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[Mathias]

This will do nothing but cause them to lose sales and influence PC gamers to pirate the game even more than it probably will. Great Job.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:23 .

[Adugan]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Evidence based on tests and research doesn't get a good responce on BSN most of the time. Sorry to say. 

Because this time, the tests does not prove what has happened, will not happen again in the future. All the tests have proven is what is happening. Only time can answer to this.

^This , if they start collecting private data then I will make it a point to deal with EA in court for violating my rights.But until that happens they have the benefit.

Read the EULA more carefully.  You wont be allowed to.  You accepted that when you installed Origin.

As others have said EULA are not enforcable in law in most countries. That specific aspect of the EULA is irrelevant until tested in the courts in your home nation. In that regard he/she is not wrong until that happens.

Then whats the point of even having a EULA if it cant hold up in court?

The EULA is like a shield in court. It wont stop a cannonball class-action with the best lawyers, but it will deflect a few blows.

[Sundance31us]

Rockworm503 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
^This , if they start collecting private data then I will make it a point to deal with EA in court for violating my rights.But until that happens they have the benefit.

Read the EULA more carefully.  You wont be allowed to.  You accepted that when you installed Origin.

Actually, if they started collecting private data he could take them to court; if they keep to the data specified in the EULA, then you/I/any of us wouldn't have a case.

And yes, I did double-check that with a lawyer before posting.

[Ryzaki]

Rockworm503 wrote...
Then whats the point of even having a EULA if it cant hold up in court?

To try to throw their weight around and intimidate people. Seriously though most of it would hold up in court. There are just certain bits that if seen by a judge who gave a damn about the law and the little guy the EULA would get tossed. Alas such scenarios are rare.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:25 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Evidence based on tests and research doesn't get a good responce on BSN most of the time. Sorry to say. 

Because this time, the tests does not prove what has happened, will not happen again in the future. All the tests have proven is what is happening. Only time can answer to this.

^This , if they start collecting private data then I will make it a point to deal with EA in court for violating my rights.But until that happens they have the benefit.

Read the EULA more carefully.  You wont be allowed to.  You accepted that when you installed Origin.

As others have said EULA are not enforcable in law in most countries. That specific aspect of the EULA is irrelevant until tested in the courts in your home nation. In that regard he/she is not wrong until that happens.

Then whats the point of even having a EULA if it cant hold up in court?

lol don't ask me I don't know.

I just know comsumer rights depend on the country and in a lot of those countries you are protected even if EULA states otherwise. EULAs by nature are generally worded in a one size fits all approach and a lot of copy and pasting. Sometimes they add ammendments hoping they covered but like that doesn't mean they are.

[goofyomnivore]

As others have said EULA are not enforcable in law in most countries.

I just thought it was the EU that had laws against it and a few nations outside it. I'm pretty sure Canada and the United States (who I assume are their money cow) don't have any laws against the terms in their EULA.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

ChookAttack wrote...

Just a quick thought for all those posting here that seem to want those of us with concerns to simply shut up and go away. The reason this thread has reached 187 pages is because concerns are constantly argued against. You don't agree with our concerns? Read another thread. Left to ourselves, we would have had our say and then moved on. The thread would have wound down to nothing. It is the constant challenges by those who seem to want us to stop "lying', "whining", "fear mongering" and "spreading propaganda" that keep this discussion/argument alive.

Personally, I simply don't want the Origin client installed on my computer. I do not want my legally purchsed products held hostage by this client and I do not want to contribute to the efforts of the software industry in their endevour to turn the simple sale of a product into a licensing transaction.

That is what the Origin client is ultimately about. It is not primarily about pirating or DRM, it is EA's attempt to transform itself from a software publisher into an entertainment service provider. It wants to turn games from one off sales into an ongoing service that they provide, similar to episodic television series. Buy our game for $20, then spend another $10 a month to continue the game and see how it ends. Origin is simply the early stages of a software platform that spans all the hardware platforms.

I don't like that model of gaming and I will not support it. I will not support Origin.

This is completly fine , I for one have never said  (stop "lying', "whining", "fear mongering" and "spreading propaganda").I did call some of what people are saying is mis-information and was because it never was proven and a few members have pointed out it only scans the origin folder.

[photographerleia]

Sundance31us wrote...
Actually, if they started collecting private data he could take them to court; if they keep to the data specified in the EULA, then you/I/any of us wouldn't have a case.

And yes, I did double-check that with a lawyer before posting.

Then the problem I see here, is the EULA is not too terribly explicit about the kind of information they might collect.  When they can afford better lawyers than I, that leaves them a lot of wiggle room in court.

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:26 .

[Dragoonlordz]

strive wrote...

As others have said EULA are not enforcable in law in most countries.

I just thought it was the EU that had laws against it and a few nations outside it. I'm pretty sure Canada and the United States (who I assume are their money cow) don't have any laws against the terms in their EULA.

I live in the UK so I cannot speak for what will happen in the USA. Here regardless of what the EULA states we are covered by our own laws on consumer rights which take precedence.

[Dragoonlordz]

photographerleia wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...
Actually, if they started collecting private data he could take them to court; if they keep to the data specified in the EULA, then you/I/any of us wouldn't have a case.

And yes, I did double-check that with a lawyer before posting.

Then the problem I see here, is the EULA is not too terribly explicit about the kind of information they might collect.  When they can afford better lawyers than I, that leaves them a lot of wiggle room in court.

It does use a very broad paint brush in the EULA but thats why me and others went to the trouble in first place to find out exactly what it really does. We gave you that information, I have to assume you read what we gave you by now. 

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

strive wrote...

As others have said EULA are not enforcable in law in most countries.

I just thought it was the EU that had laws against it and a few nations outside it. I'm pretty sure Canada and the United States (who I assume are their money cow) don't have any laws against the terms in their EULA.

Trust me the way that eula is worded can't stand up in any court in Canada or the United States.IT's just like Obama's manditory health care provision , that everyone must buy and have health care.One state and I'm sure many more have already found it unconstitional.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:30 .

[photographerleia]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

photographerleia wrote...

Then the problem I see here, is the EULA is not too terribly explicit about the kind of information they might collect.  When they can afford better lawyers than I, that leaves them a lot of wiggle room in court.

It does use a very broad paint brush in the EULA but thats why me and others went to the trouble in first place to find out exactly what it really does. We gave you that information, I have to assume you read what we gave you by now. 

I have, but in this particular post I was referring more to potential issues regarding the defense of consumer rights in court than I was Origin.

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:30 .

[photographerleia]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Trust me the way that eula is worded can't stand up in any court in canada or the United States.IT's just like Obama's manditory health care provision , that everyone must buy and have health care.One state and I'm sure many more have already found unconstitional.

TBH it's sad that we even have to think about this.  This should not have to be a consideration when trying to decide if one wishes to purchase a video game or not.

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:31 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

photographerleia wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

strive wrote...

As others have said EULA are not enforcable in law in most countries.

I just thought it was the EU that had laws against it and a few nations outside it. I'm pretty sure Canada and the United States (who I assume are their money cow) don't have any laws against the terms in their EULA.

Trust me the way that eula is worded can't stand up in any court in canada or the United States.IT's just like Obama's manditory health care provision , that everyone must buy and have health care.One state and I'm sure many more have already found unconstitional.

TBH it's sad that we even have to think about this.  This should not have to be a consideration when trying to decide if one wishes to purchase a video game or not.

We shouldn't , personally everyone here seems like great people who just want to play their game of choice.But because someone has handed down orders to use origin , it's ignited  a fire storm.

[Daeel]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

strive wrote...

As others have said EULA are not enforcable in law in most countries.

I just thought it was the EU that had laws against it and a few nations outside it. I'm pretty sure Canada and the United States (who I assume are their money cow) don't have any laws against the terms in their EULA.

I live in the UK so I cannot speak for what will happen in the USA. Here regardless of what the EULA states we are covered by our own laws on consumer rights which take precedence.

Don't be so sure about that.

http://www.geekosyst...le-extradition/

[Dragoonlordz]

photographerleia wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

photographerleia wrote...

Then the problem I see here, is the EULA is not too terribly explicit about the kind of information they might collect.  When they can afford better lawyers than I, that leaves them a lot of wiggle room in court.

It does use a very broad paint brush in the EULA but thats why me and others went to the trouble in first place to find out exactly what it really does. We gave you that information, I have to assume you read what we gave you by now. 

I have, but in this particular post I was referring more to potential issues regarding the defense of consumer rights in court than I was Origin.

Well your consumer rights laws in your own country take precedence over what it written in the EULA. I do not know your nation herald from so therefore do not know what your specific consumer laws are. If you have such laws then you should not be worried as you are covered. 

[Ryzaki]

Daeel wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

strive wrote...

As others have said EULA are not enforcable in law in most countries.

I just thought it was the EU that had laws against it and a few nations outside it. I'm pretty sure Canada and the United States (who I assume are their money cow) don't have any laws against the terms in their EULA.

I live in the UK so I cannot speak for what will happen in the USA. Here regardless of what the EULA states we are covered by our own laws on consumer rights which take precedence.

Don't be so sure about that.

http://www.geekosyst...le-extradition/

Seriously that's crazy. I can't believe the UK is letting them get away with that.

[Sundance31us]

photographerleia wrote...
Then the problem I see here, is the EULA is not too terribly explicit about the kind of information they might collect.  When they can afford better lawyers than I, that leaves them a lot of wiggle room in court.

The link below is the most recent EA Privacy Policy .

ELECTRONIC ARTS PRIVACY POLICY
Effective Date: December 5, 2011
http://tos.ea.com/le...IVACY/US/en/PC/

We have adopted this global online Privacy Policy to explain how we store and use personal and non-personal information we collect online on our websites, during your use of our online products and/or services (including online game play) and on mobile platforms.

It's not an EULA, but it does try to explain how they handle our information.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Daeel wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

strive wrote...

As others have said EULA are not enforcable in law in most countries.

I just thought it was the EU that had laws against it and a few nations outside it. I'm pretty sure Canada and the United States (who I assume are their money cow) don't have any laws against the terms in their EULA.

I live in the UK so I cannot speak for what will happen in the USA. Here regardless of what the EULA states we are covered by our own laws on consumer rights which take precedence.

Don't be so sure about that.

http://www.geekosyst...le-extradition/

Yeah , but it's clearly written no private data will be used by origin.That means if they break the wording in the eula , you will be able to sue single or class action.Similar to how Sony is being sued by people who pretty much had to agree to the eula terms in order to play their games.

[lucidfox]

So, Mass Effect is ruined forever.

Pity, but expected. Well, congratulations, EA - you won't get the money I would have paid for ME3.

[Dragoonlordz]

Daeel wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

strive wrote...

As others have said EULA are not enforcable in law in most countries.

I just thought it was the EU that had laws against it and a few nations outside it. I'm pretty sure Canada and the United States (who I assume are their money cow) don't have any laws against the terms in their EULA.

I live in the UK so I cannot speak for what will happen in the USA. Here regardless of what the EULA states we are covered by our own laws on consumer rights which take precedence.

Don't be so sure about that.

http://www.geekosyst...le-extradition/

I know the already story thanks. He is not covered by consumer rights laws we are talking about here for his creating a site which supplied him with over £200k+ income based on directing people to pirated movies. His excuse of it was no different than google did not fly with the judge in that case. In the UK your consumer rights vs EULA's is exactly as I stated.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:40 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Sundance31us wrote...

photographerleia wrote...
Then the problem I see here, is the EULA is not too terribly explicit about the kind of information they might collect.  When they can afford better lawyers than I, that leaves them a lot of wiggle room in court.

The link below is the most recent EA Privacy Policy .

ELECTRONIC ARTS PRIVACY POLICY
Effective Date: December 5, 2011
http://tos.ea.com/le...IVACY/US/en/PC/

We have adopted this global online Privacy Policy to explain how we store and use personal and non-personal information we collect online on our websites, during your use of our online products and/or services (including online game play) and on mobile platforms.

It's not an EULA, but it does try to explain how they handle our information.

Now see you have to be careful with the wording.Actually it saying personal information going through their site and not on your personal computer.This could be credit card information that you use to purchase games through the store.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:42 .

[photographerleia]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

photographerleia wrote...

TBH it's sad that we even have to think about this.  This should not have to be a consideration when trying to decide if one wishes to purchase a video game or not.

We shouldn't , personally everyone here seems like great people who just want to play their game of choice.But because someone has handed down orders to use origin , it's ignited  a fire storm.

We feel as if our emotions have been put through the wringer.  We feel betrayed by a company we have long supported and lauded.  Most importantly, we feel ignored and helpless in the face of cold, impwersonal, coporate powergames that have no place being here in the first place.  Some genuine acknowlegement of the community's anger, and some genuine statement that made us actually believe they would look into the matter, would go a long way right about now.  The problem is, they have abused out trust enough in the past couple years that even if they said they would look into it ... I'm not sure we would believe them.  They would have to be really really convincing, and I'm not sure EA/Bioware has that in them anymore.

[outlaw1109]

[quote]Dragoonlordz wrote...

[quote]Daeel wrote...

[quote]Dragoonlordz wrote...

[quote]strive wrote...


[quote]As others have said EULA are not enforcable in law in most countries.[/quote]

I just thought it was the EU that had laws against it and a few nations outside it. I'm pretty sure Canada and the United States (who I assume are their money cow) don't have any laws against the terms in their EULA.[/quote]

I live in the UK so I cannot speak for what will happen in the USA. Here regardless of what the EULA states we are covered by our own laws on consumer rights which take precedence.

[/quote]

Don't be so sure about that.

http://www.geekosyst...le-extradition/
[/quote]

I know the already story thanks. He is not covered by consumer rights laws we are talking about here for his creating a site which supplied him with over £200k+ income based on directing people to pirated movies. His excuse of it was no different than google did not fly with the judge in that case. In the UK your consumer rights vs EULA's is exactly as I stated.

[/quote]

[quote]Edit

'd by the above post.

Modifié par outlaw1109, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:46 .

[Adugan]

lucidfox wrote...

So, Mass Effect is ruined forever.

Pity, but expected. Well, congratulations, EA - you won't get the money I would have paid for ME3.

Its no different than Westwood/EALA, Pandemic, Tiburon.