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[didymos1120]

thebu11dog wrote...

Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.

Nice regurgitation of the EA mantra...

OK, I've been seeing this sort of response to the OP a lot.  You do realize that the OP is not Priestly speaking as Priestly, right?  He just posted a prepared statement (and some of the language is identical to statements about BF3).  Getting on his case for it being the corporate line is sort of missing the point: it's supposed to be the corporate line.  Now, if you want to take him to task for the stuff he said later on when he actually was speaking for himself, have at it.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

outlaw1109 wrote...

Metalrocks wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Most hear do get it , if EA steps out line  then they will get sued and brought down for illegal activity if their taking peoples private information.That is what we have laws and protection's for consumer's ,  companies can't just do what they want without a penalty.

i guess you missed my post few pages back. companies have more rights then politicians. and as daeel said, big companies can afford the best lawyers around. so in short, the company gets away with it.

You'd be surprised how often they "queitly settle" things out of court.  That's why the word "settlement" exists.  So companies can pay you for silence.

They do but , either way the person is still being payed for being wronged.

[Dragoonlordz]

Daeel wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


Which is fine for you to feel or believe that you cannot trust them. It is not fine to call anyone who has more trust nothing more than corporate puppets or sheeps or clueless.

Most of us who don't rely on what 'might' happen actually ran the tests to find out what does happen. 

Seriously. It was a joke before, but now I'm really starting to wonder. Is EA games paying you? That is the only way you'd be so willfully stupid.

We aren't basing our expectations on what might happen but more on what has happened. To take my analogy more clear;

It's like saying that the kid who played in traffic is MORE likely to get injured than say the kid who just played in his sandbox. What is so crazy about this conclusion?


Either way. I do think you're too young to even know what the hell you're saying. Your arguments demonstrate either your naivety or your stupidity. Or just both.

It amuses me just how often and much you have to resort to name calling and trying to belittle to feel that your point is more valid. The fact you keep making false assumptions about my age shows you are prone to jumping to the wrong conclusions based off high emotions that god forbid we are not in agreement.

[Gatt9]

ChookAttack wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I have been listing the facts of what the client does now as opposed to people spouting propaganda that what it may of done in past it still does. People who spending their time spreading misinformation instead of looking at the tests me and others have done which show they are mistaken.

There is no reason why I should let the people peddle misinformation. 

Putting aside the question of whether it is misinformation or not, why do you care?  If we get our way, you can still use the Origin client as much as you want in any way that you want.  If we don't get out way, same result.  Why bother to spend hours telling myself and others that we are paranoid, ill-informed, rumour mongering or just plain wrong?  Your efforts affect the outcome for you in no way, shape or form.  Why bother?

Edited for spelling errors.

It's self-justification,  perhaps a bit of idol worship.  He knows as well as any of us that Youtube has videos of what was happening,  literally photographic evidence,  and he continually ignores it.

Probably a bit of lack of understanding in there as well,  I'd venture he doesn't realize that the code is likely still present and just dormant,  although we'd need to compare file sizes to be certain. 

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I've been running Origin on a laptop for hours, surfed the net, played a game, played movies. played songs, and it hasn't left it's folder. They must have made some changes to it since those original pics came out.

They have and you are correct. That is what it looks at and only what it looks at.

You can only provide proof , but even then people have already made up their minds which is fine.But I always like to know the truth in certain matters.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:43 .

[Daeel]

outlaw1109 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...


I'm have no interest in being Pro origins , I do most of my gaming on a console.I do however like to set the facts straight about what origins does and what it doesn't. Former criminals have motive to steal or rob again once again.But does that really mean they will , especially if they've been given help to avoid being a criminal again

I think I said this, what with the whole "kid stealing gum" thing.

If we allowed the probability of things to govern our thoughts, the prison system would be overloaded....


Go ahead, ignore me, I'll still keep posting...

I didn't see your post actually.

Probability should govern our thoughts. Do you honestly expect me to believe your live your life with complete disregard for probability? Don't make me laugh. There are times when we should disregard probability and then there are times when it's unhealthy to do so.  Now in this case, the probability is high and the stakes are high as well. It's like placing a bet on a 80/20 against your favour.



Now let me give you pro-origins fanboys a bone, the two arguments you should be making is

1. How high the probability is.
Very high. has done it before, has every motive to do it again.
2. Is probability a good way to decide in this situation.
probability is the only way to decide in this situation. "trust" has already been lost and it's a corporation for freaking christ.

[Dragoonlordz]

ChookAttack wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

ChookAttack wrote...

Putting aside the question of whether it is misinformation or not, why do you care?  If we get our way, you can still use the Origin client as much as you want in any way that you want.  If we don't get out way, same result.  Why bother to spend hours telling myself and others that we are paranoisd, ill-informed, rumour mongering or just plain wrong?  Your efforts affect the outcome for you in no way, shape or form.  Why bother?

Edited for spelling errors.

It annoys me, simple as that. Lieing to achieve a result makes you no better than the people you hate (EA).

I prefer the people who do come in here get the facts about what it does rather than the propaganda of what it might do.

lol, ironic that your use of the word 'propaganda' makes your post into just that.  You are attempting to discredit those who have concerns about the Origin client by the use of words and terms such as 'propaganda' and 'peddle misinformation', 'fear mongering'.  You call us extremeists and belittle out concerns.  If anyone can be accused of spreading 'propaganda', you should have a close look at your own posts.

And yet me and those who hold similar views are the only ones linking test and factual information about what the very client itself is doing and does. The rest is individual peoples trust issues on what has happened before or what might happen in future.

[Aaleel]

Incognito JC wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I've been running Origin on a laptop for hours, surfed the net, played a game, played movies. played songs, and it hasn't left it's folder. They must have made some changes to it since those original pics came out.

Yes, someone tested this a number of pages back, an older version of Origin, and the latest. The latest stays in its own domain like a good kid, the older version runs all over the PC.

I still hate DRM in general, even more so I see no need at all if I have a store bought disk.  My disk is proof I'm no pirate.  I'd rather go back to the days of having to put the disk in the drive then some of this crap they're coming out with.

It's not even about piracy really, it's all about marketing at the end of the day.

[Metalrocks]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Metalrocks wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Most hear do get it , if EA steps out line  then they will get sued and brought down for illegal activity if their taking peoples private information.That is what we have laws and protection's for consumer's ,  companies can't just do what they want without a penalty.

i guess you missed my post few pages back. companies have more rights then politicianse. and as daeel said, big companies can afford the best lawyers around. so in short, the company gets away with it.

Like any other company , but they can still be sued they can't get away from the law to long.

 thats true. at least in europe they would have gone to court if they dont change origin asap. but they sure will try very hard to avoid it for as long as possible.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Daeel wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...


I'm have no interest in being Pro origins , I do most of my gaming on a console.I do however like to set the facts straight about what origins does and what it doesn't. Former criminals have motive to steal or rob again once again.But does that really mean they will , especially if they've been given help to avoid being a criminal again

I think I said this, what with the whole "kid stealing gum" thing.

If we allowed the probability of things to govern our thoughts, the prison system would be overloaded....


Go ahead, ignore me, I'll still keep posting...

I didn't see your post actually.

Probability should govern our thoughts. Do you honestly expect me to believe your live your life with complete disregard for probability? Don't make me laugh. There are times when we should disregard probability and then there are times when it's unhealthy to do so.  Now in this case, the probability is high and the stakes are high as well. It's like placing a bet on a 80/20 against your favour.



Now let me give you pro-origins fanboys a bone, the two arguments you should be making is

1. How high the probability is.
Very high. has done it before, has every motive to do it again.
2. Is probability a good way to decide in this situation.
probability is the only way to decide in this situation. "trust" has already been lost and it's a corporation for freaking christ.

Sometimes , but it's never a guarantee until it happens.Which is why I say evaluate the product for yourself and come to your own conclusion about what origins does.

[Adugan]

Aaleel wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I've been running Origin on a laptop for hours, surfed the net, played a game, played movies. played songs, and it hasn't left it's folder. They must have made some changes to it since those original pics came out.

Yes, someone tested this a number of pages back, an older version of Origin, and the latest. The latest stays in its own domain like a good kid, the older version runs all over the PC.

I still hate DRM in general, even more so I see no need at all if I have a store bought disk.  My disk is proof I'm no pirate.  I'd rather go back to the days of having to put the disk in the drive then some of this crap they're coming out with.

It's not even about piracy really, it's all about marketing at the end of the day.

There are emulator programs that can fool the game into thinking there is a virtual disc in a virtual drive. You can never 100% prove that there is a disc in a real cd drive.

[outlaw1109]

ChookAttack wrote...


lol, ironic that your use of the word 'propaganda' makes your post into just that.  You are attempting to discredit those who have concerns about the Origin client by the use of words and terms such as 'propaganda' and 'peddle misinformation', 'fear mongering'.  You call us extremists and belittle out concerns.  If anyone can be accused of spreading 'propaganda', you should have a close look at your own posts.

Dammit.  edited for yet more spelling errors.

Technically, since this is more of an arguement, it's all propaganda, because, propaganda, by definition, is a form of communication aimed at influencing others...IIRC...

[Dragoonlordz]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I've been running Origin on a laptop for hours, surfed the net, played a game, played movies. played songs, and it hasn't left it's folder. They must have made some changes to it since those original pics came out.

They have and you are correct. That is what it looks at and only what it looks at.

You can only provide proof , but even then people have already made up their minds which is fine.But I always like to know the truth in certain matters.

I have tried to do so and we took time out of our own schedules to do so, a few others have done so too. I do not feel it is the right thing to do to just let people come in here and not get answers about what actually happens with the product in question instead of letting people try to bury it in rants about what might happen.

[photographerleia]

Ryzaki wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I've been running Origin on a laptop for hours, surfed the net, played a game, played movies. played songs, and it hasn't left it's folder. They must have made some changes to it since those original pics came out.

Yes, someone tested this a number of pages back, an older version of Origin, and the latest. The latest stays in its own domain like a good kid, the older version runs all over the PC.

Let's hope it doesn't decide to run all over once it thinks no one's watching anymore.

This.  It's a trust issue and EA/Bioware has taken my trust, shot it full of holes, and then fed it through the wringer before taking it out with the trash.  If they've done it once and then stopped b/c of public scrutiny, I do not trust them to not do it again when public scrutiny is inevitably less intense once more.

[Daeel]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It amuses me just how often and much you have to resort to name calling and trying to belittle to feel that your point is more valid. The fact you keep making false assumptions about my age shows you are prone to jumping to the wrong conclusions based off high emotions that god forbid we are not in agreement.

The fact that you've yet to debunk any of my points demonstrates that you have lost.

Don't start to cry now that your side is on the defensive. You were all but dismissing our worries and devaluing our side a moment ago, but as soon as the heat turns on on your side its all "dont be mweaaan to me"

[Aaleel]

Adugan wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

I've been running Origin on a laptop for hours, surfed the net, played a game, played movies. played songs, and it hasn't left it's folder. They must have made some changes to it since those original pics came out.

Yes, someone tested this a number of pages back, an older version of Origin, and the latest. The latest stays in its own domain like a good kid, the older version runs all over the PC.

I still hate DRM in general, even more so I see no need at all if I have a store bought disk.  My disk is proof I'm no pirate.  I'd rather go back to the days of having to put the disk in the drive then some of this crap they're coming out with.

It's not even about piracy really, it's all about marketing at the end of the day.

There are emulator programs that can fool the game into thinking there is a virtual disc in a virtual drive. You can never 100% prove that there is a disc in a real cd drive.

Then that just proves the point that pirates will always be ahead of DRM, and there's nothing companies can do about it.  They just ****** of paying customers to the point that they start pirating, or just stop playing their games.

[photographerleia]

Adugan wrote...

There are emulator programs that can fool the game into thinking there is a virtual disc in a virtual drive. You can never 100% prove that there is a disc in a real cd drive.

The problem with this is that EA/Bioware would still be getting my money for ME3, and by purchasing ME3 i would be telling them (with my dollars) that their actions were a okay.  I cannot live with that.  I atleast want the option to NOT install Origin, if nothing else.

 It all boils down to the fact that if I am purchasing retail, and will be only using single player, there iss 100% no excuse for making me isntall their client or making me accomodate for their client.

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:52 .

[Daeel]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...


Sometimes , but it's never a guarantee until it happens.Which is why I say evaluate the product for yourself and come to your own conclusion about what origins does.

If it was a choice, I'd be on your side. But they are forcing us to use it to play a game that doesn't even need it. So no, i'm not trying it. I've already come to my own conclusions.

[outlaw1109]

[quote]Daeel wrote...


Now let me give you pro-origins fanboys a bone, the two arguments you should be making is

1. How high the probability is.
Very high. has done it before, has every motive to do it again.
2. Is probability a good way to decide in this situation.
probability is the only way to decide in this situation. "trust" has already been lost and it's a corporation for freaking christ.[/quote]


You do realize that it's possible to post without inflamatory remarks, right? 
Next, since I've tested it myself, a level of trust between my self and Origin exists.  I can monitor Origins at random and still I have found no evidence that it's doing something evil.

There's a movie, I forget the name of it, with tom cruise, where they convict people of future crimes before they happen...I forget how it ends...

[quote]Edit
removed a part about you being the only one doing it...wasn't reading all of the posts...

Modifié par outlaw1109, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:52 .

[Daeel]

didymos1120 wrote...

thebu11dog wrote...

Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.

Nice regurgitation of the EA mantra...

OK, I've been seeing this sort of response to the OP a lot.  You do realize that the OP is not Priestly speaking as Priestly, right?  He just posted a prepared statement (and some of the language is identical to statements about BF3).  Getting on his case for it being the corporate line is sort of missing the point: it's supposed to be the corporate line.  Now, if you want to take him to task for the stuff he said later on when he actually was speaking for himself, have at it.

I disagree here. If he is going to post it under his name, he damn well better be able to argue it. Not that he will, but still. I dont buy the excuse "He was told to say it, so leave him alone"

[Dragoonlordz]

ChookAttack wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


And yet me and those who hold similar views are the only ones linking test and factual information about what the very client itself is doing and does. The rest is individual peoples trust issues on what has happened before or what might happen in future.

And that is your justification?  You belittle people for not having trust?  You accuse them of spreading propaganda, fear-mongering, lying, just plain being wrong, based on your opinion of their levels of trust?  Okay.  I have nothing further to discuss with you.

No, I only say such things to those who go to extreme end of the spectrum. Most are not doing so and most have have very nice easy going debates with me about Origin, what it does and have I got any proof to back that up without resorting to name calling and more done by our latest loud member in here like Daeel.

[Incognito JC]

photographerleia wrote...

The problem with this is that EA/Bioware would still be getting my money for ME3, and by purchasing ME3 i would be telling them (with my dollars) that their actions were a okay.

Actually, it's more of the fact that, we, the paying consumers have to take an extra step to make our product a more pleasant experience. Pirates don't have to.

[Dragoonlordz]

Daeel wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It amuses me just how often and much you have to resort to name calling and trying to belittle to feel that your point is more valid. The fact you keep making false assumptions about my age shows you are prone to jumping to the wrong conclusions based off high emotions that god forbid we are not in agreement.

The fact that you've yet to debunk any of my points demonstrates that you have lost.

Don't start to cry now that your side is on the defensive. You were all but dismissing our worries and devaluing our side a moment ago, but as soon as the heat turns on on your side its all "dont be mweaaan to me"

Cannot "debunk" what has not happened yet. Your prediction is for the future and cannot debunk what is currently a theory or feeling about what might happen. I feel no need to debunk what has happened because it did happen. It does not do it anymore and what I have pointed out is what it does now. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:53 .