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[Bogsnot1]

Docjam wrote...
I'm pretty sure I bought my mass effect DLC directly from Bioware, while having Mass Effect 2 from Steam, so I'm going to call foul on that reasoning.

Steam's "new and improved" policy dictates that Steam have to be able to sell the DLC as well. This is what EA disagreed with.
It has nothing to do with you getting ME2 through Steam, and DLC from Bioware.

[didymos1120]

lucidfox wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Even without Origin, you'd still have DRM you know. 

If it had some other kind of DRM in place of Origin, I'd still not buy it.

Then why do you own ME2, DA:O and DA2?

[JeffZero]

...zing.

[photographerleia]

didymos1120 wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Even without Origin, you'd still have DRM you know. 

If it had some other kind of DRM in place of Origin, I'd still not buy it.

Then why do you own ME2, DA:O and DA2?

DA:O had disc check, but required no online activation if you played without DLC.  Most people in the anti-DRM camp find that more than acceptable.  It's when you start getting into online activations, Secu-ROM, and clients that you start running into trouble.  I therefore cannot speak for DA2 and ME2.  I personally will admit to having compromised my own DRM stance for the ME series and for DA:O-U, but DA2 pushed it too far.  And, if DA2 pushed it too far, ME3 has more than crossed that line into unacceptable.  It is easier, however, to simply say one is against all DRM since generally discussion mostly applied to draconian DRM.  I do not know if that is what lucidfox meant, but it most likely has something to do with it.

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:18 .

[Docjam]

didymos1120 wrote...

Docjam wrote...

I'm pretty sure I bought my mass effect DLC directly from Bioware, while having Mass Effect 2 from Steam, so I'm going to call foul on that reasoning.

Yes, you did.  But Valve changed its terms of service so that DLC has to be available through Steam. ME2 and all its DLC predates that change, so it's still allowed on Steam.  Games still releasing DLC or that have yet to release at all have to comply with the new terms.  That's why DA2 got pulled.

I still don't think that's the full reason.  To quote Chris Priestly, EA and Bioware " are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers."

That is, the download service has to agree that origin will still be required to run the game that you bought from somewhere other than Origin.

They want to connect directly to you, via the Origin client.  If Valve doesn't want to let them do that, EA/Bioware considers it a deal breaker.

Just like many people consider requiring Origin to be a Deal-breaker.

[chance52]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Adugan wrote...



Yep. He says it is copyright circumvention and refuses to explain further. I dont think he fully understands what the program does.

Well, that's unfortunate. Chris, I can send you a copy of my preorder purchase confirmation if that's what you need to assure yourself that I'm not planning to use such a program in an illegal manner. <_<

Yeah, shame that somyeaheone who is allegedly a community liason for a computer gaming company not only fails to understand the community, but also common computer terminology, as well as common practices most sane people  undertake when it comes to dealing with untrusted software. Next thing you know, threads will be locked down because someone mentions they quarantined a virus.

Did Chris really say it circumvents copyright? I can't believe he really thinks this, no one could who put in even the briefest amount of time researching the topic.

Modifié par chance52, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:19 .

[Parahexavoctal]

If EA/Bioware could make an agreement that someone could buy the game on Steam, but still be required to install and run Origin for the game to work, they'd be happy, but Valve won't put up with it.

I wouldn't put up with it either

This reason and the suggestion that Valve wants DLC to go through Steam and take their share of the profit are the two reasons I was guessing it might be, but I can't really make a decision based on guesswork. So I'm hoping Bioware can/will give a clear answer.

[Adugan]

Chance, you messed up your quote pyramid. But yes, he answered my PM and said this.

Edit: still messed up.

Modifié par Adugan, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:18 .

[didymos1120]

Docjam wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Docjam wrote...

I'm pretty sure I bought my mass effect DLC directly from Bioware, while having Mass Effect 2 from Steam, so I'm going to call foul on that reasoning.

Yes, you did.  But Valve changed its terms of service so that DLC has to be available through Steam. ME2 and all its DLC predates that change, so it's still allowed on Steam.  Games still releasing DLC or that have yet to release at all have to comply with the new terms.  That's why DA2 got pulled.

I still don't think that's the full reason.  To quote Chris Priestly, EA and Bioware " are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers."

That is, the download service has to agree that origin will still be required to run the game that you bought from somewhere other than Origin.

They want to connect directly to you, via the Origin client.  If Valve doesn't want to let them do that, EA/Bioware considers it a deal breaker.

Just like many people consider requiring Origin to be a Deal-breaker.

"Connect directly" means "sell stuff directly to the consumer".  Selling through Steam means Valve takes a cut of the revenue.

[Zannana]

darthnick427 wrote...

Sooo as an X-box 360 gamer i have never really asked too much about Origin or I just didn't care enough. Can someone tell me why Origin being required to play ME3 is so outrageous and/or annoying?

Because in the past Origin was observed to scan files in the PC that it had no buissness to, it had a EULA that permited your personal information to be used as EA wanted and some people have lost trust that this may not be repeated at a later date. Also Origin has a bad history with forum bans that were sometimes wrongfully given and which prohibited people from playing their games. Last, but not least, EA is forcing us to instal the Origin application even if we have bought the physical copy of the game.

That's about it.

[photographerleia]

Zannana wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Sooo as an X-box 360 gamer i have never really asked too much about Origin or I just didn't care enough. Can someone tell me why Origin being required to play ME3 is so outrageous and/or annoying?

Because in the past Origin was observed to scan files in the PC that it had no buissness to, it had a EULA that permited your personal information to be used as EA wanted and some people have lost trust that this may not be repeated at a later date. Also Origin has a bad history with forum bans that were sometimes wrongfully given and which prohibited people from playing their games. Last, but not least, EA is forcing us to instal the Origin application even if we have bought the physical copy of the game.

That's about it.

Agreed, and it's not just that we would have to install it for a retail purchase, but it is the fact that we would have to install it for retail purchase single player games which are played locally on personal machines.

This pretty much sums it up though.

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:24 .

[chance52]

Adugan wrote...

Chance, you messed up your quote pyramid. But yes, he answered my PM and said this.

Edit: still messed up.

3rd times the charm!

Then I sincerely hope he was lying to you to try and get you not to use this method.  Because if he really thinks this then that is a problem. I mean in 3 minutes of googleing you can easily see that is not what it does.

[Rockworm503]

photographerleia wrote...

Zannana wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Sooo as an X-box 360 gamer i have never really asked too much about Origin or I just didn't care enough. Can someone tell me why Origin being required to play ME3 is so outrageous and/or annoying?

Because in the past Origin was observed to scan files in the PC that it had no buissness to, it had a EULA that permited your personal information to be used as EA wanted and some people have lost trust that this may not be repeated at a later date. Also Origin has a bad history with forum bans that were sometimes wrongfully given and which prohibited people from playing their games. Last, but not least, EA is forcing us to instal the Origin application even if we have bought the physical copy of the game.

That's about it.

Agreed, and it's not just that we would have to install it for a retail purchase, but it is the fact that we would have to install it for retail purchase single player games which are played locally on personal machines.

This pretty much sums it up though.

This in a nutshell really.

[WarmAndFuzzy]

Guys, I don't have nuts to search entire thread for my question, so please tell me. I preordered ME3 N7 in Russia via browser version of Origin. And there was language selection - English, Russian etc. I preordered English version. But now, I can't see any language selection at all - only Russian. I like my language - there is no special about it, but I want the original version of the game - not some sort of third party actors speech session.

So the question is: Can I play ME3 in English in Russia?

I like Joker werid jokes in english!

Modifié par WarmAndFuzzy, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:26 .

[photographerleia]

WarmAndFuzzy wrote...

Guys, I don't have nuts to search entire thread for my question, so please tell me. I preordered ME3 N7 in Russia via browser version of Origin. And There was language selection - English, russian etc. I preordered english version. But now, I can't see any language selection at all - only russian. I like my language - there is no special about it, but I want the original version of the game - not some sort of third party actors speech session.

So the question is: Can I play ME3 in english in Russia?

I like Joker werid jokes in english!

I have not seen any discussion of language localization in this thread.  I would suggest starting a new thread so that your post does not get buried and has a better chance of being answered.

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:27 .

[Rockworm503]

WarmAndFuzzy wrote...

Guys, I don't have nuts to search entire thread for my question, so please tell me. I preordered ME3 N7 in Russia via browser version of Origin. And there was language selection - English, Russian etc. I preordered English version. But now, I can't see any language selection at all - only Russian. I like my language - there is no special about it, but I want the original version of the game - not some sort of third party actors speech session.

So the question is: Can I play ME3 in English in Russia?

I like Joker werid jokes in english!

This might be the wrong thread to ask that in.

[Adugan]

Rockworm, you should make your signature bigger. People wont see the small writing.

[Docjam]

didymos1120 wrote...

Docjam wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Docjam wrote...

I'm pretty sure I bought my mass effect DLC directly from Bioware, while having Mass Effect 2 from Steam, so I'm going to call foul on that reasoning.

Yes, you did.  But Valve changed its terms of service so that DLC has to be available through Steam. ME2 and all its DLC predates that change, so it's still allowed on Steam.  Games still releasing DLC or that have yet to release at all have to comply with the new terms.  That's why DA2 got pulled.

I still don't think that's the full reason.  To quote Chris Priestly, EA and Bioware " are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers."

That is, the download service has to agree that origin will still be required to run the game that you bought from somewhere other than Origin.

They want to connect directly to you, via the Origin client.  If Valve doesn't want to let them do that, EA/Bioware considers it a deal breaker.

Just like many people consider requiring Origin to be a Deal-breaker.

"Connect directly" means "sell stuff directly to the consumer".  Selling through Steam means Valve takes a cut of the revenue.

Yeah that must be it, it can't possibly be the requirement to install and run origin!

The Direct2Drive version of Mass Effect 3 will require Origin too.

As far as I know, Valve wouldn't allow a company to force you to use their DRM on top of Steam when you buy a game through Steam.

I'll point you to the steam versions of Assassin's Creed II and Splinter Cell: Conviction, both of which did NOT have Ubisoft's DRM, as Steam itself is DRM.

Modifié par Docjam, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:34 .

[Adugan]

chance52 wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Chance, you messed up your quote pyramid. But yes, he answered my PM and said this.

Edit: still messed up.

3rd times the charm!

Then I sincerely hope he was lying to you to try and get you not to use this method.  Because if he really thinks this then that is a problem. I mean in 3 minutes of googleing you can easily see that is not what it does.

Yeah :/

I would post the PM chain but Chris would probably get mad at that. I wonder what he will think and do when he reads all this, lol.

[lucidfox]

didymos1120 wrote...

Then why do you own ME2, DA:O and DA2?

You assume too much.

Anyway, the answer is - Steam.

(No, before you complain, I don't consider Steam DRM.)

[didymos1120]

Docjam wrote...

Yeah that must be it, it can't possibly be the requirement to install and run origin!

I love how skeptical you are that EA's motives are monetary. That's pretty funny.

Modifié par didymos1120, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:38 .

[Adugan]

didymos1120 wrote...

I love how skeptical you are that EA's motives aren't monetary. That's pretty funny.

How would you explain the copyright circumvention thing?

[didymos1120]

Adugan wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

I love how skeptical you are that EA's motives aren't monetary. That's pretty funny.

How would you explain the copyright circumvention thing?

I have no idea.  That has nothing to do with what I was responding to.  See my edit.

[MoonshineFox]

Just adding my voice here.

I'm really, really disappointed in this. I bought both ME1 and ME2 on Steam and a bucketload of DLCs for ME2 simply because they were awesome games. I have no doubt ME3 will be fantastic, but with this whole Origin woo-ha-hah, I'm simply not going to get ME3 at all. I was considering getting a boxed version since I knew it wouldn't be on Steam, but now that even boxed versions will require Origin as well, that's an effective show stopper.

Thank you for your hard work, Bioware! It's only sad that you had to sell your soul to the devil on this :/


*signing out for the last time*

[didymos1120]

lucidfox wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Then why do you own ME2, DA:O and DA2?

You assume too much.

Don't see how.  It's pretty easy to check your BSN profile and see you own them for PC.  That means DRM of one form or another, period.

Anyway, the answer is - Steam.

(No, before you complain, I don't consider Steam DRM.)

Bet those goal posts are pretty heavy.

Modifié par didymos1120, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:40 .