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[Rockworm503]

Shermos wrote...



You're kidding yourself buddy, and you're paranoid. You might want to see someone about it.

I'm paranoid for not eating up everything EA shoves down my throat and liking it?
I'm kidding myself for being confident in my anti spyware?

[charmingcharlie]

strive wrote... Even if I didn't think it would do any good I'd take 5-10mins to compile 'evidence'. So he can't turn around and say you did nothing. I'd think 10 minutes of your time is worth the chance if you felt passionate enough not to buy the game over Origin.

You know something Strive it may come as a bit of a shock here but I am the CUSTOMER here.  I should not be having to prove or show evidence about a companies damn program.  They should be going out of their way to convince me and PROVE to me that their program is not spyware and no a statement like "oh it aint spyware, honest we would never do that" is not good enough.

So far there are pleny of people indicating that they do not like or want Origin and it is EA's job to convince us otherwise.

[iconoclasts]

Cancelling my pre-order. It's really unfortunate. Having to use another product to validate a physical copy of a game is stupid.

[goofyomnivore]

You know something Strive it may come as a bit of a shock here but I am the CUSTOMER here. I should not be having to prove or show evidence about a companies damn program. They should be going out of their way to convince me and PROVE to me that their program is not spyware and no a statement like "oh it aint spyware, honest we would never do that" is not good enough.

He said it wasn't and asked for 'evidence' if you disagree. He even explained its function in relation to Mass Effect 3. Now obviously you disagree he can't help you the customer without you accommodating him the 'evidence' on the issue. If my game is broken, I can't call EA and say fix it, I gotta give them evidence and information about my problem.

So far there are pleny of people indicating that they do not like or want Origin and it is EA's job to convince us otherwise.

I'd say there are more that don't care. Look at BF3 it is much more popular than any other BF title despite Origin.

Modifié par strive, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:04 .

[GipsyDangeresque]

Alright, I thought I was proven wrong earlier but further research might still vindicate me? I'm not sure.

"Collection and Use of Information
By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Valve shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.

"Aggregate information" is information that describes the habits, usage patterns, and demographics of users as a group but does not describe or reveal the identity of any particular user."


I swear I'm not making this up, the thing is that this phrasing is not included in Steam's EULA. Instead, it is in Steam's Privacy Policy. You apparently agree to this clause by creating a Steam account and accepting it, or you auto accept all changes to the privacy policy within 30 days of not deleting your account after the change is made.

I mean, I'm not an expert on this subject or anything it's just stuff I read when I was following this whole controversy back when it was first hitting the scene on SomethingAwful. I can be wrong and it's not the end of the world, but it'd be stupid if I didn't bring it up. The point is that this data collection apparently goes above and outside of the Hardware Survey you get prompted for.

[Killjoy Cutter]

MartinDN wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

CenturyCrow wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I appreciate everyone's patience on this topic. Please continue to ask questions about Mass Effect 3 and Origin and I will continue to try to get the answers for you.

For those who are wary of what Origin might scan: Will using Sandboxie, firewall settings, password protecting folders, etc, for privacy/security, be considered as an attempt to circumvent DRM?

From what we've seen so far, the answer appears to be "yes". 

This is more of a reply to yours where you quoted my post, but ill do it here anyway. There is no possible way bioware could uphold that using an isolation program is bypassing DRM, as the datamining function is not a part of the DRM, an isolation program is by definition a program that isolates harmful software, and in some cases that is what origin is, whether it intends to be or not, and if they blocked the access you have to your games because of it - a lawyer would have a field day with it. And so would EA PR with the sh**storm it would cause.

They've locked multiple threads, and stated in their "LOCK" posts that it was for discussion of circumventing copy protection", immediately after sandboxing Origin came up.  They've made it clear that they'll consider it a violation. 

If they lock you out of using Origin, then it's up to YOU to take THEM to court in order to make them reverse the lock.  Your money, your time, your lawyers, against EA.  Good luck. 

[Shermos]

Adanu wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

2) Is constant Origin connection required or is it a single one off authentication when the game is first installed. Is there also a limit to the number of installations available?
Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single authorization for the single player game. There is no limit to the number of installs. Playing Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer will require a constant connection.

This is really the only thing that interested me. As always, this is good news.

This. Thanks for the update Chris. I think most of the people who saying crap like "pre order cancelled" are just here to troll, attack Bioware, and wouldn't have bought the game anyway.

Good for you for knowing flat out why we're not buying the game.
Yeah I have the first 2 games and I just like hanging around here for the lulz 
Hey if you enjoy your computer being scanned and having all of yoru privacy taking away by all means enjoy Origin.  I was looking forward to finishing the series but I like my computer spyware free more.

If you want your computer to be spyware free, stop using the internet.

You don't know much about computers.
My computer is perfectly spyware free.

You're kidding yourself buddy, and you're paranoid. You might want to see someone about it.

Theres plenty of programs out there specific made to dea lwith Spyware. I have quite a few of them and they work wonderfully.

Try again.

None of them are perfect. The fact is, if you use the internet, you're computer is vulnerable to spyware, no matter what you do to protect your system. It's just a fact of life which you have to accept.

[Killjoy Cutter]

jreezy wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

It is pretty clear that come what may EA are going to try and shove Origin down our throats.  They do not care about our concerns or the issues we have.  There entire attitude towards Origin is "you will damn well like it and thank us for it",

Correction: That is your perception of their entire attitude towards Origin.

No, that's their entire attitude in a nutshell. 

If it wasn't, then we wouldn't have to choose between installing Origin, and no ME3.

[Icinix]

strive wrote...

I'd say there are more that don't care.

Just because a large number don't care  - doesn't mean the ones that do should be disregarded.

The second that starts happening we're all in real trouble.

[charmingcharlie]

strive wrote... He said it wasn't and asked for 'evidence' if you disagree. He even explained its function in relation to Mass Effect 3. Now obviously you disagree he can't help you the customer without you accommodating him the 'evidence' on the issue. If my game is broken, I can't call EA and say fix it, I gotta give them evidence and information about my problem.

He can't help AT ALL don't you get it yet ?  He is just a community liason guy at Bioware.  It is just platitudes that is all we ever get from Bioware.

strive wrote... I'd say there are more that don't care. Look at BF3 it is much more popular than any other BF title despite Origin.

You are basing that on what exactly ?  I have not seen any numbers regarding BF3's usage on the PC.  In fact I haven't seen DICE or EA crow all that much with regard to the userbase on the PC.  This is in direct contrast to the last Battlefield game on the PC when they just couldn't shut up about how successful the game had been on the PC.

[Rockworm503]

strive wrote...

You know something Strive it may come as a bit of a shock here but I am the CUSTOMER here. I should not be having to prove or show evidence about a companies damn program. They should be going out of their way to convince me and PROVE to me that their program is not spyware and no a statement like "oh it aint spyware, honest we would never do that" is not good enough.

He said it wasn't and asked for 'evidence' if you disagree. He even explained its function in relation to Mass Effect 3. Now obviously you disagree he can't help you the customer without you accommodating him the 'evidence' on the issue. If my game is broken, I can't call EA and say fix it, I gotta give them evidence and information about my problem.

So far there are pleny of people indicating that they do not like or want Origin and it is EA's job to convince us otherwise.

I'd say there are more that don't care. Look at BF3 it is much more popular than any other BF title despite Origin.

I had trouble getting Assassin's Creed Brotherhood to work once.  I called Ubisoft customer support and they sent me an Email in no time with a fix.  No one asked me for proof of anything.
I guess its just hard for some people to grasp that when someone is selling something they have to convince me to buy.

[Rockworm503]

Shermos wrote...


None of them are perfect. The fact is, if you use the internet, you're computer is vulnerable to spyware, no matter what you do to protect your system. It's just a fact of life which you have to accept.

It actually isn't but you're welcome to think that.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Shermos wrote...

Adanu wrote...

Theres plenty of programs out there specific made to dea lwith Spyware. I have quite a few of them and they work wonderfully.

Try again.

None of them are perfect. The fact is, if you use the internet, you're computer is vulnerable to spyware, no matter what you do to protect your system. It's just a fact of life which you have to accept.

So you're saying that because using the internet runs the risk of spyware unintentionally getting onto your computer, a risk that against which much mitigation is possible through caution and protection software... we should have no problem voluntarily installing a giant piece of malware (Origin) just so that we can play a game? 

[Il Divo]

Everyone, we need to look on the bright side; I have successfully managed to slay Seath the Scaleless and am now preparing to turn my wrath upon the Witch of Izalith. Lordran will be free this day!

[Sundance31us]

Chris Priestly wrote...
4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Since he ends the first sentence with “at this time”, there is always the possibility that Steam may have ME3 available at some point in the future.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Translation:

"Steam at times offers discounted PC DLC for its customers. We don't want to allow PC gamers to have access to discounted DLC ever, as you can see with Mass Effect 2."

[Killjoy Cutter]

Eventual Steam distribution wouldn't solve the problem of needing to install crapware just to play the actual game.

[Rockworm503]

Sundance31us wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Since he ends the first sentence with “at this time”, there is always the possibility that Steam may have ME3 available at some point in the future.

For many of us that isn't the issue.  I'm not a big enough Steam fanboy to go "I'm not buying a game because its not on Steam"
I am however weary of anything that takes away my privacy rights.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:14 .

[GipsyDangeresque]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Translation:

"Steam at times offers discounted PC DLC for its customers. We don't want to allow PC gamers to have access to discounted DLC ever, as you can see with Mass Effect 2."

It's not about discounts, Origin's store just did a huge 40% sale thing too, just like Steam does from time to time. The idea is that they want all of the profit for themselves, and not to split it 70/30 with Valve. Then again, you have to value the kind of service that Valve is providing to you if you distribute through them, and the fact that in-store retailers split the profits more along the lines of 30/70 (which makes Valve and Steam's deal look a lot fairer.)

Still, it's EA's own greedy perogative if they want all of the money for their games for themselves.

Modifié par Atemeus, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:16 .

[Sundance31us]

charmingcharlie wrote...
He can't help AT ALL don't you get it yet ?  He is just a community liason guy at Bioware.  It is just platitudes that is all we ever get from Bioware.

He did get us an answer about ME3 and Origin. You could at least give him a chance.

[didymos1120]

Ghost-621 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Well, Bioware/EA, you have stomped out every little chance of me reconsidering that cancelled pre-order.

There actually was any?

Try ValvE, Hi-Res, Red5. 

I've spoken with Gabe personally. It shows. Steam doesn't scan your private files like Origin does.

Um...what?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Atemeus wrote...

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Translation:

"Steam at times offers discounted PC DLC for its customers. We don't want to allow PC gamers to have access to discounted DLC ever, as you can see with Mass Effect 2."

It's not about discounts, Origin's store just did a huge 40% sale thing too, just like Steam does from time to time. The idea is that they want all of the profit for themselves, and not to split it 70/30 with Valve. Then again, you have to value the kind of service that Valve is providing to you if you distribute through them, and the fact that in-store retailers split the profits more along the lines of 30/70 (which makes Valve and Steam's deal look a lot fairer.)

Still, it's EA's own greedy perogative if they want all of the money for their games for themselves.

Plus, they want you to pay them AND to profit from selling your private information to third parties. 

[goofyomnivore]

He can't help AT ALL don't you get it yet ? He is just a community liason guy at Bioware. It is just platitudes that is all we ever get from Bioware.

Chris, may or may not helping isn't the point. Bringing up the 'evidence' is the point. Chris Priestly isn't going to fix your problem alone in one post. It is going to be a process.

You are basing that on what exactly ? I have not seen any numbers regarding BF3's usage on the PC. In fact I haven't seen DICE or EA crow all that much with regard to the userbase on the PC. This is in direct contrast to the last Battlefield game on the PC when they just couldn't shut up about how successful the game had been on the PC.

Being on the game? I play it quite often there are x2 amount of servers for BF3 as there was for BFBC2 which was more popular than any of the others. Not to mention EA flat out said it was the most successful FPS launch for them on all platforms.

BF3 also has about 20,000 - 40,000 more players than MW3 on at a time. This is the first time I can remember it being more popular on PC than CoD since the BF2 days.

Modifié par strive, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:21 .

[Luvinn]

Talk about speculation and conspiracy theories all you like, but there is also some undeniable facts to why i do not want to install this POS software called Origin. Namely, it is still buggy as hell. Look at the threads in the EA forums. There is over 5000 threads about people with problems with origin, with problems ranging from downloads stopping at 99%, randomly downloading over 5gb of data, downloads get interrupted and start over at 0%, people who months later were still unable to use BF3, the list goes on. Not to mention the horrible customer service. Need to call in a problem? Get ready to get transferred to India.

The sad fact is, people WANT to give Bioware their money for the game. I personally was excited as hell to get ME3. I just can't for the life of me fathom why Bioware is making it so hard for people to get it. Even if I didn't care about Origin, why would you make it one step harder, thus one more potential problem in order to play a SINGLE PLAYER game? Maybe you need a 2 year business degree to understand that.......

Modifié par Luvinn, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:18 .

[GipsyDangeresque]

How does talking face-to-face with someone mean they aren't corrupt? Aren't politicians normally so pleasant to talk to in person, and then turn around and take bribes from corporations and lobbyists to serve interests other than those of their constituents?

According to Steam's Privacy Policy, apparently it does gather some "non-personally identifiable" aggregate data about you, even if you don't opt-in to the random monthly hardware survey, which you agree to when you create your Steam account. They can also give this data to third parties.