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[Adugan]

Wittand25 wrote...

Really do I have to remember people here about Half Life 2 ?

It is all good and nice to play moral outrage and boycott here, but let´s face it we all know that once the stores open the game will sell like hot cakes (and at least half of those vowing never to purchase it here now will have it on day one).

Origin will remain and depending on how succesful EA is in getting other publishers to sell via Origin it will stay and grow.

Once Diable 3 and it´s DRM/blatant-money-grab-auction-house comes around the hardcore whiners and the whining hardcores alike will have a new target for their outrage and nobody will talk much about Origin any longer.

And in a few years the situation with Origin will be exactly as it is with Steam right now. You have a bunch of hard core fan(atic)s in both the pro and the contra camp, who repeat the same fight with the same old arguments in every forum concerning a soon to be released game using the service, while the majority of customers does not even get what the fighting is about and just continues to use the service.

Call me cynical but I do not see a way to stop this from happening.

There are ways. Terrible, terrible ways.

[Aquem1ni]

Balder84 wrote...

Wow I was just reading about this on IGN and people there are ripping EA a new hole! Like the majority I don't need/wont that Origin junk, I was on the fence about buying this game now it's a big fat NO for me 
 

yup, I just posted that link here and that is only 1 site where they happened to announce this news. Some gamers out there will get the surprise when they install the game.

http://uk.pc.ign.com.../1216562p1.html 
Almost 900 comments and most of them are not happy gamers

I like the "big fat NO" part of your post. Same here!

[Clive Howlitzer]

casadechrisso wrote...

I would also like to add that Steam allows the customer to buy ONE single DLC for its exact price in $/€, instead of dealing with a rip-off like the Bioware point system. If I wanted to buy the Kasumi DLC for ME2, I'd have to buy only this DLC for an exact price in Euros, and if I'm lucky it's even on a special deal. Needless to say all in one store, hassle-free.

Bioware only gives me the option to buy 800 Bioware points to get a DLC for 560 (?). 240 points wasted*. I try to find another DLC to spend the rest of the pioints on.. oh, there is none. See where I'm going? Oh, and check a few hundred pages earlier for a nice screenshot of a price comparison Bioware/EA store. You'll facepalm.

Sorry, the only greedy bastard that does NOT want to give the customer the best experience here is EA.


*example, I didn't check the actual prices. But the fact remains. 

Massively agree on this. I still have a bunch of Bioware points sitting around useless. You know another not often mentioned reason I vastly prefer stuff being available on Steam? It makes buying things for my friends about a thousand times easier.
Also, I stole your banner once I saw it.

[Aquem1ni]

And in a few years the situation with Origin will be exactly as it is with Steam right now. You have a bunch of hard core fan(atic)s in both the pro and the contra camp, who repeat the same fight with the same old arguments in every forum concerning a soon to be released game using the service, while the majority of customers does not even get what the fighting is about and just continues to use the service.

are we to blame for this? I indeed intent to check all future EA release per publisher if they make origin mandatory or not. If its not mandatory then I will buy it via retail or steam. If future game will make origin mandatory then I intent not to buy them, but somehow I will play them

Anyone here know other great EA releases this upcoming year?

[Baka-Shiroi-Neko]

I was going to get the retail CE (digital ones are such poor value for money imho) Killed the pre order after reading this.
I do not want an extra client on my system. I could live with the cerberus network, but this is one step further than I will take.

And I do care about the dlc only being sold here. Which is why I own none for ME2, but own DA:O 2x with the CE+ Ultimate edition.

[casadechrisso]

Clive Howlitzer wrote...

Massively agree on this. I still have a bunch of Bioware points sitting around useless. 

Exactly. I was interested in 3 or 4 DLCs, ended up having to buy much more Bioware points than I needed, tried to find any DLCs across all games I could spend the rest on and ended up with more DLC than I wanted. I think I still have some points left. Since this probably happens to pretty much everyone who buys DLC, it's a really big side business for EA getting more cash for pretty much nothing. Of course they want to keep that. 

[Clive Howlitzer]

Aquem1ni wrote...

And in a few years the situation with Origin will be exactly as it is with Steam right now. You have a bunch of hard core fan(atic)s in both the pro and the contra camp, who repeat the same fight with the same old arguments in every forum concerning a soon to be released game using the service, while the majority of customers does not even get what the fighting is about and just continues to use the service.

are we to blame for this? I indeed intent to check all future EA release per publisher if they make origin mandatory or not. If its not mandatory then I will buy it via retail or steam. If future game will make origin mandatory then I intent not to buy them, but somehow I will play them

Anyone here know other great EA releases this upcoming year?

I think attitudes like his are the main problem. If you take everything as being outside of your power to change, nothing ever changes.

[EimiYoshikawa]

casadechrisso wrote...

I would also like to add that Steam allows the customer to buy ONE single DLC for its exact price in $/€, instead of dealing with a rip-off like the Bioware point system. If I wanted to buy the Kasumi DLC for ME2, I'd have to buy only this DLC for an exact price in Euros, and if I'm lucky it's even on a special deal. Needless to say all in one store, hassle-free.

Bioware only gives me the option to buy 800 Bioware points to get a DLC for 560 (?). 240 points wasted*. I try to find another DLC to spend the rest of the pioints on.. oh, there is none. See where I'm going? Oh, and check a few hundred pages earlier for a nice screenshot of a price comparison Bioware/EA store. You'll facepalm.

Sorry, the only greedy bastard that does NOT want to give the customer the best experience here is EA.


*example, I didn't check the actual prices. But the fact remains. 

Indeed. I probably have, like, 230 or so points I'll never be able to use.

[Bogsnot1]

Clive Howlitzer wrote...

Aquem1ni wrote...

And in a few years the situation with Origin will be exactly as it is with Steam right now. You have a bunch of hard core fan(atic)s in both the pro and the contra camp, who repeat the same fight with the same old arguments in every forum concerning a soon to be released game using the service, while the majority of customers does not even get what the fighting is about and just continues to use the service.

are we to blame for this? I indeed intent to check all future EA release per publisher if they make origin mandatory or not. If its not mandatory then I will buy it via retail or steam. If future game will make origin mandatory then I intent not to buy them, but somehow I will play them

Anyone here know other great EA releases this upcoming year?

I think attitudes like his are the main problem. If you take everything as being outside of your power to change, nothing ever changes.

Bioware and EA have been told by many of us what we intend to do should Origin be a requirement. Unfortnuately, giving that information has lead to threads being closed, deleted, censored, and people being banned.
It is not outside our power to change. We're just not allowed to talk about what we plan to do here.

[themastakillah]

were are the bioware employees?! we want some updates on this bs origin, was a smart move to announce this before the weekend so nobody was here, and they probably thought people will calm down in 2 -3 days '

[Pixieking]

Clive Howlitzer wrote...

Massively agree on this. I still have a bunch of Bioware points sitting around useless.

Yup. 80 BioWare points left in my account. Utterly utterly pointless.

[Clive Howlitzer]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Clive Howlitzer wrote...

Aquem1ni wrote...

And in a few years the situation with Origin will be exactly as it is with Steam right now. You have a bunch of hard core fan(atic)s in both the pro and the contra camp, who repeat the same fight with the same old arguments in every forum concerning a soon to be released game using the service, while the majority of customers does not even get what the fighting is about and just continues to use the service.

are we to blame for this? I indeed intent to check all future EA release per publisher if they make origin mandatory or not. If its not mandatory then I will buy it via retail or steam. If future game will make origin mandatory then I intent not to buy them, but somehow I will play them

Anyone here know other great EA releases this upcoming year?

I think attitudes like his are the main problem. If you take everything as being outside of your power to change, nothing ever changes.

Bioware and EA have been told by many of us what we intend to do should Origin be a requirement. Unfortnuately, giving that information has lead to threads being closed, deleted, censored, and people being banned.
It is not outside our power to change. We're just not allowed to talk about what we plan to do here.

So true. At least I can still vote with my wallet.

[damp]

casadechrisso wrote...

I would also like to add that Steam allows the customer to buy ONE single DLC for its exact price in $/€, instead of dealing with a rip-off like the Bioware point system. If I wanted to buy the Kasumi DLC for ME2, I'd have to buy only this DLC for an exact price in Euros, and if I'm lucky it's even on a special deal. Needless to say all in one store, hassle-free.

Bioware only gives me the option to buy 800 Bioware points to get a DLC for 560 (?). 240 points wasted*. I try to find another DLC to spend the rest of the pioints on.. oh, there is none. See where I'm going? Oh, and check a few hundred pages earlier for a nice screenshot of a price comparison Bioware/EA store. You'll facepalm.

Sorry, the only greedy bastard that does NOT want to give the customer the best experience here is EA.


*example, I didn't check the actual prices. But the fact remains. 

It isn't just the pricing scheme that is wrong though, it is the entire delivery mechanism as well. For example I have several Steam games with DLC, both free and paid for DLC  and the steam experience for buying was - "buy the DLC using real currency and it installed and worked". A subsequent instalation on a a different PC was "install the game and the DLC was included automatically and it worked".

Quite frankly the experince for getting the free DLC for ME1 and ME2 was a miserable experience, after installing the game via steam I needed to go to the relevant Bioware / ea site, search for the DLC (an experience that was a lot harder than it needed to be), register an account, download the DLC and then install each piece in turn. When installing again on a second pc I had to re-find and re-download and reinstall all the DLC again as I didn't have access to the installers I had saved on the original PC.

The effort and time I had to spend to get the free stuff was reason enough to not get the paid DLC; the "use real currency to buy pretend currency to buy things that don't quite equate in value to the pretend currency you have bought" would have prevented me from buying it though if the initial experince hadn't put me off so much.

I am wondering if this is the customer experience EA and Bioware are so proud of that they insist it is the only way to do things? IF so they obviously have different priorities to myself on this one.

Modifié par damp, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:21 .

[casadechrisso]

Emoking wrote...

Utterly utterly pointless.

Or rather, not pointless at all, you still have some... harr... harr.... 

[Clive Howlitzer]

damp wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

I would also like to add that Steam allows the customer to buy ONE single DLC for its exact price in $/€, instead of dealing with a rip-off like the Bioware point system. If I wanted to buy the Kasumi DLC for ME2, I'd have to buy only this DLC for an exact price in Euros, and if I'm lucky it's even on a special deal. Needless to say all in one store, hassle-free.

Bioware only gives me the option to buy 800 Bioware points to get a DLC for 560 (?). 240 points wasted*. I try to find another DLC to spend the rest of the pioints on.. oh, there is none. See where I'm going? Oh, and check a few hundred pages earlier for a nice screenshot of a price comparison Bioware/EA store. You'll facepalm.

Sorry, the only greedy bastard that does NOT want to give the customer the best experience here is EA.


*example, I didn't check the actual prices. But the fact remains. 

It isn't just the pricing scheme that is wrong though, it is the entire delivery mechanism as well. For example I have several Steam games with DLC, both free and paid for DLC  and the steam experience for buying was - "buy the DLC using real currency and it installed and worked". A subsequent instalation on a a different PC was "install the game and the DLC was included automatically and it worked".

Quite frankly the experince for getting the free DLC for ME1 and ME2 was a miserable experience, after installing the game via steam I needed to go to the relevant Bioware / ea site, search for the DLC (an experience that was a lot harder than it needed to be), register an account, download the DLC and then install each piece in turn. When installing again on a second pc I had to re-find and re-download and reinstall all the DLC again as I didn't have access to the installers I had saved on the original PC.

The effort and time I had to spend to get the free stuff was reason enough to not get the paid DLC; the "use real currency to buy pretend currency to buy things that don't quite equate in value to the pretend currency you have bought" would have prevented me from buying it though if the initial experince hadn't put me off so much.

Reminds me of having to buy meal tickets at a fair so you always end up with a bunch leftover and also don't quite realize that the beer you just drank cost you 8 dollars.

[Pixieking]

casadechrisso wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Utterly utterly pointless.

Or rather, not pointless at all, you still have some... harr... harr.... 

Hi-larious.

[Aquem1ni]

I think attitudes like his are the main problem. If you take everything as being outside of your power to change, nothing ever changes.

I think, by just doing as your told and always listing to the big boys will accomplish nothing. This whole thing will never ever reach the persons at EA who can make a real difference. All we can do as gamers and the population that spends money on games is either to follow and listen or not to accept this. The downside is that if you dont accept it, you cant play the game. That another con for the gamer. I and many outthere have decided not to listen, but the urge to play the game has never gone away, meaning they will go to extreme length to still play the game

[Clive Howlitzer]

Aquem1ni wrote...

I think attitudes like his are the main problem. If you take everything as being outside of your power to change, nothing ever changes.

I think, by just doing as your told and always listing to the big boys will accomplish nothing. This whole thing will never ever reach the persons at EA who can make a real difference. All we can do as gamers and the population that spends money on games is either to follow and listen or not to accept this. The downside is that if you dont accept it, you cant play the game. That another con for the gamer. I and many outthere have decided not to listen, but the urge to play the game has never gone away, meaning they will go to extreme length to still play the game

Yeah it blows. I really wanted to play Mass Effect 3 and its going to suck not playing it but I will hold out! I am usually pretty good about not caving in about stuff like that. I just hope everyone who says they won't buy it, doesn't just pirate it. That only makes it worse.

[Aquem1ni]

themastakillah wrote...

were are the bioware employees?! we want some updates on this bs origin, was a smart move to announce this before the weekend so nobody was here, and they probably thought people will calm down in 2 -3 days '

just dont buy all origin mandatory games and download them. The bigger this group gets, the more loss ea will have. 

They will not listen and they intent not to listen in the future. They have already made calculations about the percentage that doenst accept it and they are willing to take this loss apparently. I can live with not buying any more ea games. There enought publisher out there that make great game to

[Lumikki]

Wittand25 wrote...

Really do I have to remember people here about Half Life 2 ?

It is all good and nice to play moral outrage and boycott here, but let´s face it we all know that once the stores open the game will sell like hot cakes (and at least half of those vowing never to purchase it here now will have it on day one).

Origin will remain and depending on how succesful EA is in getting other publishers to sell via Origin it will stay and grow.

Once Diable 3 and it´s DRM/blatant-money-grab-auction-house comes around the hardcore whiners and the whining hardcores alike will have a new target for their outrage and nobody will talk much about Origin any longer.

And in a few years the situation with Origin will be exactly as it is with Steam right now. You have a bunch of hard core fan(atic)s in both the pro and the contra camp, who repeat the same fight with the same old arguments in every forum concerning a soon to be released game using the service, while the majority of customers does not even get what the fighting is about and just continues to use the service.

Call me cynical but I do not see a way to stop this from happening.

Nothing will be ever stopped until people grows some backbone and have principles what they will defende.

I'm one of those people who have priciples and it does make me really sad to look the world where people are slaves of they desires. Unable see anyting else than what they can get from the world. Everyting what people support in life by their own actions, will have long term consequences. Saying I can't do anything is like giving up. Giving up doesn't ever solve anything. That's what backbone and principles are, standing agaist what you believe is right or better.

If I look Origin client, I see only two problem in it.

1. Forcing everyone use they digital distribution software (Origin client).
2. EA not respecting enough they customers to ask, if they want to be part of data collection (Origin client).

If people don't stand what they belives, then what are we?

I will vote with my money, because I have principles, that I don't support companies who doens't respect they customers. I'm sad because Bioware does good games what I do like a lot, but EA just doesn't get it.

Modifié par Lumikki, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:34 .

[Aquem1ni]

Yeah it blows. I really wanted to play Mass Effect 3 and its going to suck not playing it but I will hold out! I am usually pretty good about not caving in about stuff like that. I just hope everyone who says they won't buy it, doesn't just pirate it. That only makes it worse.

This is gonna be a day 1 pirate for me 4 sure. I have no other option, but one option which I am not willing to accept. 

[Pixieking]

Can we play down the "Yarrrr!" talk, please? The mods can lock threads that talk about it too much.

[Aquem1ni]

If people don't stand what they belives, then what are we?

I will vote with my money, because I have principles, that I don't support companies who doens't respect they customers. I'm sad because Bioware does good games what I do like a lot, but EA just doesn't get it.

well said! This is my point. Either you bow down or you keep your back straight and point out that your not accepting this.

[Bogsnot1]

Yay! 200 pages of discontent!


Edit: Well, almost.

Modifié par Bogsnot1, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:36 .

[Bogsnot1]

Double post.

Modifié par Bogsnot1, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:36 .