it's 100 fact and always going to happen yeah that's unreasonable. But saying someone who committed shady actions in the past is likely to do so again? Not unreasonable at all.

[Incognito JC]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Actually the sad thing is both sides have alot of hardcore players but each believes the other has more.

Yeah, have to agree on that. I don't get why though. Make themselves feel more "elite"? Sad.

[Docjam]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I guess , I rather go investigate for myself then believe hear say and unclear videos.Hear say is how innocent people got burned at the stake for being a witch.

This is more akin to "hey, that person says that snake is poisonous, but we don't know for sure that it is, why don't you go ****** it off and get bit and see if you get envenomed?"

I get that you're trying to say do your homework, but doing your homework by .... getting yourself bit is not a very good idea.

Watching other people post their findings of what it analyzes is better homework than "install it and see for yourself"

That's just asking for trouble.

If someone posts a funny link claiming it's a hot porno, do you go click on it and see if it infects your computer?

I look at the link and say "suspicious link, do not click"

Someone says Origin is spyware and posts pictures, regardless of how old of what it does. 

That says to me "suspicious program, do not download"

Modifié par Docjam, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:19 .

[Leaser Resael]

Most of the people here don't get it, if you let a company do whatever they want to do, in this case forcing you to install a worthless program, you are basically telling them "Ok, I don't care what you do, take my money". The problem is not if origin is a spyware or not (Because I don't care, what I want is to PLAY the game, not having to install, again, worthless programs that only consume resources, so for me ME3 will be on youtube, I can perfectly live without playing it), the problem is that you are letting EA do what they want. I think most of you pay $60 for A GAME, not for a program that is only negative.

So, again, the problem is EA not letting it's clients CHOOSE if they want to install Origin or not. I don't care if they want to compete with Steam, but forcing people to install a program to let them PLAY THE GAME because of that is just plain retarded. And yes, I hate steam too.

Why is so difficult to understand that some people just want to play a game and not to be installing programs that doesn't add ANYTHING positive?

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

kofelover wrote...

Daeel wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


And you would be wrong. Your doing nothing more than fear mongering at this stage.

It is fine to have an opinion on something, it is even fine to have zero trust in anyone who may not have pleased you or might have offended you in past. But do not kid yourself into thinking that your predictions of the future are in anyway factual. If you are so this level of offended then you will never be happy with what EA does or Bioware by proxy.

They will not remove Origin as it is their goal and desire for the future, they will continue to improve it in order to compete with Steam and like Steam it will be shipped with their products just like Skyrim was for Steam.

If you will never be able to get over that specific issue you are in for a big surprise. I have been on many sites and here the disgruntled is the loudest heard which is perfect sense given here is where the product creators reside. All other sites I have been on the overall vastly higher amount of people were not offended and were willing to buy ME3 with Origin. Even on here for most it is a multitude of different issues people have and those range from minor to major. Your on the most extreme major end of that range and there are few people at that end on here (some but not many).

I'm tired of your silly arguments. A prediction by its very definition can not be factual. However, it can be a reasonable prediction. You see, when predictions are backed up by past events, evidence and logical reasonings it's not fear mongring. It's call using your head. 

Try it sometime. 

It's like you saying that if a kid went out and played in traffic that there is no factual truth to him/her getting injured.
You realize how insane that sounds? come now. I know your  biodrones come in all sorts of color but this is beyond fanboyism.

My goal is not for them to remove origin. Why would I care. Just stop forcing me to use it to play games that. do. not. require them. This is not an unreasonable demand. Only people so used to being anally raped by corporations can't tell the difference between reasonable demands and unfair ones.

I couldn't agree with you more....

And I'm hear to inform people about what origins really does , and not base it of unclear evidence or old evidence.Again if you don't like what Bioware does or Origins because of quality.I'm ok with that , I only have a problem with false informationg being spread about it stealing peoples private information which has never been proven even if you look at the screen shot.

[outlaw1109]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Daeel wrote...

It's like you saying that if a kid went out and played in traffic that there is no factual truth to him/her getting injured.
You realize how insane that sounds? come now. I know your  biodrones come in all sorts of color but this is beyond fanboyism.

Incorrect, it is like saying a kid once played in the street and once got hurt, your basing your judgement on a "chance" that he will do it again and NOT that he did get hurt, your prediction is about what might happen not what happened in the past.

I think a more accurate analogy would be that of a criminal.

A child steals a piece of gum from the store.  They are caught and their wrist is appropriately slapped.  They pay for the gum.  Do you ban them from the store?

[didymos1120]

Daeel wrote...

That doesn't disprove my point at all. There are more casual gamers on consoles, period. Surely, you would not dispute this obviously undeniable fact?

I'm not so sure that you'd be right about this even if you had some actual demographic data, what with the popularity of browser and Facebook games nowadays.

[Daeel]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Daeel wrote...

It's like you saying that if a kid went out and played in traffic that there is no factual truth to him/her getting injured.
You realize how insane that sounds? come now. I know your  biodrones come in all sorts of color but this is beyond fanboyism.

Incorrect, it is like saying a kid once played in the street and once got hurt, your basing your judgement on a "chance" that he will do it again and NOT that he did get hurt, your prediction is about what might happen not what happened in the past.

Choo choo. All aboard that crazy chain. Where logic stops to exist!

You are clearly done here, friend. If you honestly can not make the distinction between probability and chance then my arguments are away above your comprehension level. Do find another topic to debate about, you are not doing so well.

[Metalrocks]

Daeel wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


And you would be wrong. Your doing nothing more than fear mongering at this stage.

It is fine to have an opinion on something, it is even fine to have zero trust in anyone who may not have pleased you or might have offended you in past. But do not kid yourself into thinking that your predictions of the future are in anyway factual. If you are so this level of offended then you will never be happy with what EA does or Bioware by proxy.

They will not remove Origin as it is their goal and desire for the future, they will continue to improve it in order to compete with Steam and like Steam it will be shipped with their products just like Skyrim was for Steam.

If you will never be able to get over that specific issue you are in for a big surprise. I have been on many sites and here the disgruntled is the loudest heard which is perfect sense given here is where the product creators reside. All other sites I have been on the overall vastly higher amount of people were not offended and were willing to buy ME3 with Origin. Even on here for most it is a multitude of different issues people have and those range from minor to major. Your on the most extreme major end of that range and there are few people at that end on here (some but not many).

I'm tired of your silly arguments. A prediction by its very definition can not be factual. However, it can be a reasonable prediction. You see, when predictions are backed up by past events, evidence and logical reasonings it's not fear mongring. It's call using your head. 

Try it sometime. 

It's like you saying that if a kid went out and played in traffic that there is no factual truth to him/her likely getting injured.
You realize how insane that sounds? come now. I know your  biodrones come in all sorts of color but this is beyond fanboyism.

My goal is not for them to remove origin. Why would I care. Just stop forcing me to use it to play games that. do. not. require them. This is not an unreasonable demand. Only people so used to being anally raped by corporations can't tell the difference between reasonable demands and unfair ones.

i agree with you on this.

[Dragoonlordz]

Ryzaki wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Daeel wrote...

It's like you saying that if a kid went out and played in traffic that there is no factual truth to him/her getting injured.
You realize how insane that sounds? come now. I know your  biodrones come in all sorts of color but this is beyond fanboyism.

Incorrect, it is like saying a kid once played in the street and once got hurt, your basing your judgement on a "chance" that he will do it again and NOT that he did get hurt, your prediction is about what might happen not what happened in the past.

Okay seriously making a predition based off past actions isn't something unreasonable.

Saying it's 100 fact and always going to happen yeah that's unreasonable. But saying someone who committed shady actions in the past is likely to do so again? Not unreasonable at all.

But claiming anyone who does not believe that pediction is a sheep or corporations puppet who is willing to get raped just because they have more trust is not. Which is what has been saying.

[Adugan]

Let us steer this conversation away from flaming. This entire forum is covered in gasoline.

[Ryzaki]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
But claiming anyone who does not believe that pediction is a sheep or corporations puppet who is willing to get raped just because they have more trust is not. Which is what has been saying.

If that's your issue alright. I thought your issue was the whole "someone who does shady things is likely to do more." train of thought.

[Dragoonlordz]

Daeel wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Daeel wrote...

It's like you saying that if a kid went out and played in traffic that there is no factual truth to him/her getting injured.
You realize how insane that sounds? come now. I know your  biodrones come in all sorts of color but this is beyond fanboyism.

Incorrect, it is like saying a kid once played in the street and once got hurt, your basing your judgement on a "chance" that he will do it again and NOT that he did get hurt, your prediction is about what might happen not what happened in the past.

Choo choo. All aboard that crazy chain. Where logic stops to exist!

You are clearly done here, friend. If you honestly can not make the distinction between probability and chance then my arguments are away above your comprehension level. Do find another topic to debate about, you are not doing so well.

Read your own post again. I bolded it for you then re-read what I said. You stated it in a past tense therefore I was quite right to say that is not the same as prediction for the future.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:21 .

[Daeel]

didymos1120 wrote...

Daeel wrote...

That doesn't disprove my point at all. There are more casual gamers on consoles, period. Surely, you would not dispute this obviously undeniable fact?

I'm not so sure that you'd be right about this even if you had some actual demographic data, what with the popularity of browser and Facebook games nowadays.

That is a good point that I didn't think of. Still, I think console gamers just have a larger casual market than pc gamers.  Since certain game titles targetted at casual gamers are released more often on consoles and sell very well on consoles.

Demographic data about casual gamers and hardcore gamers wouldn't exist. Too hard to make the distinction

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Leaser Resael wrote...

Most of the people here don't get it, if you let a company do whatever they want to do, in this case forcing you to install a worthless program, you are basically telling them "Ok, I don't care what you do, take my money". The problem is not if origin is a spyware or not (Because I don't care, what I want is to PLAY the game, not having to install, again, worthless programs that only consume resources, so for me ME3 will be on youtube, I can perfectly live without playing it), the problem is that you are letting EA do what they want. I think most of you pay $60 for A GAME, not for a program that is only negative.

So, again, the problem is EA not letting it's clients CHOOSE if they want to install Origin or not. I don't care if they want to compete with Steam, but forcing people to install a program to let them PLAY THE GAME because of that is just plain retarded. And yes, I hate steam too.

Why is so difficult to understand that some people just want to play a game and not to be installing programs that doesn't add ANYTHING positive?

Most hear do get it , if EA steps out line  then they will get sued and brought down for illegal activity if their taking peoples private information.That is what we have laws and protection's for consumer's ,  companies can't just do what they want without a penalty.

[chance52]

OK the Spyware debate can go on and on but for the supporters of Origin can we all at least agree on the fact that it works very very poorly and these problems should be fixed before this client is made mandatory for more and more games?

There are a million and one problems with keeping DLC authorized when running an install from Origin as opposed to the physical DVD. Never ran into that issue? Take a moment to search all the BioWare tech help forums with people running into that issue and how many variations there are on this problem and how more often than not it's from an EADM/Origin DD.

What about those who have fast connection speeds yet somehow the DD still goes way too slow? The backup issue alone drives me mad! I have the DA:O Ultimate edition and that is a 27GB download, when I call tech support to find a way to back up the file they say it has to be re-downloaded every install and when others claim to have found a way to avoid it often these turn out to have problems of their own.

These are all basic features of the service they are mandating so shouldn't it, you know, actually be functioning properly before cementing it to BioWare's biggest release of 2012?

[photographerleia]

ChookAttack wrote...

Yet I still find myself asking, why have you spent hours here trying to persuade those who don't want their game to include the Origin client that the Origin client is a good thing, or at least not something to worry about?  Nothing that I want changed in any way affects your ability to install and use the Origin client in any way that you desire, yet you continue to spend hours telling us we are over-reacting, we are paranoid, we are just ill-informed.  What is your stake in this?  Why do you need the Origin client to be universally accepted?

That is a very reasonable question.  

If you want to install Origin, then more power to you.  Don't let me stop you.  
Just don't encourage EA to make me install it as well should I wish to play the game that I bought retail. 

In essence, I do not see how it is so hard for you, in return, to support my right to not install Origin when I wish to play the game that I bought retail and not from a DD.

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:27 .

[Daeel]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Most hear do get it , if EA steps out line  then they will get sued and brought down for illegal activity if their taking peoples private information.That is what we have laws and protection's for consumer's ,  companies can't just do what they want without a penalty.

Actually no. EA games has a team full of super lawyers, what chance does the average consumer have of harming a big super corporation like EA?

Our best bet is to band together and withold our money from them unless they shape up.

[thebu11dog]

Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.

Nice regurgitation of the EA mantra, too bad I don't want a relationship with EA, I don't want them sending me ads about how I can buy games for the insanely low price of double most of the world (I'm Australian), ads for dlc priced at twice the going rate and who knows what other spam they'll try to send me.

Steam has done a great job of keeping all my games up to date so far, so why would it be an issue now?

I'd love to play ME3, the first 2 were excellent titles, but I won't sign up to Origin so I guess that's game over.

At least admit that the reason for Origin is greed, and the reason EA charge me more for being Australian is greed, the excrutiatingly worded reasons EA gave for abandoning Steam are ridiculous and I don't believe them at all.

No need to reply, just airing my thoughts.

[kofelover]

ChookAttack wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I guess , I rather go investigate for myself then believe hear say and unclear videos.Hear say is how innocent people got burned at the stake for being a witch.

As do most people including myself. Because I do not then end up relying on false information or out of date information from fear mongerers or people who try to push their agenda via propaganda.

I tested the three clients Ubisoft, Steam and Origin as did many others and we posted out results many pages ago.

We are not basing our opinions on out of date material or conspiracy theory or just rumour. We looked for  ourselves and tested it ourselves. The end result is we are more informed than those who do not bother.

Yet I still find myself asking, why have you spent hours here trying to persuade those who don't want their game to include the Origin client that the Origin client is a good thing, or at least not something to worry about?  Nothing that I want changed in any way affects your ability to install and use the Origin client in any way that you desire, yet you continue to spend hours telling us we are over-reacting, we are paranoid, we are just ill-informed.  What is your stake in this?  Why do you need the Origin client to be universally accepted?

Amen and thank you!!

[kirvingtwo]

photographerleia wrote...

ChookAttack wrote...

Yet I still find myself asking, why have you spent hours here trying to persuade those who don't want their game to include the Origin client that the Origin client is a good thing, or at least not something to worry about?  Nothing that I want changed in any way affects your ability to install and use the Origin client in any way that you desire, yet you continue to spend hours telling us we are over-reacting, we are paranoid, we are just ill-informed.  What is your stake in this?  Why do you need the Origin client to be universally accepted?

That is a very reasonable question.  If you want to install Origin, don't let me stop you.  Just don't encourage EA to make me install it as well should I wish to play the game that I bought retail.

This.

[Dragoonlordz]

ChookAttack wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I guess , I rather go investigate for myself then believe hear say and unclear videos.Hear say is how innocent people got burned at the stake for being a witch.

As do most people including myself. Because I do not then end up relying on false information or out of date information from fear mongerers or people who try to push their agenda via propaganda.

I tested the three clients Ubisoft, Steam and Origin as did many others and we posted out results many pages ago.

We are not basing our opinions on out of date material or conspiracy theory or just rumour. We looked for  ourselves and tested it ourselves. The end result is we are more informed than those who do not bother.

Yet I still find myself asking, why have you spent hours here trying to persuade those who don't want their game to include the Origin client that the Origin client is a good thing, or at least not something to worry about?  Nothing that I want changed in any way affects your ability to install and use the Origin client in any way that you desire, yet you continue to spend hours telling us we are over-reacting, we are paranoid, we are just ill-informed.  What is your stake in this?  Why do you need the Origin client to be universally accepted?

I have been listing the facts of what the client does now as opposed to people spouting propaganda that what it may of done in past it still does. People who spending their time spreading misinformation instead of looking at the tests me and others have done which show they are mistaken.

There is no reason why I should let the people peddle misinformation. 

[outlaw1109]

[quote]ChookAttack wrote...



Yet I still find myself asking, why have you spent hours here trying to persuade those who don't want their game to include the Origin client that the Origin client is a good thing, or at least not something to worry about?  Nothing that I want changed in any way affects your ability to install and use the Origin client in any way that you desire, yet you continue to spend hours telling us we are over-reacting, we are paranoid, we are just ill-informed.  What is your stake in this?  Why do you need the Origin client to be universally accepted?

[/quote]


I'm here for the coffee...

You ask why I'm here and I ask why you're here.

You think I'm a fanboy and that we should boycott EA.

I know Origin/EA hasn't done anything to me but give poor customer service and destroy the Dragon Age IP.

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Also, my post count is down....

Modifié par outlaw1109, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:29 .