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[Wittand25]

Emoking wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

So basically Steam is asking anyone wishing to use their service to spend more money and effort on developing something that will only benefit Steam and nobody else and a give Steam a share of the income said effort generates.
 

I'll take issue with that bolded point.

Having it on Steam would benefit me -  the consumer. As I said many pages back, using the BioWare store to download and install 2gb of DLC everytime I want to install and play a Mass Effect or Dragon Age game negatively affects my enjoyment of the game. Why should I spend absolute hours doing something that, if the DLC were on Steam, would be done automatically?

Again, I'll quote the PR from the first post:

"We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible
experience no matter where they purchase or play their game"

I do not have the best experience when I have to spend so long jumping through hoops and downloading seperate files, simply to play their game.

Well rejoyce in that case, since the Origin client is basically intented as a Steam clone anyway you can trust that downloading DLC via Origin will soon be as comfortable as downloading it via Steam. [this is supposed to be ironic in several ways]
Also I am unaware that you have to redownload for everytime playing, I just need to to it once per instalation and since I kept the DLC files I do not even need to redownload the DLC even if I install the games from scratch. DA:O is actually supposed to download DLC automatically (not that I ever got that to work, I was actually glad this feature was dropped for ME2 and DA2).

[didymos1120]

ETermin wrote...

what if this just EA's way of enacting Sopa/PiPa by trying to increase piracy temporarily?

Oh, FFS.  EA is many things, but "Bond villain" isn't one of them.

[EimiYoshikawa]

Emoking wrote...

Yeah, I don't have to have it on Steam. I would prefer it, but if there was a physical disc that didn't have Origin, I'd pick that up straight away, and maybe buy it on Steam when it got there.

Exactly, likewise. I'd prefer to be able to buy it on Steam, but I wouldn't shed a tear or waste a day if I could still go to a retail store and buy a physical copy (without Origin being required) instead.

[abaris]

EimiYoshikawa wrote...


Of course it's all right for them to do so. It simply strikes me as being financially risky, as it is unlikely that their Origin gambit will produce enough profits to offset the loss of sales via Steam. Any critiquing I was doing was off their business acumen, not their right to do as they wish with their own products.

And that's where you're probably wrong and I'm speaking from my own professional experience.

ME3 is the last instalment of a trilogy, so they're building on a massive fanbase wanting to finish that trilogy at all costs. As can be seen in this very thread, there are enough people thinking nothing of installing yet another client and pull the "nothing to hide" card whilst they are drooling over the previews. So they're introducing their own business model with the last part of a well established franchise, whilst upping the hype at every possible occasion.

[Lumikki]

Emoking wrote...

The choice of buying Mass Effect/Dragon Age DLC from other shops. Which, let's be honest, sucks. Not saying they aren't allowed to do it, but I like to have some freedom to purchase games and DLC, even if I have to register it on the same place (Origin, Steam, whereever).

Yes, it sucks, but that's because greed. Companies don't want to share they money if they don't have to. We customers allways suffer because these stuff.

Problem here is that Valve and EA doesn't really have good reason to do business. When I say business, I mean MONEY, not providing service to customers.

Only way I see this working is when Origin would become equal popular as Steam, then make agreement of sharing everyting between both digital distribution softwares. How ever, if customers can't accept Origin client, because privacy issues, it will never happen. Respecting they customers is first step EA needs to be doing.

In companies viewpoint, loosing 30% of customers is same as losing 30% from profit.
Valve -30% in profit
Origin -30% of customers.

EA's problem in they politics is that they only count money, never the human aspect as customer service. Too much weight in money, too little to make customers happy.

Modifié par Lumikki, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:35 .

[Pixieking]

Wittand25 wrote...

Well rejoyce in that case, since the Origin client is basically intented as a Steam clone anyway you can trust that downloading DLC via Origin will soon be as comfortable as downloading it via Steam. [this is supposed to be ironic in several ways]

Right. So a piece of software that has existed for 7 years in one form or another still doesn't let me download ME2 DLC, and I'm supposed to trust that they'll add in support for it at a later date. :innocent:

Also I am unaware that you have to redownload for everytime playing, I just need to to it once per instalation and since I kept the DLC files I do not even need to redownload the DLC even if I install the games from scratch.

Yeah... If I had the disc-space, and didn't do a clean-reinstall of Windows every 6 months anyway, I'd do the same. Pity I don't have the disc-space, and do do a clean reinstall.

Modifié par Emoking, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:29 .

[CroGamer002]

Emoking wrote...

The choice of buying Mass Effect/Dragon Age DLC from other shops. Which, let's be honest, sucks. Not saying they aren't allowed to do it, but I like to have some freedom to purchase games and DLC, even if I have to register it on the same place (Origin, Steam, whereever).

That's, stupid.


Why do you care for that?

Besides, you can only buy ME2 DLC's here.
And guess what?
NOBODY CARES!

This BS complaint came only after Origin started to exist.

[ETermin]

didymos1120 wrote...


Oh, FFS.  EA is many things, but "Bond villain" isn't one of them.

No idea what a bond villan is as I do not wtch those movies. But i was thinking strategecially. A loss in sales to collect increased pircacy rate to they can have increased support for the acts. The increased support would mean a higher approval rating and lilier to pass. Allowing EA and other companies to regulate the intertrwebs. It is known that EA does support them.

[Bogsnot1]

OperativeX wrote...

abaris wrote...

EimiYoshikawa wrote...

That is the crux of the matter. EA wants ALL the money from every DLC service, and the only way to do that is to sell it through their own storefront. Any compromise is anathema to them, even if they'd probably wind up making more profit overall due to the increased number of total sales due to people that would buy their DLC via Steam but not from them.

Yeah, but that's perfectly all right from a business point of view. I would do it too if it meant that I can keep all the profits of my creations.

But it's beside the issue. Last time I checked, this thread is about Origin being mandatory to even play the game and the unclear situation about what information it's phoning home and what it is capable of doing at some point in the future.

Actors, artists, devs, writers all have Agents. Agents help them get their work out to wider audiences and therefore receive a wider income. The fact in the matter is that Steam is one of the best Agents out there.

EA needs to get over their collective ego and stop being so greedy. Steam have been doing them a good service for years.

Not quite all of them. Bill Murray is one prime example. He has a 1900 number that people can ring and pitch ideas to a recording service. He then goes through them himself and decides which ones to follow up on.  No agent invovled, he gets 100% of his paycheck.

Not that I'm comparing EA to Bill Murray. EA's more like goatse.

[Balder84]

Wow I was just reading about this on IGN and people there are ripping EA a new hole! Like the majority I don't need/wont that Origin junk, I was on the fence about buying this game now it's a big fat NO for me. But if it dose come to Steam and the story is better then ME2 then maybe I will, I'd like to see the end of this saga after all.

So Chris you didn't sound 100% on the Steam exclusion for ME3 so what are the odds EA will put it's petty grievances aside and sell on Steam?

[Pixieking]

Mesina2 wrote...

That's, stupid.


Why do you care for that?

Besides, you can only buy ME2 DLC's here.
And guess what?
NOBODY CARES!

I do. If you don't, fine. But I do. And I'm complaining about it here. As is my right. If you don't agree with me - which you obviously don't - then you don't have to read my posts.

Mesina2 wrote...
This BS complaint came only after Origin started to exist.

Actually, it started after ME3 was announced as not going to Steam because of "a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content". Which is just so much EA PR spin that it offends me, as a consumer. I can accept Steam may be in the wrong, but I can't accept that EA is all goodness-and-light when it doesn't sell its DLC anywhere else. And the offending issue is DLC, and its exclusivity to the BioWare store.

Modifié par Emoking, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:36 .

[ETermin]

Balder84 wrote...

Wow I was just reading about this on IGN and people there are ripping EA a new hole! Like the majority I don't need/wont that Origin junk, I was on the fence about buying this game now it's a big fat NO for me. But if it dose come to Steam and the story is better then ME2 then maybe I will, I'd like to see the end of this saga after all.

So Chris you didn't sound 100% on the Steam exclusion for ME3 so what are the odds EA will put it's petty grievances aside and sell on Steam?

they will probably pull an ubisoft since they have you download it via steam now, but you still have to go through their launcher. In EA's case they would have you go through origin.

Modifié par ETermin, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:35 .

[EimiYoshikawa]

abaris wrote...

And that's where you're probably wrong and I'm speaking from my own professional experience.

ME3 is the last instalment of a trilogy, so they're building on a massive fanbase wanting to finish that trilogy at all costs. As can be seen in this very thread, there are enough people thinking nothing of installing yet another client and pull the "nothing to hide" card whilst they are drooling over the previews. So they're introducing their own business model with the last part of a well established franchise, whilst upping the hype at every possible occasion.

But this is a double-edged sword. Note the number of people who clearly recognize this attempt at manipulation and are more infuriated by it than they'd be if it was simply a side story or some other less consequential title. The anger caused by such blatantly open attempts at manipulation may well push those who would normally merely be annoyed into being so angry that they'll stick to any declarations of not buying the game at all.

I suppose that only time will tell.

[ETermin]

double post

Modifié par ETermin, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:35 .

[abaris]

EimiYoshikawa wrote...

But this is a double-edged sword. Note the number of people who clearly recognize this attempt at manipulation and are more infuriated by it than they'd be if it was simply a side story or some other less consequential title. The anger caused by such blatantly open attempts at manipulation may well push those who would normally merely be annoyed into being so angry that they'll stick to any declarations of not buying the game at all.

I suppose that only time will tell.

Yes, time will tell.

But you have to be aware that people actually posting on boards are a minority. People, actually knowing what clients are capable of doing are the minority of a minority.

One thing I am absolutely certain of is that they never move to steam. Steam is the competitor and they have enough financial backing to pull it through, even if it means losing some potential buyers. Establishing their own business model is worth more than the sales of a single game.

[Pixieking]

abaris wrote...

EimiYoshikawa wrote...

But this is a double-edged sword. Note the number of people who clearly recognize this attempt at manipulation and are more infuriated by it than they'd be if it was simply a side story or some other less consequential title. The anger caused by such blatantly open attempts at manipulation may well push those who would normally merely be annoyed into being so angry that they'll stick to any declarations of not buying the game at all.

I suppose that only time will tell.

Yes, time will tell.

But you have to be aware that people actually posting on boards are a minority. People, actually knowing what clients are capable of doing are the minority of a minority.

One thing I am absolutely certain of is that they never move to steam. Steam is the competitor and they have enough financial backing to pull it through, even if it means losing some potential buyers. Establishing their own business model is worth more than the sales of a single game.

Oh, I think they will move to Steam. They may not do it for a few of years - you're right, inasmuch as they do want to establish their business model now. But, honestly? There's games just appearing on Steam now that are 5 and 6 years old. Games which anyone who cares about them has already bought long ago. Fable: The Lost Chapters, Age of Empires 3... Once EA have eked out all the major sales for the ME and DA series, they'll turn up on Steam in a nice little Ultimate/Game of The Year package. And it makes good business sense, since you attract a whole new consumer generation who didn't even know about your game when it was only released through Origin, and are totally willing to pay to see what it's like.

And that, speaking as a wannabe journalist/analyst type, is something you can count on.

Modifié par Emoking, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:45 .

[Icinix]

"It's a philosophy that we're building a game, with Dragon Age, that is such a great value to price ratio, and we have such an ambitious and valuable, to fans, downloadable content plan that we trust our fans,"

"We're releasing a game we think they are going to see is really useful, valuable and high quality to price ration that they are going to pay us for that, because it's evident that the game is good game."It's a long game, a lot of content. The post-release content is going to motivate people to register with us and become customers long term. It's all optional, but we're confident enough with the quality of the offering that we know our fans will be loyal and support us. It's about trust -- we trust our fans. We're counting on them to keep us in business. We ask them to consider that, to not pirate, and to support us and in turn we'll be very, very supportive of them."

- Ray Muzyka - Courtesty of Destructiod - On Dragon Age disc check..

http://www.destructo...us-146344.phtml



...guessing times have changed.

[Aquem1ni]

Snake Vargas wrote...

I'm really disappointed in Bioware. They used to be a company that actually seemed to care about their fans... the Origins thing basically used up the last bit of goodwill i had left over from BGII.

If bioware really had a vioce in all this, they would never make origin mandatory. They are now controlled by ea, what makes them nothing more then paperboys. 

John Riccitiello, Frank Gibeau, Peter Moore, Rajat Taneja and Kristian Segerstrale are the real monkeys behind all this lameness

Modifié par Aquem1ni, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:47 .

[EimiYoshikawa]

abaris wrote...

Yes, time will tell.

But you have to be aware that people actually posting on boards are a minority. People, actually knowing what clients are capable of doing are the minority of a minority.

One thing I am absolutely certain of is that they never move to steam. Steam is the competitor and they have enough financial backing to pull it through, even if it means losing some potential buyers. Establishing their own business model is worth more than the sales of a single game.

That's true, they are a (tiny) minority. There could be vast numbers that will be so pissed off that they never buy ME3 at all. There may be only a handful. We can't tell.

And never say never for a corporation the size of EA. They can juggernaut through bad decisions that would send smaller corporations down for the count, but they're also surprisingly mercurial at times, reversing bad decisions that a single person might have stubbornly adhered to, should their shareholders raise enough of a ruckus at short term loss of profits.

I suppose we'll all see how it turns out in the years to come.

[abaris]

Emoking wrote...

And that, speaking as a wannabe journalist/analyst type, is something you can count on.

Well, I'm over the wannabe stage of the above mentioned for the last 20 years.

In fact I'm working in PR and media since 1990. And you may just have a point with the 5 to 6 years timespan. But I was rather responding to the ones actually expecting them to pull that trick within the next few months. And that's not going to happen.

[Aquem1ni]

well, we have a bouch of poeple on this forum

here is uk IGN with more then 800 comment. Most comment contain negative remarks concerning this whole matter:
http://uk.pc.ign.com.../1216562p1.html

I guess there are more spot on the net where people spread their hate.

[Wulfram]

Mesina2 wrote...

That's, stupid.


Why do you care for that?

Besides, you can only buy ME2 DLC's here.
And guess what?
NOBODY CARES!

This BS complaint came only after Origin started to exist.

I care.  Mostly because if it was on Steam or various other places it might go on sale occasionally. 

[Pixieking]

abaris wrote...

Emoking wrote...

And that, speaking as a wannabe journalist/analyst type, is something you can count on.

Well, I'm over the wannabe stage of the above mentioned for the last 20 years.

In fact I'm working in PR and media since 1990. And you may just have a point with the 5 to 6 years timespan. But I was rather responding to the ones actually expecting them to pull that trick within the next few months. And that's not going to happen.

Bah! I am still stuck in the wannabe-zone.

Yeah, I agree... No way it's going to happen in the next few months unless something truly unexpected happens.

[Wittand25]

Really do I have to remember people here about Half Life 2 ?

It is all good and nice to play moral outrage and boycott here, but let´s face it we all know that once the stores open the game will sell like hot cakes (and at least half of those vowing never to purchase it here now will have it on day one).

Origin will remain and depending on how succesful EA is in getting other publishers to sell via Origin it will stay and grow.

Once Diable 3 and it´s DRM/blatant-money-grab-auction-house comes around the hardcore whiners and the whining hardcores alike will have a new target for their outrage and nobody will talk much about Origin any longer.

And in a few years the situation with Origin will be exactly as it is with Steam right now. You have a bunch of hard core fan(atic)s in both the pro and the contra camp, who repeat the same fight with the same old arguments in every forum concerning a soon to be released game using the service, while the majority of customers does not even get what the fighting is about and just continues to use the service.

Call me cynical but I do not see a way to stop this from happening.

Modifié par Wittand25, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:53 .

[casadechrisso]

I would also like to add that Steam allows the customer to buy ONE single DLC for its exact price in $/€, instead of dealing with a rip-off like the Bioware point system. If I wanted to buy the Kasumi DLC for ME2, I'd have to buy only this DLC for an exact price in Euros, and if I'm lucky it's even on a special deal. Needless to say all in one store, hassle-free.

Bioware only gives me the option to buy 800 Bioware points to get a DLC for 560 (?). 240 points wasted*. I try to find another DLC to spend the rest of the pioints on.. oh, there is none. See where I'm going? Oh, and check a few hundred pages earlier for a nice screenshot of a price comparison Bioware/EA store. You'll facepalm.

Sorry, the only greedy bastard that does NOT want to give the customer the best experience here is EA.


*example, I didn't check the actual prices. But the fact remains. 

Modifié par casadechrisso, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:01 .