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[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Daeel wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...



If your not going to take the risk yourself then how about listening to those of us who have and relayed the truth about it on here instead of charging in here like bull in china shop throwing around name calling and insults. 

Why. am. I. being. Forced. To. Take. The. Risk.

Your not , you still control your own fate.Kind of like taking the red or blue pill.Except you don't wake up and your a human battery.

IF I buy a retail copy I am being forced to use Origins to activate it.

No , because you haven't  decided if your going to download origins and activate it.Your still at the fork in the road.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:06 .

[outlaw1109]

Shermos wrote...

Evidence based on tests and research doesn't get a good responce on BSN most of the time. Sorry to say. 

QFT.

o7 sir.

[Daeel]

outlaw1109 wrote...

Daeel wrote...


Do you know why there are so many repeat offenders in jail? 

I don't see why I have to risk my data. If you want to do it, fine, but why am I being forced to do it?

Yes to the first question.

I'm a probation officer.

Thus why I believe in rehabilitation.  Should people be punished simply because they have done something before and MIGHT do it again, but haven't?  The more someone is convicted of a crime, the greater the chance that they'll repeat it, but we don't put people in jail because they CAN committ a crime (otherwise, we'd need more prisons).

Second, You're not being forced to do anything.  You don't have to buy the game, but if you want to play ME3, you have to accept certain risks.  I'm not saying they can't and I'm not saying the won't.  They aren't at the moment.  Since I want to play ME3, I give them the benefit of the doubt and trust, but verify.

Well. I have nothing to say to that. If you're perfectly fine with them forcing you to use their bloatware just to play a game, that doesn't even need it. Then you obviously have a higher tolerance for bullcrap than me.

[photographerleia]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

IF I buy a retail copy I am being forced to use Origins to activate it.

No , because you have to decide if your going to download origins and activate it.Your still at the fork in the road.

Unless you actually want to play the game you bought.

But you are right, there is a choice to be made here.  My choice is to simply not buy at all unless Origin is made optional for single player, or removed altogether, from retail copies.

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:13 .

[Daeel]

Incognito JC wrote...

Daeel wrote...

Then where exactly do we disagree?

Oh. Maybe I misread. I thought you were demanding that Priestly answer us on this thread. I just mentioned why he couldn't.

I probably misread as well. No disagreements. 

[Incognito JC]

Shermos wrote...

Evidence based on tests and research doesn't get a good responce on BSN most of the time. Sorry to say. 

Because this time, the tests does not prove what has happened, will not happen again in the future. All the tests have proven is what is happening. Only time can answer to this.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Incognito JC wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Evidence based on tests and research doesn't get a good responce on BSN most of the time. Sorry to say. 

Because this time, the tests does not prove what has happened, will not happen again in the future. All the tests have proven is what is happening. Only time can answer to this.

^This , if they start collecting private data then I will make it a point to deal with EA in court for violating my rights.But until that happens they have the benefit.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:10 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Incognito JC wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Evidence based on tests and research doesn't get a good responce on BSN most of the time. Sorry to say. 

Because this time, the tests does not prove what has happened, will not happen again in the future. All the tests have proven is what is happening. Only time can answer to this.

But most want to know what it does now. Others are worried about what it will do in the future.

What I have been doing and others is give the former the answer. Yet in doing so we are apparently Biodrones and ignorant of the future. What it does now is what I base my current level of trust on. What they do in future may make me change my mind upon when they do it at that time with the un-installation of the product and buying something else.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:14 .

[outlaw1109]

Daeel wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

Daeel wrote...


Do you know why there are so many repeat offenders in jail? 

I don't see why I have to risk my data. If you want to do it, fine, but why am I being forced to do it?

Yes to the first question.

I'm a probation officer.

Thus why I believe in rehabilitation.  Should people be punished simply because they have done something before and MIGHT do it again, but haven't?  The more someone is convicted of a crime, the greater the chance that they'll repeat it, but we don't put people in jail because they CAN committ a crime (otherwise, we'd need more prisons).

Second, You're not being forced to do anything.  You don't have to buy the game, but if you want to play ME3, you have to accept certain risks.  I'm not saying they can't and I'm not saying the won't.  They aren't at the moment.  Since I want to play ME3, I give them the benefit of the doubt and trust, but verify.

Well. I have nothing to say to that. If you're perfectly fine with them forcing you to use their bloatware just to play a game, that doesn't even need it. Then you obviously have a higher tolerance for bullcrap than me.

I ensure my personal information is secure enough that scanning my hard drive isn't going to hurt my feelings is all.  Like I said, I'm not saying that I don't understand your point, but I just felt that I should point out the difference between can and will and that, CURRENTLY, Origin seems legit.

[goofyomnivore]

This is good news. Though, could you also test it while actually using Origin? Playing games on it? If you have any games on Origin you can play of course. Or test it when you do other stuff on your computer.

Just to follow up on this, I spent about 2 hours playing BF3 and checked Process Monitor between matches and to be sure did a full recap after the session to see what Origin was doing. Origin once again never left its root folder.

^This , if they start collecting private data then I will make it a
point to deal with EA in court for violating my rights.But until that
happens they have the benefit.

You waive your legal rights to sue them by agreeing to the EULA.

Modifié par strive, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:13 .

[Adugan]

outlaw1109 wrote...

Daeel wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

Daeel wrote...


Do you know why there are so many repeat offenders in jail? 

I don't see why I have to risk my data. If you want to do it, fine, but why am I being forced to do it?

Yes to the first question.

I'm a probation officer.

Thus why I believe in rehabilitation.  Should people be punished simply because they have done something before and MIGHT do it again, but haven't?  The more someone is convicted of a crime, the greater the chance that they'll repeat it, but we don't put people in jail because they CAN committ a crime (otherwise, we'd need more prisons).

Second, You're not being forced to do anything.  You don't have to buy the game, but if you want to play ME3, you have to accept certain risks.  I'm not saying they can't and I'm not saying the won't.  They aren't at the moment.  Since I want to play ME3, I give them the benefit of the doubt and trust, but verify.

Well. I have nothing to say to that. If you're perfectly fine with them forcing you to use their bloatware just to play a game, that doesn't even need it. Then you obviously have a higher tolerance for bullcrap than me.

I ensure my personal information is secure enough that scanning my hard drive isn't going to hurt my feelings is all.  Like I said, I'm not saying that I don't understand your point, but I just felt that I should point out the difference between can and will and that, CURRENTLY, Origin seems legit.

I agree with you there. Origin seems legit RIGHT NOW, but my trust in it is non-existant. They have to prove that they made Origin safe in some way. They have more to lose than I do from me not using Origin.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Evidence based on tests and research doesn't get a good responce on BSN most of the time. Sorry to say. 

Because this time, the tests does not prove what has happened, will not happen again in the future. All the tests have proven is what is happening. Only time can answer to this.

But most want to know what it does now. Others are worried about what it will do in the future.

What I have been doing and others is give the former the answer. Yet in doing so we are apparently Biodrones and ignorant of the future. What it does now is what I base my current level of trust on. What they do in future may make me change my mind upon when they do it.

Well I try not to take it too personal , alot of this is coming from anger about having to use Origin.Which even though EA pretty much let on this would happen , it was never crystal clear.And now this is the final out of it all.

[Rockworm503]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Evidence based on tests and research doesn't get a good responce on BSN most of the time. Sorry to say. 

Because this time, the tests does not prove what has happened, will not happen again in the future. All the tests have proven is what is happening. Only time can answer to this.

^This , if they start collecting private data then I will make it a point to deal with EA in court for violating my rights.But until that happens they have the benefit.

Read the EULA more carefully.  You wont be allowed to.  You accepted that when you installed Origin.

[Dragoonlordz]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Evidence based on tests and research doesn't get a good responce on BSN most of the time. Sorry to say. 

Because this time, the tests does not prove what has happened, will not happen again in the future. All the tests have proven is what is happening. Only time can answer to this.

But most want to know what it does now. Others are worried about what it will do in the future.

What I have been doing and others is give the former the answer. Yet in doing so we are apparently Biodrones and ignorant of the future. What it does now is what I base my current level of trust on. What they do in future may make me change my mind upon when they do it.

Well I try not to take it too personal , alot of this is coming from anger about having to use Origin.Which even though EA pretty much let on this would happen , it was never crystal clear.And now this is the final out of it all.

I do not consider myself ignorant or a Biodrone or any other names a certain person has thrown my way. I even went out of my way to verify for myself what it actually does and informed others. But I do reserve the right to be offended when someone does the former I described. I however have no intention of living my life in fear of what might happen.   

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:19 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Adugan wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

Daeel wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

Daeel wrote...


Do you know why there are so many repeat offenders in jail? 

I don't see why I have to risk my data. If you want to do it, fine, but why am I being forced to do it?

Yes to the first question.

I'm a probation officer.

Thus why I believe in rehabilitation.  Should people be punished simply because they have done something before and MIGHT do it again, but haven't?  The more someone is convicted of a crime, the greater the chance that they'll repeat it, but we don't put people in jail because they CAN committ a crime (otherwise, we'd need more prisons).

Second, You're not being forced to do anything.  You don't have to buy the game, but if you want to play ME3, you have to accept certain risks.  I'm not saying they can't and I'm not saying the won't.  They aren't at the moment.  Since I want to play ME3, I give them the benefit of the doubt and trust, but verify.

Well. I have nothing to say to that. If you're perfectly fine with them forcing you to use their bloatware just to play a game, that doesn't even need it. Then you obviously have a higher tolerance for bullcrap than me.

I ensure my personal information is secure enough that scanning my hard drive isn't going to hurt my feelings is all.  Like I said, I'm not saying that I don't understand your point, but I just felt that I should point out the difference between can and will and that, CURRENTLY, Origin seems legit.

I agree with you there. Origin seems legit RIGHT NOW, but my trust in it is non-existant. They have to prove that they made Origin safe in some way. They have more to lose than I do from me not using Origin.

They can't other than by telling you or you listening to people that are currently using origins.Do they give everyone a free game , some type of credit or etc.I just don't know what else EA can possibly do at the moment.

[didymos1120]

Daeel wrote...

I don't understand.

No, you don't understand.  My original post on this subject was made to point out that people reading the OP and then getting mad at him personally for "regurgitating the EA mantra" is silly.  It's a prepared statement.  The entire point is to give the corporate position. 

So we are not allowed to ask him to clarify certain things because.. it's his job? huh?

Of course you are. Not sure what gave you the notion that anything like that was being said.  And like I said (also in my original post on this subject), if you want to rake him over the coals for the posts he made later where he wasn't issuing a prepared statement, have the hell at it.

[Dragoonlordz]

Rockworm503 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Evidence based on tests and research doesn't get a good responce on BSN most of the time. Sorry to say. 

Because this time, the tests does not prove what has happened, will not happen again in the future. All the tests have proven is what is happening. Only time can answer to this.

^This , if they start collecting private data then I will make it a point to deal with EA in court for violating my rights.But until that happens they have the benefit.

Read the EULA more carefully.  You wont be allowed to.  You accepted that when you installed Origin.

As others have said EULA are not enforcable in law in most countries. That specific aspect of the EULA is irrelevant until tested in the courts in your home nation. In that regard he/she is not wrong until that happens.

[Incognito JC]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I however have no intention of living my life in fear of what might happen.   

I guess this is the difference not many realize. Some here are indifferent to what might happen, some are concerned. Acknowledge their respective decisions and let live. No need to throw insults all over (not directed specifically at you, Dragoon).

[photographerleia]

didymos1120 wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I don't understand.

No, you don't understand.  My original post on this subject was made to point out that people reading the OP and then getting mad at him personally for "regurgitating the EA mantra" is silly.  It's a prepared statement.  The entire point is to give the corporate position. 

So we are not allowed to ask him to clarify certain things because.. it's his job? huh?

Of course you are. Not sure what gave you the notion that anything like that was being said.  And like I said (also in my original post on this subject), if you want to rake him over the coals for the posts he made later where he wasn't issuing a prepared statement, have the hell at it.

I respect this viewpoint

[didymos1120]

photographerleia wrote...

I know what they are saying, and I get it to a point.  But, you cannot deny that he, or anyone else, has hardly been seen in this thread when they were all over the place during the blowup about DA2 and Secu-ROM.  it makes one wonder what the difference is.

Question: did the DA2 thing happen on a weekend?

[Adugan]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Adugan wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

Daeel wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

Daeel wrote...


Do you know why there are so many repeat offenders in jail? 

I don't see why I have to risk my data. If you want to do it, fine, but why am I being forced to do it?

Yes to the first question.

I'm a probation officer.

Thus why I believe in rehabilitation.  Should people be punished simply because they have done something before and MIGHT do it again, but haven't?  The more someone is convicted of a crime, the greater the chance that they'll repeat it, but we don't put people in jail because they CAN committ a crime (otherwise, we'd need more prisons).

Second, You're not being forced to do anything.  You don't have to buy the game, but if you want to play ME3, you have to accept certain risks.  I'm not saying they can't and I'm not saying the won't.  They aren't at the moment.  Since I want to play ME3, I give them the benefit of the doubt and trust, but verify.

Well. I have nothing to say to that. If you're perfectly fine with them forcing you to use their bloatware just to play a game, that doesn't even need it. Then you obviously have a higher tolerance for bullcrap than me.

I ensure my personal information is secure enough that scanning my hard drive isn't going to hurt my feelings is all.  Like I said, I'm not saying that I don't understand your point, but I just felt that I should point out the difference between can and will and that, CURRENTLY, Origin seems legit.

I agree with you there. Origin seems legit RIGHT NOW, but my trust in it is non-existant. They have to prove that they made Origin safe in some way. They have more to lose than I do from me not using Origin.

They can't other than by telling you or you listening to people that are currently using origins.Do they give everyone a free game , some type of credit or etc.I just don't know what else EA can possibly do at the moment.

Make Origin optional. That will at least prove they arent cutthroat profiteers and restore a tiny amount of trust in them.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Evidence based on tests and research doesn't get a good responce on BSN most of the time. Sorry to say. 

Because this time, the tests does not prove what has happened, will not happen again in the future. All the tests have proven is what is happening. Only time can answer to this.

But most want to know what it does now. Others are worried about what it will do in the future.

What I have been doing and others is give the former the answer. Yet in doing so we are apparently Biodrones and ignorant of the future. What it does now is what I base my current level of trust on. What they do in future may make me change my mind upon when they do it.

Well I try not to take it too personal , alot of this is coming from anger about having to use Origin.Which even though EA pretty much let on this would happen , it was never crystal clear.And now this is the final out of it all.

I do not consider myself ignorant or a Biodrone or any other names a certain person has thrown my way. I even went out of my way to verify for myself what it actually does and informed others. But I do resrve the right to be offended when someone does the former I described. I however have no intention of living my life in fear of what might happen.   

Understandable , in the end were all human beings with emotion and voicing the way we feel on the subject.That's how discussion should work , but low blows aren't needed on both sides.

[Rockworm503]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Evidence based on tests and research doesn't get a good responce on BSN most of the time. Sorry to say. 

Because this time, the tests does not prove what has happened, will not happen again in the future. All the tests have proven is what is happening. Only time can answer to this.

^This , if they start collecting private data then I will make it a point to deal with EA in court for violating my rights.But until that happens they have the benefit.

Read the EULA more carefully.  You wont be allowed to.  You accepted that when you installed Origin.

As others have said EULA are not enforcable in law in most countries. That specific aspect of the EULA is irrelevant until tested in the courts in your home nation. In that regard he/she is not wrong until that happens.

Then whats the point of even having a EULA if it cant hold up in court?

[photographerleia]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

As others have said EULA are not enforcable in law in most countries. That specific aspect of the EULA is irrelevant until tested in the courts in your home nation. In that regard he/she is not wrong until that happens.

I cannot speak for everyone else, but the issue regarding that (for me anyways) is that I still have to agree to it to instal the game.  Whether or not it may not be enforcable or not is not the issue.  I live my life as an honest person.  I do my best not to lie.  I keep my promises.  I say what I mean and mean what I say.  As such, it would be quite hypocritical of me to agree to an EULA with that kind of phrasing when I know going in to it that I take major issue with Origin and what it might potentially do and how it might potentially steal my information (based on past actions).

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:23 .