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[Icinix]

[wolfsite]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Yay! 200 pages of discontent!


Edit: Well, almost.

Not yet, plus you are assuming everyone that posted in this thread is against what is going on.

[Bogsnot1]

wolfsite wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Yay! 200 pages of discontent!


Edit: Well, almost.

Not yet, plus you are assuming everyone that posted in this thread is against what is going on.

Go through it all, and you will find discontent on every page.

[Thoth_Amon]

Wittand25 wrote...

Really do I have to remember people here about Half Life 2 ?

It is all good and nice to play moral outrage and boycott here, but let´s face it we all know that once the stores open the game will sell like hot cakes (and at least half of those vowing never to purchase it here now will have it on day one).

Origin will remain and depending on how succesful EA is in getting other publishers to sell via Origin it will stay and grow.

Once Diable 3 and it´s DRM/blatant-money-grab-auction-house comes around the hardcore whiners and the whining hardcores alike will have a new target for their outrage and nobody will talk much about Origin any longer.

And in a few years the situation with Origin will be exactly as it is with Steam right now. You have a bunch of hard core fan(atic)s in both the pro and the contra camp, who repeat the same fight with the same old arguments in every forum concerning a soon to be released game using the service, while the majority of customers does not even get what the fighting is about and just continues to use the service.

Call me cynical but I do not see a way to stop this from happening.

Go ahead and don't mention Steam has only been in existence for one year longer than Origin aka EA Download Manager aka EA Link aka EA Store.

Other publishers are never going to sell their games on Origin if EA can't work out a simple DLC deal with the largest digital gaming storefront.  Why would any company in their right mind contribute to EA's success with so many other quality services out there run by companies that aren't rivals nor do they have a history of buying out companies left and right?

One thing people fail to mention is Steam gives games HUGE exposure.  You're also paying a premium for that.  It's like if Epic said to GameStop, "Nah, we're not going to sell the next Gears of War through you."  and that would be insane to forgo that amount of exposure.

Edit:  How is that a cash grab on Blizzard's part?  People were already making money off of their game on ebay with shady deals, why not give customers a chance to make those same purchases in a safe, environment?  Don't forget Blizzard won't be posting any items, it will all be player to player.  How is that a bad thing???? 

Modifié par Thoth_Amon, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:43 .

[Tehtimo]

Chris Priestly wrote...

1) Will Origin be a requirement to play all versions of Mass Effect 3? (Digital and/or from a retail brick and mortar store)
Yes, Origin is required for all PC editions of Mass Effect 3, physical or digital.

Quite a shame, I only just heard of this news. Seems I'll be borrowing my friend's 360 copy then and cancelling my PC pre-order. I don't like the idea of missing some incredible games, especially those from BioWare, but after an awful time with the Origin client, I am not using it again even if it means not having access to the data from my ME1 and ME2 files. I'm sure it's been said before, but we need to take a stand for DRM free content. I hope BioWare is aware that, while the sales will still be great, they are losing quite a lot of loyal fans.

[CoolHandLukeSkywalks]

I already said it in this thread, but along the lines of taking action, I canceled my SW:TOR account over this. I'm not re-subscribing until I can get ME3 without having to install Origin. Sucks for Bioware... I will be pirating ME3 if I can't get it outside of Origin (if only due to being less of a hassle), and it's been over 10 years since I've pirated any software. Funny to see how DRM is costing them sales, which I'm sure they accounted for, but I mean. Wow. I hope Bioware finds a new publisher in the future. Would be sick if Zenimax bought them.

[TheRealJayDee]

BounceDK wrote...

Origin sucks.
Steam sucks.

Give back regular cd checks and be done with it.

It shouldn't be that hard.

[Mykel54]

I was able to work around my way with SWTOR to avoid touching Origin at all, but it looks like i won´t be able to do so for ME, at least not without breaking the law. I cancelled my preorder last year and seeing the recent developments, i am glad i did. A pity that such a fine series such a mass effect get ruined by invasive and draconian software such as origin.

[wolfsite]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Yay! 200 pages of discontent!


Edit: Well, almost.

Not yet, plus you are assuming everyone that posted in this thread is against what is going on.

Go through it all, and you will find discontent on every page.

I have, not all pages are discontent, some are people having actual discussions on the topic without letting hysteria or opinion blind there reasoning.

[Bogsnot1]

wolfsite wrote...
I have, not all pages are discontent, some are people having actual discussions on the topic without letting hysteria or opinion blind there reasoning.

You can still be discontent, and reasonable at the same time. You dont have to be frothing at the mouth to disprove of something.

[wolfsite]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

wolfsite wrote...
I have, not all pages are discontent, some are people having actual discussions on the topic without letting hysteria or opinion blind there reasoning.

You can still be discontent, and reasonable at the same time. You dont have to be frothing at the mouth to disprove of something.

Oops, was using the wrong definition of Discontent, my bad sorry.

[Bogsnot1]

No worries, it is BSN afterall. We're used to everyone frothing at the mouth over everything.

[PSUHammer]

Daeel wrote...

I sure hope EA games is paying you fanboys. I can't think of one logical reason to defend a corporation so dead set on squeezing every last penny out of their loyal customers.

I hope the compensation is worth your souls Biodroids.

This is the most ridiculous thing I have read today.  EVERY corporation wants to squeeze every last penny out of their customers!  That is what shareholders expect them to do!  Welcome to capitalism, buddy.

This isn't the issue people are having with Origin.  It's the assumed invasion of privacy.  And the debate, here, is attempting to flesh out exactly how far they are taking it.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:59 .

[v0rt3x22]

I think its also important to clarify two SEPERATE concerns going on here. Steam AND Origin.

I think a lot of people are misguided that releasing ME 3 on Steam, will somehow resolve the Origin discussion.

This will surely NOT be the case - from what we know so far.

[wolfsite]

CoolHandLukeSkywalks wrote...

I already said it in this thread, but along the lines of taking action, I canceled my SW:TOR account over this. I'm not re-subscribing until I can get ME3 without having to install Origin. Sucks for Bioware... I will be pirating ME3 if I can't get it outside of Origin (if only due to being less of a hassle), and it's been over 10 years since I've pirated any software. Funny to see how DRM is costing them sales, which I'm sure they accounted for, but I mean. Wow. I hope Bioware finds a new publisher in the future. Would be sick if Zenimax bought them.

Also funny that since you will be doing the P word you will be making things worse in the future since that is just ammo to increase DRM services.

If you want to boycott that's fine but boycott means no buying, no illegal downloading, and no playing of a product or service.

[goofyomnivore]

I need a reason to be part of page 200.

IsaacShep wrote...

To Chris Priestly:

1) If we do not intend to use multiplayer, can we uninstall Origin after completing one time single authorization for the single player game?

2) Also, will I have to install Origin EVERY TIME I install Mass Effect 3, or after one time single authorization I will no longer have to install Origin ever again?

[wolfsite]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I think its also important to clarify two SEPERATE concerns going on here. Steam AND Origin.

I think a lot of people are misguided that releasing ME 3 on Steam, will somehow resolve the Origin discussion.

This will surely NOT be the case - from what we know so far.

Not really, some people just want it on Steam, they really don't care what is attached to it.

Again not saying all, but there are a number of people who only buy things on Steam since they feel Steam makes everything better.

[Bogsnot1]

wolfsite wrote...

CoolHandLukeSkywalks wrote...

I already said it in this thread, but along the lines of taking action, I canceled my SW:TOR account over this. I'm not re-subscribing until I can get ME3 without having to install Origin. Sucks for Bioware... I will be pirating ME3 if I can't get it outside of Origin (if only due to being less of a hassle), and it's been over 10 years since I've pirated any software. Funny to see how DRM is costing them sales, which I'm sure they accounted for, but I mean. Wow. I hope Bioware finds a new publisher in the future. Would be sick if Zenimax bought them.

Also funny that since you will be doing the P word you will be making things worse in the future since that is just ammo to increase DRM services.

If you want to boycott that's fine but boycott means no buying, no illegal downloading, and no playing of a product or service.

Not to mention he creates an anonymous account in order to say it. EA wont know who cancelled their SWTOR account because of Origin, nor will they know which customer they lost due to their antics.
For all we, and EA know, its just another person with pirated copies of EA games, trying to justify themselves.

[Balder84]

[quote]Lumikki wrote...

[quote]Wittand25 wrote...

Really do I have to remember people here about Half Life 2 ?

It is all good and nice to play moral outrage and boycott here, but let´s face it we all know that once the stores open the game will sell like hot cakes (and at least half of those vowing never to purchase it here now will have it on day one).

Origin will remain and depending on how succesful EA is in getting other publishers to sell via Origin it will stay and grow.

Once Diable 3 and it´s DRM/blatant-money-grab-auction-house comes around the hardcore whiners and the whining hardcores alike will have a new target for their outrage and nobody will talk much about Origin any longer.

And in a few years the situation with Origin will be exactly as it is with Steam right now. You have a bunch of hard core fan(atic)s in both the pro and the contra camp, who repeat the same fight with the same old arguments in every forum concerning a soon to be released game using the service, while the majority of customers does not even get what the fighting is about and just continues to use the service.

Call me cynical but I do not see a way to stop this from happening.[/quote]
Nothing will be ever stopped until people grows some backbone and have principles what they will defende.

I'm one of those people who have priciples and it does make me really sad to look the world where people are slaves of they desires. Unable see anyting else than what they can get from the world. Everyting what people support in life by their own actions, will have long term consequences. Saying I can't do anything is like giving up. Giving up doesn't ever solve anything. That's what backbone and principles are, standing agaist what you believe is right or better.

If I look Origin client, I see only two problem in it.

1. Forcing everyone use they digital distribution software (Origin client).
2. EA not respecting enough they customers to ask, if they want to be part of data collection (Origin client).

If people don't stand what they belives, then what are we?

I will vote with my money, because I have principles, that I don't support companies who doens't respect they customers. I'm sad because Bioware does good games what I do like a lot, but EA just doesn't get it.
[/quote]

Well said Lumikki, well said indeed!


[quote]
Yeah it blows. I really wanted to play Mass Effect 3 and
its going to suck not playing it but I will hold out! I am usually
pretty good about not caving in about stuff like that. I just hope
everyone who says they won't buy it, doesn't just pirate it. That only
makes it worse.
[/quote]
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This is gonna be a day 1 pirate for me 4 sure. I have no other option, but one option which I am not willing to accept. 
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Yeah I can just see it now strong sales on consols and lots of torent down loads on PC! PC gamers are not stupid we know when we'er getting ripped off...and we know where to go to get it all for free if we are to be treated like fools - as bad as that may be. Can't beat piracy, but you can earn the respect of your customers... CD Project Red come to mind here.

Modifié par Balder84, 16 janvier 2012 - 01:21 .

[Mister Mida]

Balder84 wrote...

This is gonna be a day 1 pirate for me 4 sure. I have no other option, but one option which I am not willing to accept. 

Is it really that hard for some people to see this is the number one reason why we have to deal with all those crap clients in the first place?

[La Sangreal]

I'd be willing to swallow origin if I could buy it on steam, but only because it's ME3. Wouldn't do it for any other game unless they were severely discounted. I'd also be willing to buy ME3 at retail or some other download service if it wasn't tied to origin.

[PSUHammer]

wolfsite wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Yay! 200 pages of discontent!


Edit: Well, almost.

Not yet, plus you are assuming everyone that posted in this thread is against what is going on.

I think this thread has proved that there is a lot of speculation and a lot of emotion.  Many people, me included, are on the fence pending more accurate details.  Others are anti EA (or apparently anti profit/capitalism) and allready assume they are guilty of wrongdoing.

[casadechrisso]

Let's just say if it was on Steam, I guess there won't be any force to use Origin anymore either, so a win for both Steam haters and lovers. Chris Priestly gave a lot of reasons in his FAQ for people to be here, not only one like Origin = Spyware or the like. The only thing we all (the complainers) have in common is that we don't want Origin forced on us, for one reason or the other.

[Balberoy]

Hi Bioware,
I am a big fan of your games since Baldurs Gate 1.

But I hate your DLC policy (Bioware Points) and I wont buy any games in the future as long as origin is a prerequisite to play your games.

I did not buy Dragon Age II for that, I did not buy Mass Effect II (because I knew Origin would be required for part III) and I wont buy an future games of your company. But Actually I only buy games when they turn cheaper cause your DLC prices are just to high. But so you loose me completely as a customer.

Stay with Steam, it's okay. But I dont trust EA further then I can spit.

You are selling out. And btw I have a PS 3 but I wont support your policies in Buying games from EA at all, It doesnt matter wich system.