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[Unit-Alpha]

Adugan wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

It may be possible to sandbox the whole thing and prevent it from sending out anything. Programs like Sandboxie and the sandbox app from Avast! will probably do the job.

Watch out, Chris deletes posts like that. He deleted my thread on this subject.

That is... disconcerting.

Yep. He says it is copyright circumvention and refuses to explain further. I dont think he fully understands what the program does.

Well, that's unfortunate. Chris, I can send you a copy of my preorder purchase confirmation if that's what you need to assure yourself that I'm not planning to use such a program in an illegal manner. <_<

I think he believes that the program can be used to do something 
 illegal with
legitimate purchases. I am not sure exactly what, and it is very
disrespectful that he ignores me and will not tell me what. Your
perorder proof will not do much imo.

Yeah, that was a bit of a sarcastic comment on that front. Still not sure how he believes that, but I suppose he's the boss around here

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:40 .

[Adugan]

Bleh. You quoted my bad grammar before I edited it, lol.

[Unit-Alpha]

Adugan wrote...

Bleh. You quoted my bad grammar before I edited it, lol.

Fixed

[Adugan]

Haha thanks.

[outlaw1109]

Unit-Alpha wrote...


So there is no difference. The point I'm trying to make is that as long as Origin is installed and it required to allow the game to start, that means there is some trigger in the game exe which would force a limited version of the program to open whenever you start the game.

Simply checking a reg entry to ensure that the game is legit due to a copy of Origin being installed is unlikely as it is very easy to create a reg entry that would still trigger as a valid copy.

i believe it works a little differently than that.  I haven't investigated this, but I think it works:  first time run, origin opens, validates client.  Next run time and consequtive run times, game exe verifies origin is installed.  I have personally verified via a process monitor or two, that Origin doesn't run in the background of SP games that require a one-time only run.

[Unit-Alpha]

outlaw1109 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...


So there is no difference. The point I'm trying to make is that as long as Origin is installed and it required to allow the game to start, that means there is some trigger in the game exe which would force a limited version of the program to open whenever you start the game.

Simply checking a reg entry to ensure that the game is legit due to a copy of Origin being installed is unlikely as it is very easy to create a reg entry that would still trigger as a valid copy.

i believe it works a little differently than that.  I haven't investigated this, but I think it works:  first time run, origin opens, validates client.  Next run time and consequtive run times, game exe verifies origin is installed.  I have personally verified via a process monitor or two, that Origin doesn't run in the background of SP games that require a one-time only run.

Interesting... guess it's time to put that free (after coupon) Dead Space 2 DL from Amazon to the test. Thanks for checking that.

[Grammarye]

tishyw wrote...

Chris, a couple of questions:

Does Origin need to be running in the background to play the single player game?
Can we uninstall Origin after authenticating ME3 and still play the game?
Do we need a constant connect to the internet to play the single player game?

Thanks

I too would like some official answers & promises on this from Bioware & EA (not that I am disputing what others have claimed subsequent, and it's interesting to see, more that I don't believe a word until I see it in black & white from the developer themselves as to how they specifically are going to use a given service. Past performance is not an indicator of future developments unfortunately).

The moment it runs a background client I don't trust and/or connects to the Internet for my singleplayer game is the moment I am perfectly prepared to wait 3 years until the game is in the bargain basement; I have the willpower to do so with plenty of other games. Your choice, EA, lots of $ now or very few $ a lot later.

However, to phrase the third question another way that might be more telling:

Will the game or service require an internet connection when you start the game up for subsequent play after activation has concluded? (constant or no afterwards). In other words, can the game be played entirely offline?

Thanks.

Modifié par Grammarye, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:53 .

[Docjam]

lucidfox wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Its no different than Westwood/EALA, Pandemic, Tiburon.

I don't know any of these names. But if I did and they used something like Origin, I'd boycott them too.

Those are all studios that EA acquired and subsequently shut down.

Westwood were the creators of the Command and Conquer franchise, EA bought them, and eventually shut them down, and continues to develop command and conquer games without them (like Bioware is developing the next C&C game)

Pandemic, is the studio that created Star Wars Battlefront and Battlefront II.  EA bought them and then shut them down.

ORIGIN itself, used to be a development studio, famous for dveloping the Ultima series and Wing Commander series.  EA acquired them, cancelled all their projects, and Richard Garriot (Lord British himself) left and made a new studio, EA shut them down, and now necro'ed the Origin brand name for their digital distribution/DRM/Spyware suite.

[Parahexavoctal]

Chris Priestly wrote...

As I originally posted, please take your complaints that Mass Effect 3 is not available on Steam, to Steam.

However, I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam. We used to have a good relationship with Steam. The more stores and digital retailers who sell our games, the more customers can buy the games and the money we can make. We are working with digital retailers like Direct2Drive and others so we are not Origin exclusive by any means. Unfortunately, Steam changed their policies and we are currently not able to come to an agreement that allows us to be on Steam. We were on Steam for ME2. We were on Steam for Dragon Age II until we had to remove it, again because Steam changed their policies. We would be on Steam now if their policies allowed us to be there. I do not know if a significant number of fans complaining to Steam that they want Mass Effect 3 to be on Steam will have an effect or not, but it certainly will not hurt. Steam is a great service and I would hope that we will work with them if it becomes possible for us to do so.

I have a question for you, if you please:

What exactly is it in Steam's policy that is a deal breaker? What exactly is this "interaction" that you can't do with us to "deliver patches and other downloadable content"?

The explanation so far has been so vague that there is no way for me to make an informed decision on this. You're asking us to take your word that Steam are the bad guys here, and suggesting we complain to them about it. But you are not exactly unbiased in this, since you've chosen to be *exclusive* with the direct competitor (exclusive in the sense that Origin is required regardless of where the game is bought); I can't take you on your word and vague corporate speak in this case.

I am fully prepared to contact Steam and voice my dissatisfaction with their policies if I find them unreasonable, but you simply have not provided enough information for me to make a judgment.

[lucidfox]

Once or more than once, doesn't matter. I. Do. Not. Want. Any kind of DRM.

[Unit-Alpha]

Parahexavoctal wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

As I originally posted, please take your complaints that Mass Effect 3 is not available on Steam, to Steam.

However, I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam. We used to have a good relationship with Steam. The more stores and digital retailers who sell our games, the more customers can buy the games and the money we can make. We are working with digital retailers like Direct2Drive and others so we are not Origin exclusive by any means. Unfortunately, Steam changed their policies and we are currently not able to come to an agreement that allows us to be on Steam. We were on Steam for ME2. We were on Steam for Dragon Age II until we had to remove it, again because Steam changed their policies. We would be on Steam now if their policies allowed us to be there. I do not know if a significant number of fans complaining to Steam that they want Mass Effect 3 to be on Steam will have an effect or not, but it certainly will not hurt. Steam is a great service and I would hope that we will work with them if it becomes possible for us to do so.

I have a question for you, if you please:

What exactly is it in Steam's policy that is a deal breaker? What exactly is this "interaction" that you can't do with us to "deliver patches and other downloadable content"?

The explanation so far has been so vague that there is no way for me to make an informed decision on this. You're asking us to take your word that Steam are the bad guys here, and suggesting we complain to them about it. But you are not exactly unbiased in this, since you've chosen to be *exclusive* with the direct competitor (exclusive in the sense that Origin is required regardless of where the game is bought); I can't take you on your word and vague corporate speak in this case.

I am fully prepared to contact Steam and voice my dissatisfaction with their policies if I find them unreasonable, but you simply have not provided enough information for me to make a judgment.

They want the full profits of DLC. 100%. That is literally the only reason. Policies means that Steam has DLC purchases run through Steam, rather than some outside program.

[Bogsnot1]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

It may be possible to sandbox the whole thing and prevent it from sending out anything. Programs like Sandboxie and the sandbox app from Avast! will probably do the job.

Watch out, Chris deletes posts like that. He deleted my thread on this subject.

That is... disconcerting.

Yep. He says it is copyright circumvention and refuses to explain further. I dont think he fully understands what the program does.

Well, that's unfortunate. Chris, I can send you a copy of my preorder purchase confirmation if that's what you need to assure yourself that I'm not planning to use such a program in an illegal manner. <_<

Yeah, shame that somyeaheone who is allegedly a community liason for a computer gaming company not only fails to understand the community, but also common computer terminology, as well as common practices most sane people  undertake when it comes to dealing with untrusted software. Next thing you know, threads will be locked down because someone mentions they quarantined a virus.

[Docjam]

Parahexavoctal wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

As I originally posted, please take your complaints that Mass Effect 3 is not available on Steam, to Steam.

However, I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam. We used to have a good relationship with Steam. The more stores and digital retailers who sell our games, the more customers can buy the games and the money we can make. We are working with digital retailers like Direct2Drive and others so we are not Origin exclusive by any means. Unfortunately, Steam changed their policies and we are currently not able to come to an agreement that allows us to be on Steam. We were on Steam for ME2. We were on Steam for Dragon Age II until we had to remove it, again because Steam changed their policies. We would be on Steam now if their policies allowed us to be there. I do not know if a significant number of fans complaining to Steam that they want Mass Effect 3 to be on Steam will have an effect or not, but it certainly will not hurt. Steam is a great service and I would hope that we will work with them if it becomes possible for us to do so.

I have a question for you, if you please:

What exactly is it in Steam's policy that is a deal breaker? What exactly is this "interaction" that you can't do with us to "deliver patches and other downloadable content"?

The explanation so far has been so vague that there is no way for me to make an informed decision on this. You're asking us to take your word that Steam are the bad guys here, and suggesting we complain to them about it. But you are not exactly unbiased in this, since you've chosen to be *exclusive* with the direct competitor (exclusive in the sense that Origin is required regardless of where the game is bought); I can't take you on your word and vague corporate speak in this case.

I am fully prepared to contact Steam and voice my dissatisfaction with their policies if I find them unreasonable, but you simply have not provided enough information for me to make a judgment.

Basically steam won't allow EA/Bioware to require installing Origin for copies of the game purchased on Steam

If EA/Bioware could make an agreement that someone could buy the game on Steam, but still be required to install and run Origin for the game to work, they'd be happy, but Valve won't put up with it.

[Zannana]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

2) Is constant Origin connection required or is it a single one off authentication when the game is first installed. Is there also a limit to the number of installations available?
Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single authorization for the single player game. There is no limit to the number of installs. Playing Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer will require a constant connection.

There you go Unit Alpha

There's still some question as to whether you will have to keep Origin installed after the first activation of the game. It seems to be referring to a constant connection a la Ubisoft's original DRM (which now has an offline mode) and seems to be avoiding the question of whether you will have to retain Origin to run the game afterward.

Installed.  Not running after initial verification, if it pans out to be like a couple of the other games I have on Origin.

Am I the only one who finds it strange that if you instal and authenticate the game and Origin is not running when you play the game, why would you need to keep it installed?

Modifié par Zannana, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:00 .

[Docjam]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Parahexavoctal wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

As I originally posted, please take your complaints that Mass Effect 3 is not available on Steam, to Steam.

However, I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam. We used to have a good relationship with Steam. The more stores and digital retailers who sell our games, the more customers can buy the games and the money we can make. We are working with digital retailers like Direct2Drive and others so we are not Origin exclusive by any means. Unfortunately, Steam changed their policies and we are currently not able to come to an agreement that allows us to be on Steam. We were on Steam for ME2. We were on Steam for Dragon Age II until we had to remove it, again because Steam changed their policies. We would be on Steam now if their policies allowed us to be there. I do not know if a significant number of fans complaining to Steam that they want Mass Effect 3 to be on Steam will have an effect or not, but it certainly will not hurt. Steam is a great service and I would hope that we will work with them if it becomes possible for us to do so.

I have a question for you, if you please:

What exactly is it in Steam's policy that is a deal breaker? What exactly is this "interaction" that you can't do with us to "deliver patches and other downloadable content"?

The explanation so far has been so vague that there is no way for me to make an informed decision on this. You're asking us to take your word that Steam are the bad guys here, and suggesting we complain to them about it. But you are not exactly unbiased in this, since you've chosen to be *exclusive* with the direct competitor (exclusive in the sense that Origin is required regardless of where the game is bought); I can't take you on your word and vague corporate speak in this case.

I am fully prepared to contact Steam and voice my dissatisfaction with their policies if I find them unreasonable, but you simply have not provided enough information for me to make a judgment.

They want the full profits of DLC. 100%. That is literally the only reason. Policies means that Steam has DLC purchases run through Steam, rather than some outside program.

I'm pretty sure I bought my mass effect DLC directly from Bioware, while having Mass Effect 2 from Steam, so I'm going to call foul on that reasoning.

[Docjam]

Zannana wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

outlaw1109 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

2) Is constant Origin connection required or is it a single one off authentication when the game is first installed. Is there also a limit to the number of installations available?
Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single authorization for the single player game. There is no limit to the number of installs. Playing Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer will require a constant connection.

There you go Unit Alpha

There's still some question as to whether you will have to keep Origin installed after the first activation of the game. It seems to be referring to a constant connection a la Ubisoft's original DRM (which now has an offline mode) and seems to be avoiding the question of whether you will have to retain Origin to run the game afterward.

Installed.  Not running after initial verification, if it pans out to be like a couple of the other games I have on Origin.

Am I the only one who finds it strange that if you instal and authenticate the game and Origin is not running when you play the game, why would you need to keep it installed?

Possibly services in the game interacting with Origin without Origin actively running, who knows to what end.  It screams shady.

[Adugan]

Docjam wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Parahexavoctal wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

As I originally posted, please take your complaints that Mass Effect 3 is not available on Steam, to Steam.

However, I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam. We used to have a good relationship with Steam. The more stores and digital retailers who sell our games, the more customers can buy the games and the money we can make. We are working with digital retailers like Direct2Drive and others so we are not Origin exclusive by any means. Unfortunately, Steam changed their policies and we are currently not able to come to an agreement that allows us to be on Steam. We were on Steam for ME2. We were on Steam for Dragon Age II until we had to remove it, again because Steam changed their policies. We would be on Steam now if their policies allowed us to be there. I do not know if a significant number of fans complaining to Steam that they want Mass Effect 3 to be on Steam will have an effect or not, but it certainly will not hurt. Steam is a great service and I would hope that we will work with them if it becomes possible for us to do so.

I have a question for you, if you please:

What exactly is it in Steam's policy that is a deal breaker? What exactly is this "interaction" that you can't do with us to "deliver patches and other downloadable content"?

The explanation so far has been so vague that there is no way for me to make an informed decision on this. You're asking us to take your word that Steam are the bad guys here, and suggesting we complain to them about it. But you are not exactly unbiased in this, since you've chosen to be *exclusive* with the direct competitor (exclusive in the sense that Origin is required regardless of where the game is bought); I can't take you on your word and vague corporate speak in this case.

I am fully prepared to contact Steam and voice my dissatisfaction with their policies if I find them unreasonable, but you simply have not provided enough information for me to make a judgment.

They want the full profits of DLC. 100%. That is literally the only reason. Policies means that Steam has DLC purchases run through Steam, rather than some outside program.

I'm pretty sure I bought my mass effect DLC directly from Bioware, while having Mass Effect 2 from Steam, so I'm going to call foul on that reasoning.

Purchases for Steam ME2 DLCs probably had parts of the profit go to Steam. This is just me guessing though.

[didymos1120]

lucidfox wrote...

Once or more than once, doesn't matter. I. Do. Not. Want. Any kind of DRM.

Even without Origin, you'd still have DRM you know. 

[didymos1120]

Adugan wrote...

Purchases for Steam ME2 DLCs probably had parts of the profit go to Steam. This is just me guessing though.

I don't see how since the only place to get them is here.

[lucidfox]

didymos1120 wrote...

Even without Origin, you'd still have DRM you know. 

If it had some other kind of DRM in place of Origin, I'd still not buy it.

[Adugan]

didymos1120 wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Purchases for Steam ME2 DLCs probably had parts of the profit go to Steam. This is just me guessing though.

I don't see how since the only place to get them is here.

A financial agreement to give Steam a part of the profits. Again, this is me guessing.

Lucid, the only AAA title from 2011 released without DRM is TW2. You arent getting ME3 anytime soon from EA.

Modifié par Adugan, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:06 .

[Violent_Lucidity]

Docjam wrote...

Those are all studios that EA acquired and subsequently shut down.

Westwood were the creators of the Command and Conquer franchise, EA bought them, and eventually shut them down, and continues to develop command and conquer games without them (like Bioware is developing the next C&C game)

Pandemic, is the studio that created Star Wars Battlefront and Battlefront II.  EA bought them and then shut them down.

ORIGIN itself, used to be a development studio, famous for dveloping the Ultima series and Wing Commander series.  EA acquired them, cancelled all their projects, and Richard Garriot (Lord British himself) left and made a new studio, EA shut them down, and now necro'ed the Origin brand name for their digital distribution/DRM/Spyware suite.

So, in sumation, EA destroys everything it touches, and takes the spoils for themselves.  Certainly reason enough to not buy anything from them in the future.

So long, ME3, I hardly knew ye.

[edit]  Well, would you look at that?  Guess that means I won't be buying Syndicate either.  Damn shame.

Modifié par Violent_Lucidity, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:09 .

[didymos1120]

Docjam wrote...

I'm pretty sure I bought my mass effect DLC directly from Bioware, while having Mass Effect 2 from Steam, so I'm going to call foul on that reasoning.

Yes, you did.  But Valve changed its terms of service so that DLC has to be available through Steam. ME2 and all its DLC predates that change, so it's still allowed on Steam.  Games still releasing DLC or that have yet to release at all have to comply with the new terms.  That's why DA2 got pulled.

[didymos1120]

Adugan wrote...

A financial agreement to give Steam a part of the profits. Again, this is me guessing.

Yeah, I really, really doubt it. Since Steam wasn't hosting any of the DLC, there'd be absolutely zero reason for EA to agree to that. 

[darthnick427]

Sooo as an X-box 360 gamer i have never really asked too much about Origin or I just didn't care enough. Can someone tell me why Origin being required to play ME3 is so outrageous and/or annoying?