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Lumikki wrote...

GuardianofSouls wrote...

I believe the issue between EA and Valve is that Steam does not allow products on its platform where their DLC doesn't go through Steam. IE: Mass Effect 2 using BioWare points and separate installers while not selling the DLC through the Steam store. The funny thing about this is Dragon Age:Origins is still there in non Ultimate edition which has the same system as Mass Effec 1&2 (which is still on Steam) and Dragon Age 2 (which was pulled).

Basically Valve wants a cut of DLC money and EA doesn't want to give it to them. Direct Download and other distributers don't have this rule like Steam does. I'm not supporting EA here, just stating the supposed reasoning.

This has been the issue in hole media and entertaiment industry. They think too much about they own profit and needs, too little what they actions cause to happen to they customers. Many times we customers suffer, because these decissions.

Same happens here in Origin client too. EA thinks too much they own needs, too little what they needs cause to happen to they customers.

Once a company gets beyond a certain size, all of the decision makers are beyond even the slightest contact with the customer.  This is especially true of corporations, where the ultimate responsibility is to people who are largely disconnected from the actual company and completely disconnected from its customers -- the shareholders. 

Customer goodwill is a lost concept at that point.  It can't be shown to affect the current or next fiscal quarter's profits.  Most mass advertising and marketing is based on a belief in manipulating people, not establishing a relationship. 

If the typical corporation were worried about five years and ten years from now, there would be a lot more concern for things like customer goodwill. 

[casadechrisso]

You're really trying to get the thread locked, do you? Staff is probably only waiting for a good reason. Piracy talk and personal insults don't help anyone, so be decent!

[vallore]

casadechrisso wrote...

vallore wrote...



Thank you Anzolino, this data is very interesting.

It seems most of those places are not even from EA; if so,  this brings the original question of why is EA sending our data there?)

And now also, what do these companies do with?

 How can EA know and guarantee us it’s safe?

That no other use than the intended is done with that information?

I’m very interested to find out these answers, since it is my data, (among those of others, of course) , we are talking about…or simply in getting an opt-out of all of this.

This has already been proven to be bogus, the site reports EVERY port as vulnerable. 

The relevant issue is that, since apparently EA  indeed collects data, then we, as legitimate proprietors of said data, need to know what data is collected exactly ; what is it for, exactly ; how can EA guaranteed the security of said data, despite not controlling it directly, or that those other companies will not use the data in inappropriate manner.

Since it’s our data it is our business.

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Mister Mida wrote...

Emoking wrote...

That really isn't the issue... Look at LA Noire, which uses the Rockstar Social system to manage certain things.

More pertinently, look at Batman: Arkham City. That uses G4WL, even on the Steam version.

Or look at Game of Thrones: Genesis, which uses Steamworks and TAGES.

It's one thing to use one kind of DRM, but using two kinds of DRM is plain old retarted. It's like installing two anti-virus programs on your computer. One is almost certainly gonna mess up the other.

I used to work in retail computer sales, repair, service, etc. 

There were certain combinations of antivirus software that resulted in hours of work untangling the whole mess, as they constantly fought both each other, and you.

[Candidate 88766]

Aquem1ni wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Aquem1ni wrote...

You've failed to explain why you pirating the game is justified.

you blind or do you lack the knowlegde to understand what you read? My main reason is so simple and is the reason many out there will pirate the game or ask a friend if they can play their copy, that is origin. And then you go tell me my alternative is a consolegame that is twice as expensive and looks half as good? What great alternative that is. And all this because ea is being lame. Rembemer, I aint no sheep!

So you have a console anyway, but instead of spending maybe £10 extra (saying they cost twice as much is flat out wrong) to avoid Origin at the cost of slightly reduced graphics you feel you're entitled to it for free?

You don't even have a valid reason. You're just some cheapskate after free stuff.

And you a smelly dog that needs a walk in park and good bath. Dont really understand why you had go and do that. In you world it could possible be wrong, but in my world I pay around 25 to 30 euro for a brand new pc titel and for my 360 or ps3 games I always pay around 55 to 60 euro. Dont come telling I'm wrong here. Use the net to find a good store smart ass. And the part about slightly reduced graphisc is serioulsy putting it lightly! But, i get the feeling you know me better then i know myself. You whole post is full of erros. me3 will be the first game I'll pirate. If bf3 was not a mp game, that one would have the first. Both origin mandatory games

You still can't possibly justify pirating it.

Unlike most people, you have the option of both PC or console.

Your excuse for not buying it PC? Origin. Yeah, thats fair enough.

Your excuse for not buying it on console? It costs a little more. It doesn't cost double. I mean, have you heard of Amazon?

Okay, fine - thats two excuses not to buy it. 

Neither is an excuse to pirate it. Unlike most people, you have an alternative legal method of buying the game. Yet you still feel you deserve it for free. Why? 

All you've listed are reasons to not buy and own the game, not reasons that entitle you to thegame for free.

[PSUHammer]

Aquem1ni wrote...

You've failed to explain why you pirating the game is justified.

you blind or do you lack the knowlegde to understand what you read? My main reason is so simple and is the reason many out there will pirate the game or ask a friend if they can play their copy, that is origin. And then you go tell me my alternative is a consolegame that is twice as expensive and looks half as good? What great alternative that is. And all this because ea is being lame. Rembemer, I aint no sheep!

You have the worst logic I have ever heard.  So, to understand you, you are basically saying "I am unhappy with the distribution method of the publisher so I am going to resort to criminal activity because there is no other option for me."  Sound right?

That is plain stupid logic.  You are admitting to being a criminal because you don't get your way.  Hopefully the ban hammer comes soon for you.  Theives are the lowest of the low, my friend.

[Candidate 88766]

jreezy wrote...

Aquem1ni wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Aquem1ni wrote...

You've failed to explain why you pirating the game is justified.

you blind or do you lack the knowlegde to understand what you read? My main reason is so simple and is the reason many out there will pirate the game or ask a friend if they can play their copy, that is origin. And then you go tell me my alternative is a consolegame that is twice as expensive and looks half as good? What great alternative that is. And all this because ea is being lame. Rembemer, I aint no sheep!

So you have a console anyway, but instead of spending maybe £10 extra (saying they cost twice as much is flat out wrong) to avoid Origin at the cost of slightly reduced graphics you feel you're entitled to it for free?

You don't even have a valid reason. You're just some cheapskate after free stuff.

And you a smelly dog that needs a walk in park and good bath.

Yusuke Urameshi: You shouldn't talk, it makes you sound stupid...

Of all the insults to pick, 'smelly dog' seems a tad odd. He is just after free stuff - damn near the definition of a cheapskate. He wants to do something illegal just because he doesn't want to pay for a game. And he gets offended when I mildly insult him. Its hilarious.

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Mesina2 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

The choice of buying Mass Effect/Dragon Age DLC from other shops. Which, let's be honest, sucks. Not saying they aren't allowed to do it, but I like to have some freedom to purchase games and DLC, even if I have to register it on the same place (Origin, Steam, whereever).

That's, stupid.

Why do you care for that?

Besides, you can only buy ME2 DLC's here.
And guess what?
NOBODY CARES!

This BS complaint came only after Origin started to exist.

Some of us don't mind buying the DLC from Bioware's website, the way we've been doing it:  by downloading a file from the website via our browser, the way files have been downloaded for almost two decades now. 

I don't care if all Bioware DLCs are exclusive to purchase and download directly from Bioware.  I just don't want to have to install a client/spyware to do it. 

[Daeel]

I never quite understood why pirating is any different than borrowing it from a friend or renting a game. In both cases the company doesn't profit. Are you telling me it's not stealing then but it's stealing now? I don't think the issue is that simple.

We should all support companies that make products we like. However, when they turn products we like into 'this'. Then what should we do? What do you honestly suggest?

[Daevos]

casadechrisso wrote...

You're really trying to get the thread locked, do you? Staff is probably only waiting for a good reason. Piracy talk and personal insults don't help anyone, so be decent!

I'm sure they'd love nothing more than to shut down this thread, regardless of the insultory comments and talk of piracy, as it's pretty evident that the fans are livid, and with good reason. This is quickly spiraling into a massive PR blunder of epic proportions, but the one thing keeping the thread open is the knowledge that if they tried to quell this disquiet they'd only expose themselves more.

[PSUHammer]

I am sure they would consider "borrowing from a friend" to be a form of piracy. And, they do get a cut from rentals.

Alternative is to NOT play the game, thus witholding your money.

[Killjoy Cutter]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

BounceDK wrote...

Origin sucks.
Steam sucks.

Give back regular cd checks and be done with it.

It shouldn't be that hard.

Disk checks don't let EA snoop through your drives or push ads to your desktop. 

[PSUHammer]

Daevos wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

You're really trying to get the thread locked, do you? Staff is probably only waiting for a good reason. Piracy talk and personal insults don't help anyone, so be decent!

I'm sure they'd love nothing more than to shut down this thread, regardless of the insultory comments and talk of piracy, as it's pretty evident that the fans are livid, and with good reason. This is quickly spiraling into a massive PR blunder of epic proportions, but the one thing keeping the thread open is the knowledge that if they tried to quell this disquiet they'd only expose themselves more.

Lets not go overboard yet.  The millions of people who WILL buy the game are not posting in this forum and are probably unaware of the Origin issue.

[Aargh12]

Daeel wrote...

I never quite understood why pirating is any different than borrowing it from a friend or renting a game. In both cases the company doesn't profit.

Why stealing cars is any different than buying a used one or borrowind it from my friend? The company doesn't profit anyway...

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Thoth_Amon wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Not ALL DRM is bad. Steam is one example. It doesnt restrict you besides forcing you to launch Steam every time you want to play MP and in some cases, SP. There is no always-connected-to-servers requirement or a download limit. Steam lets me play with my friends, gives me amazing discounts and backs up my gamesaves.

What you just described is a good example of bad DRM.  You have to launch and log into a seperate program, through which access to the software you bought and own is restricted. 

Aaaaaand here's where that line of thinking has always been false.  You've never owned the game, you've owned a license to use the software.  Just like MS Word, just like Photoshop, etc. etc.

I chose those words very deliberately. 

I walked into a store, spent money, and took home a product. 

I own a copy of the software.

[Candidate 88766]

Daeel wrote...

I never quite understood why pirating is any different than borrowing it from a friend or renting a game. In both cases the company doesn't profit. Are you telling me it's not stealing then but it's stealing now? I don't think the issue is that simple.

We should all support companies that make products we like. However, when they turn products we like into 'this'. Then what should we do? What do you honestly suggest?

Once a game has been bought, the disk can only be in one console/PC at a time. While its lent to a friend, the original owner cannot use it. 

A pirated game has not been paid for at all, and yet someone is still playing it.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Daevos wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

You're really trying to get the thread locked, do you? Staff is probably only waiting for a good reason. Piracy talk and personal insults don't help anyone, so be decent!

I'm sure they'd love nothing more than to shut down this thread, regardless of the insultory comments and talk of piracy, as it's pretty evident that the fans are livid, and with good reason. This is quickly spiraling into a massive PR blunder of epic proportions, but the one thing keeping the thread open is the knowledge that if they tried to quell this disquiet they'd only expose themselves more.

Lets not go overboard yet.  The millions of people who WILL buy the game are not posting in this forum and are probably unaware of the Origin issue.

Well I'm 100% that origin is not the only one.

[RaenImrahl]

A reminder that advocating piracy of any game violates the forums rules of conduct. @Aquem1ni has been banned for at least 24-hours as a result.

Thank you to those who reported this inappropriate conduct.

RI

[Candidate 88766]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Daevos wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

You're really trying to get the thread locked, do you? Staff is probably only waiting for a good reason. Piracy talk and personal insults don't help anyone, so be decent!

I'm sure they'd love nothing more than to shut down this thread, regardless of the insultory comments and talk of piracy, as it's pretty evident that the fans are livid, and with good reason. This is quickly spiraling into a massive PR blunder of epic proportions, but the one thing keeping the thread open is the knowledge that if they tried to quell this disquiet they'd only expose themselves more.

Lets not go overboard yet.  The millions of people who WILL buy the game are not posting in this forum and are probably unaware of the Origin issue.

Exactly. This thread has a few hundred (albeit it quite rightly) angry people. Meaningless to a company that sells games in the millions. You'd need tens of thousands of people to start boycotting EA products to make a noticeable difference.

[A_Belmont]

This is the saddest news - I recently sold off all my console stuff, and built a pc, which could /everything/ I needed, not just play games. And while Steam isn't a picnic or some shiny holy grail of user friendliness, Origin is simply not welcome on my computer. Now I must make a critical decision, is the third part to the Mass Effect trilogy really worth it? BF3 wasn't, and no other game has been.... I'll be honest BioWare, ME3 isn't worth it either. When I still haven't picked up games that don't require origin, what's my incentive to pick up yours? PLEASE work with EA to not use Origin, it's an inconvenience for many of your users, and I think you're sadly going to see a downturn in sales because of it. I could be quite wrong though, I'm sure you've got all the focus group data and such to know what you're doing. It just makes me sad that you're putting me between a rock and a hard place right now on this.

Also, playing through KOTOR again.... Fantastic game! I hope someday there's a non-mmo sequel!

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RaenImrahl wrote...

A reminder that advocating piracy of any game violates the forums rules of conduct. @Aquem1ni has been banned for at least 24-hours as a result.

Thank you to those who reported this inappropriate conduct.

And thank you for targetting the poster and not the entire thread. 

[Daevos]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Well I'm 100% that origin is not the only one.

Ha ha. Are you even reading what you are posting? That image shows nothing untoward at all. Oh teh noes, Steam wants to interface with its own files!!!

Modifié par Daevos, 16 janvier 2012 - 02:47 .