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[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...


Sometimes , but it's never a guarantee until it happens.Which is why I say evaluate the product for yourself and come to your own conclusion about what origins does.

If it was a choice, I'd be on your side. But they are forcing us to use it to play a game that doesn't even need it. So no, i'm not trying it. I've already come to my own conclusions.

Again I have no side , I'm only going by what I have witnessed by myself downloading the program and evaluating the program.Along with reading through the eula , to come to my conclusion about origin.

[Daeel]

outlaw1109 wrote...

Daeel wrote...


Now let me give you pro-origins fanboys a bone, the two arguments you should be making is

1. How high the probability is.
Very high. has done it before, has every motive to do it again.
2. Is probability a good way to decide in this situation.
probability is the only way to decide in this situation. "trust" has already been lost and it's a corporation for freaking christ.

You do realize that it's possible to post without inflamatory remarks, right?  Cause you're the only one doing it...

Next, since I've tested it myself, a level of trust between my self and Origin exists.  I can monitor Origins at random and still I have found no evidence that it's doing something evil.

There's a movie, I forget the name of it, with tom cruise, where they convict people of future crimes before they happen...I forget how it ends...

 
Do you know why there are so many repeat offenders in jail? 

I don't see why I have to risk my data. If you want to do it, fine, but why am I being forced to do it?

[Daeel]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...


Sometimes , but it's never a guarantee until it happens.Which is why I say evaluate the product for yourself and come to your own conclusion about what origins does.

If it was a choice, I'd be on your side. But they are forcing us to use it to play a game that doesn't even need it. So no, i'm not trying it. I've already come to my own conclusions.

Again I have no side , I'm only going by what I have witnessed by myself downloading the program and evaluating the program.Along with reading through the eula , to come to my conclusion about origin.

Do you think customers should be forced to use an unnecessary program?

[Mitchumas]

At the end of the day we can say whatever we like, make all the groups in the world against EA using Origin. We can all ban together and shout in our loudest voices about the hate we have of being forced to use 3rd party software just to play a game... I myself hate being forced to use 3rd party software that I do not wish to be installed on my PC...

At the end of the day EA don’t care... There is nothing within the licence agreement to protect the customer; if we buy a hard copy all we are paying for is the key to activate it and the paper booklet... They still retain the right to the game and they know this, there is nothing that states what they must do to ensure people privacy... there is no Gamers Bill of Rights to protect the gamers... We other accept their licence agreement or we just don’t play their games...

To start with, when we didn’t need online connections or 3rd party software it didn’t seem to matter so much. Now, we have to register the games online, we must have 3rd party software; we must have a consistent online connection... For what?? I understand the developers want to try and protect their games by making us register them online... can’t play the game until you do... 1 register: 1 Install playable, but the force to make us have software we don’t desire is just downright soulless... They have heaps of people saying they don’t want it... yet; they care not, simply because there is nothing in the agreement to protect us...

The sad truth is until there is some kind of “Gamers bill of right” or written law to state what Game Producers can and can’t do, what they can force on us and what they can’t, we have to put up with whatever they say we have to have to play the games... If you are all so serious about not wanting to be forced 3rd party software... then start confronting the governments to intervene, stack letter on the developing countries upper and lower house with letters to bring in something to protect us consumers... stating what you think straight to these developer... won’t change a damn thing... because they know they can do it... they don’t care...

[didymos1120]

Daeel wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

thebu11dog wrote...

Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.

Nice regurgitation of the EA mantra...

OK, I've been seeing this sort of response to the OP a lot.  You do realize that the OP is not Priestly speaking as Priestly, right?  He just posted a prepared statement (and some of the language is identical to statements about BF3).  Getting on his case for it being the corporate line is sort of missing the point: it's supposed to be the corporate line.  Now, if you want to take him to task for the stuff he said later on when he actually was speaking for himself, have at it.

I disagree here. If he is going to post it under his name, he damn well better be able to argue it. Not that he will, but still. I dont buy the excuse "He was told to say it, so leave him alone"

You're ragging on him for relaying the info it's his job to relay, and which has to conform to standards beyond his control.  Like I said, fine if you want to get on his case for the stuff later in the thread where he was speaking for himself, but getting mad at him over the OP is like getting mad at the person who uploads a press release to the corporate website.

[Incognito JC]

Daeel wrote...

I disagree here. If he is going to post it under his name, he damn well better be able to argue it. Not that he will, but still. I dont buy the excuse "He was told to say it, so leave him alone"

When it comes to corporate hierarchy, staff members, or corporate representatives can never speak freely without keeping the interest of the corporation up top. They have their jobs on the line. You should know this.

[Sundance31us]

outlaw1109 wrote...
I think people are ignoring me.

Not at all. You've made me laugh a number of times and sometimes laughter can relieve the tension in a thread.

[outlaw1109]

Daeel wrote...


I disagree here. If he is going to post it under his name, he damn well better be able to argue it. Not that he will, but still. I dont buy the excuse "He was told to say it, so leave him alone"

This is his job.  He was told by his boss that he could post that.  Seriously...its not like it's his personal forum.  They can't say things like DA2 sucked.  They have rules to follow or they *could* lose their job/face reprimand.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...


Sometimes , but it's never a guarantee until it happens.Which is why I say evaluate the product for yourself and come to your own conclusion about what origins does.

If it was a choice, I'd be on your side. But they are forcing us to use it to play a game that doesn't even need it. So no, i'm not trying it. I've already come to my own conclusions.

Again I have no side , I'm only going by what I have witnessed by myself downloading the program and evaluating the program.Along with reading through the eula , to come to my conclusion about origin.

Do you think customers should be forced to use an unnecessary program?

No , but again this is the way EA has chosen to go with this title.If it were me everyone would have gotten their wish and this wouldn't even be  a problem.

[Dragoonlordz]

Daeel wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

Daeel wrote...


Now let me give you pro-origins fanboys a bone, the two arguments you should be making is

1. How high the probability is.
Very high. has done it before, has every motive to do it again.
2. Is probability a good way to decide in this situation.
probability is the only way to decide in this situation. "trust" has already been lost and it's a corporation for freaking christ.

You do realize that it's possible to post without inflamatory remarks, right?  Cause you're the only one doing it...

Next, since I've tested it myself, a level of trust between my self and Origin exists.  I can monitor Origins at random and still I have found no evidence that it's doing something evil.

There's a movie, I forget the name of it, with tom cruise, where they convict people of future crimes before they happen...I forget how it ends...

 
Do you know why there are so many repeat offenders in jail? 

I don't see why I have to risk my data. If you want to do it, fine, but why am I being forced to do it?

If your not going to take the risk yourself then how about listening to those of us who have taken that risk and done the tests then relayed the truth (results) about it on here instead of charging in here like bull in china shop throwing around name calling and insults. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:00 .

[Daeel]

Incognito JC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I disagree here. If he is going to post it under his name, he damn well better be able to argue it. Not that he will, but still. I dont buy the excuse "He was told to say it, so leave him alone"

When it comes to corporate hierarchy, staff members, or corporate representatives can never speak freely without keeping the interest of the corporation up top. They have their jobs on the line. You should know this.

I don't understand.

So we are not allowed to ask him to clarify certain things because.. it's his job? huh?

[Daeel]

Dragoonlordz wrote...



If your not going to take the risk yourself then how about listening to those of us who have and relayed the truth about it on here instead of charging in here like bull in china shop throwing around name calling and insults. 

Why. am. I. being. Forced. To. Take. The. Risk.

[Incognito JC]

Daeel wrote...

I don't understand.

So we are not allowed to ask him to clarify certain things because.. it's his job? huh?

We're allowed to. It's just that he might not be allowed to answer. It's not his fault we do not get our answers. Blame who he is working for, not he himself.

[photographerleia]

Daeel wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I disagree here. If he is going to post it under his name, he damn well better be able to argue it. Not that he will, but still. I dont buy the excuse "He was told to say it, so leave him alone"

When it comes to corporate hierarchy, staff members, or corporate representatives can never speak freely without keeping the interest of the corporation up top. They have their jobs on the line. You should know this.

I don't understand.

So we are not allowed to ask him to clarify certain things because.. it's his job? huh?

I know what they are saying, and I get it to a point.  But, you cannot deny that he, or anyone else, has hardly been seen in this thread when they were all over the place during the blowup about DA2 and Secu-ROM.  it makes one wonder what the difference is.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Daeel wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...



If your not going to take the risk yourself then how about listening to those of us who have and relayed the truth about it on here instead of charging in here like bull in china shop throwing around name calling and insults. 

Why. am. I. being. Forced. To. Take. The. Risk.

Your not , you still control your own fate.Kind of like taking the red or blue pill.Except you don't wake up and your a human battery.

[Daeel]

Incognito JC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I don't understand.

So we are not allowed to ask him to clarify certain things because.. it's his job? huh?

We're allowed to. It's just that he might not be allowed to answer. It's not his fault we do not get our answers. Blame who he is working for, not he himself.

Then where exactly do we disagree?

[Daeel]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...



If your not going to take the risk yourself then how about listening to those of us who have and relayed the truth about it on here instead of charging in here like bull in china shop throwing around name calling and insults. 

Why. am. I. being. Forced. To. Take. The. Risk.

Your not , you still control your own fate.Kind of like taking the red or blue pill.Except you don't wake up and your a human battery.

IF I buy a retail copy I am being forced to use Origins to activate it.

[outlaw1109]

Daeel wrote...


Do you know why there are so many repeat offenders in jail? 

I don't see why I have to risk my data. If you want to do it, fine, but why am I being forced to do it?

Yes to the first question.

I'm a probation officer.

Thus why I believe in rehabilitation.  Should people be punished simply because they have done something before and MIGHT do it again, but haven't?  The more someone is convicted of a crime, the greater the chance that they'll repeat it, but we don't put people in jail because they CAN committ a crime (otherwise, we'd need more prisons).

Second, You're not being forced to do anything.  You don't have to buy the game, but if you want to play ME3, you have to accept certain risks.  I'm not saying they can't and I'm not saying the won't.  They aren't at the moment.  Since I want to play ME3, I give them the benefit of the doubt and trust, but verify.

[Ryzaki]

photographerleia wrote...
I know what they are saying, and I get it to a point.  But, you cannot deny that he, or anyone else, has hardly been seen in this thread when they were all over the place during the blowup about DA2 and Secu-ROM.  it makes one wonder what the difference is.

I'm guessing with DA2 they had more control over what type of DRM was gonna be put in.

Now though EA's putting its foot down.

[Dragoonlordz]

Daeel wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...



If your not going to take the risk yourself then how about listening to those of us who have and relayed the truth about it on here instead of charging in here like bull in china shop throwing around name calling and insults. 

Why. am. I. being. Forced. To. Take. The. Risk.

In the end they want to ship the game with their digital client, if you mean future possible risk there is no guarantee in life.What they do not do today they may do tomorrow and what they do today they may change in future there is always risk. We will never get back to pre-internet days of very little DRM if any. Don't get me wrong those times were great and would be nice however it will never happen. The biggest cause of DRM was the introduction of the internet. The only cause of digitial distribution is the internet, the internet exists and the abusing of it for piracy and distribution exists now. We won't ever get those days back regardless of how much anger you have over it and how many times attack someone of different tolerance or trust.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:05 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

photographerleia wrote...

Daeel wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I disagree here. If he is going to post it under his name, he damn well better be able to argue it. Not that he will, but still. I dont buy the excuse "He was told to say it, so leave him alone"

When it comes to corporate hierarchy, staff members, or corporate representatives can never speak freely without keeping the interest of the corporation up top. They have their jobs on the line. You should know this.

I don't understand.

So we are not allowed to ask him to clarify certain things because.. it's his job? huh?

I know what they are saying, and I get it to a point.  But, you cannot deny that he, or anyone else, has hardly been seen in this thread when they were all over the place during the blowup about DA2 and Secu-ROM.  it makes one wonder what the difference is.

They've seen it , it's just that they don't want to jump down into the riot.

[Incognito JC]

photographerleia wrote...

But, you cannot deny that he, or anyone else, has hardly been seen in this thread when they were all over the place during the blowup about DA2 and Secu-ROM.

Most likely because Origin wasn't their call. They have to answer to the higher ups. If they said something false, or something against the interest of EA, bye bye Bioware.

[Shermos]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Daeel wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

Daeel wrote...


Now let me give you pro-origins fanboys a bone, the two arguments you should be making is

1. How high the probability is.
Very high. has done it before, has every motive to do it again.
2. Is probability a good way to decide in this situation.
probability is the only way to decide in this situation. "trust" has already been lost and it's a corporation for freaking christ.

You do realize that it's possible to post without inflamatory remarks, right?  Cause you're the only one doing it...

Next, since I've tested it myself, a level of trust between my self and Origin exists.  I can monitor Origins at random and still I have found no evidence that it's doing something evil.

There's a movie, I forget the name of it, with tom cruise, where they convict people of future crimes before they happen...I forget how it ends...

 
Do you know why there are so many repeat offenders in jail? 

I don't see why I have to risk my data. If you want to do it, fine, but why am I being forced to do it?

If your not going to take the risk yourself then how about listening to those of us who have taken that risk and done the tests then relayed the truth (results) about it on here instead of charging in here like bull in china shop throwing around name calling and insults. 

Evidence based on tests and research doesn't get a good responce on BSN most of the time. Sorry to say. 

[Incognito JC]

Daeel wrote...

Then where exactly do we disagree?

Oh. Maybe I misread. I thought you were demanding that Priestly answer us on this thread. I just mentioned why he couldn't.

[photographerleia]

Ryzaki wrote...

photographerleia wrote...
I know what they are saying, and I get it to a point.  But, you cannot deny that he, or anyone else, has hardly been seen in this thread when they were all over the place during the blowup about DA2 and Secu-ROM.  it makes one wonder what the difference is.

I'm guessing with DA2 they had more control over what type of DRM was gonna be put in.

Now though EA's putting its foot down.

I'd agree with you, except that with DA2, everyone was blaming that on EA as well.  You are right that it is clear something fundamentally has changed though, and I want to know what that is.