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[Killjoy Cutter]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Daevos wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

You're really trying to get the thread locked, do you? Staff is probably only waiting for a good reason. Piracy talk and personal insults don't help anyone, so be decent!

I'm sure they'd love nothing more than to shut down this thread, regardless of the insultory comments and talk of piracy, as it's pretty evident that the fans are livid, and with good reason. This is quickly spiraling into a massive PR blunder of epic proportions, but the one thing keeping the thread open is the knowledge that if they tried to quell this disquiet they'd only expose themselves more.

Lets not go overboard yet.  The millions of people who WILL buy the game are not posting in this forum and are probably unaware of the Origin issue.

Exactly. This thread has a few hundred (albeit it quite rightly) angry people. Meaningless to a company that sells games in the millions. You'd need tens of thousands of people to start boycotting EA products to make a noticeable difference.

How many sales are being lost "out there" for every one of us who isn't buying because of Origin?

[Candidate 88766]

jreezy wrote...

People always said "the truth hurts". He didn't want to hear the truth so he had to throw a bad insult your way.

At least he's been banned from the forums for now.

[Daeel]

jreezy wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I never quite understood why pirating is any different than borrowing it from a friend or renting a game. In both cases the company doesn't profit.

Wrong buddy.

Where is your argument? You can't just say "wrong" and expect me to leave it at that.

[Candidate 88766]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Exactly. This thread has a few hundred (albeit it quite rightly) angry people. Meaningless to a company that sells games in the millions. You'd need tens of thousands of people to start boycotting EA products to make a noticeable difference.

How many sales are being lost "out there" for every one of us who isn't buying because of Origin?

Given how many people bought BF3 on PC and lumped Origin, not any meaningfull number. The number of people not buying ME3 because of Origin will be vastly outweighed by the number of new fans brought in from things like the demo promotion that came with BF3 - millions already have Origin installed and so it doesn't matter to them.

[Candidate 88766]

Daeel wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I never quite understood why pirating is any different than borrowing it from a friend or renting a game. In both cases the company doesn't profit.

Wrong buddy.

Where is your argument? You can't just say "wrong" and expect me to leave it at that.

The company still recieved the money from that purchase, and while a friend is using it the original owner can't. One game was bought, and only one person is using that game. It doesn't matter who is using it as long as its only being used on one system.

A pirated game wasn't bought in the first place, and yet thousands are using it.

[Daeel]

Hammer6767 wrote...

I am sure they would consider "borrowing from a friend" to be a form of piracy. And, they do get a cut from rentals.

Alternative is to NOT play the game, thus witholding your money.

It's a company. Of course it considers everything you do that doesn't lead to their pockets being filled as piracy. The question is, do you. Do you think borrowing the game from a friend is piracy?

There are many alternatives. I've already decided I'm not supporting this origins. How I do it, is up to me.

Also no. They don't get a cut from rentals. The only cut they get is from the company actually buying the game, after that it's fair game.

[photographerleia]

themastakillah wrote...

skuko wrote...

after having experienced origin with BF3, i will vote against it the only way i can - WITH MY WALLET.

BioWare, you just lost a customer.

**** you.

bioware can't do ish about this, its EA

Bioware IS EA at this point.  No difference.

[Daeel]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Daeel wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I never quite understood why pirating is any different than borrowing it from a friend or renting a game. In both cases the company doesn't profit.

Wrong buddy.

Where is your argument? You can't just say "wrong" and expect me to leave it at that.

The company still recieved the money from that purchase, and while a friend is using it the original owner can't. One game was bought, and only one person is using that game. It doesn't matter who is using it as long as its only being used on one system.

A pirated game wasn't bought in the first place, and yet thousands are using it.

Excuse me? What is the argument here. You're allowed to borrow games only if the person can't play it aswell?

A pirated game HAS to be bought somewhere. I am not advocating piracy but the issue is more difficult then people think.

I also want to bring up that so many people like to think the amount of downloads is a direct number of potential customers lost. People pirate for many different reasons. 

[Daeel]

jreezy wrote...

Daeel wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I never quite understood why pirating is any different than borrowing it from a friend or renting a game. In both cases the company doesn't profit.

Wrong buddy.

Where is your argument? You can't just say "wrong" and expect me to leave it at that.

This: "In both cases the company doesn't profit." is wrong. If the friend who's game you're borrowing paid for it than the company has already profited from a legitimate purchase. No money is gained when a game is pirated.

Except the person who bought the legit copy before they made it downloadable.

[Daeel]

Personally. I'm not looking forward to EA games shafting PC games in the future than blaming it on piracy.

It's not piracy damn it.

[Lumikki]

Daevos wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Well I'm 100% that origin is not the only one.

Ha ha. Are you even reading what you are posting? That image shows nothing untoward at all. Oh teh noes, Steam wants to interface with its own files!!!

How is other softwares related to Steam?

[TheRealJayDee]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

A reminder that advocating piracy of any game violates the forums rules of conduct. @Aquem1ni has been banned for at least 24-hours as a result.

Thank you to those who reported this inappropriate conduct.

And thank you for targetting the poster and not the entire thread. 

Reminds me of the only thread I ever opened here, an Origin thread of the "there must always be an Origin thread on the BSN" kind, which was closed after I think less then 10 harmless posts, with the explanation that someone was surely going to start mentioning piracy sometime in the future...

[Killjoy Cutter]

When I enjoy a creative work, I want to see the people who created it compensated in some way. I don't want to "ocean raid" a game that I like. I've done a lot of amateur creative work, and it would make my blood boil if someone out there were to be using it without even saying "thanks".

But even if I wanted to "ocean raid" a game, I wouldn't. I worked in computer repair for almost a decade, and I've seen what gets into computers through filesharing and torrents. "Raided" software is far too often full of things that make Origin look like a sainted baby.

[Alpha Bootis]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Exactly. This thread has a few hundred (albeit it quite rightly) angry people. Meaningless to a company that sells games in the millions. You'd need tens of thousands of people to start boycotting EA products to make a noticeable difference.

How many sales are being lost "out there" for every one of us who isn't buying because of Origin?

Given how many people bought BF3 on PC and lumped Origin, not any meaningfull number. The number of people not buying ME3 because of Origin will be vastly outweighed by the number of new fans brought in from things like the demo promotion that came with BF3 - millions already have Origin installed and so it doesn't matter to them.

Yes.
The lack of regard in the modern western civillian for ones privacy  is ofcouse rather jarring. The fact Origin games seem to sell without any sort of dip in sales proves this.
This is however not new. Gouvernments have been steadyly taking privacy away in favour of "security" for years. And people accept that without too much fuzz at all.

Society is numb.

[Aargh12]

Daeel wrote...
Excuse me? What is the argument here. You're allowed to borrow games only if the person can't play it aswell?

A pirated game HAS to be bought somewhere. I am not advocating piracy but the issue is more difficult then people think.

But one copy that is released to the net can be downloaded and played by unlimited number of people, all of them at once.

Plus - borrowind legally bought copy of software is legal in almost every country (Europe) and companies can't do anything about it, which is good.

[Alex_SM]

There was a publisher some time ago that said something in the way of "one copy for each member of the family". So in one house there are 3 people who want to play the game, for them that should be 3 copies.

On the EA vs Valve topic.

What happened was: After all the F2P fuzz, with lots of MMO going F2P and living on microtransactions and selling game content, steam decided that this was going to be a trend, and they needed to get a part of that content. Those publishers were using their services for free while earning money outside Steam. Also DLC trend looks to be bigger every year.

Valve decided that all content to Steam games must also be sold on Steam. It doesn't have to be Steam exclusive, but it must be available there. So they changed their policy. That only applies to newer games (the ones released after the change).

I think Dragon Age 2 was the first game where Valve and EA had problems, because EA didn't want to make the DLCs available through Steam. So they break up, EA removed their last games from Steam and decided to push their own platform.

[photographerleia]

Icinix wrote...

"It's a philosophy that we're building a game, with Dragon Age, that is such a great value to price ratio, and we have such an ambitious and valuable, to fans, downloadable content plan that we trust our fans,"

"We're releasing a game we think they are going to see is really useful, valuable and high quality to price ration that they are going to pay us for that, because it's evident that the game is good game."It's a long game, a lot of content. The post-release content is going to motivate people to register with us and become customers long term. It's all optional, but we're confident enough with the quality of the offering that we know our fans will be loyal and support us. It's about trust -- we trust our fans. We're counting on them to keep us in business. We ask them to consider that, to not pirate, and to support us and in turn we'll be very, very supportive of them."

- Ray Muzyka - Courtesty of Destructiod - On Dragon Age disc check..

http://www.destructo...us-146344.phtml



...guessing times have changed.

Dragon Age did it right, and the game was wildly successful.  Heck, I even bought multiple copies of the game.  DAII have more restrictive DRM, and it has nto touched my computer.  ME3 same story.  I was thinking about this all yesterday but couldn't remember where I'd read it.

Things have changed, indeed.

[Daeel]

Are we not allowed to mention it? Or discuss it? Or advocate it?

Because the latter makes sense, the former would be a silly rule.

[Balberoy]

jreezy wrote...

Balberoy wrote...
*Snip complaint*
You are selling out. And btw I have a PS 3 but I wont support your policies in Buying games from EA at all, It doesnt matter wich system.

This alone makes me question why you even have a problem with Origin concerning Mass Effect 3 - aka Why are you here?

You Ser are not getting the point.
If I would support Bioware or EA by purchasing the game on another system I would say "it#s okay to f.. up the PC gamers cause I buy your games anyway". Wich wold make me a mo...fu.... hypocrit.

I think you are somewhat pro Origin or don't get "the big picture" (in joke for fans of "escapist).
Sry but in my opinion you just dont get it.

[Daeel]

Aargh12 wrote...

Daeel wrote...
Excuse me? What is the argument here. You're allowed to borrow games only if the person can't play it aswell?

A pirated game HAS to be bought somewhere. I am not advocating piracy but the issue is more difficult then people think.

But one copy that is released to the net can be downloaded and played by unlimited number of people, all of them at once.

Plus - borrowind legally bought copy of software is legal in almost every country (Europe) and companies can't do anything about it, which is good.

Good. You understand that borrowing is legal. Pirating is simply borrowing in large quantities. I believe in supporting companies when they make products we enjoy but I see why people bring up the piracy issue as if it's so black and white.

[Aargh12]

jreezy wrote...

photographerleia wrote...

Bioware IS EA at this point. 

Yeah...No.

It is. It's a division of EA - 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioWare 

[Alex_SM]

Aargh12 wrote...

Daeel wrote...
Excuse me? What is the argument here. You're allowed to borrow games only if the person can't play it aswell?

A pirated game HAS to be bought somewhere. I am not advocating piracy but the issue is more difficult then people think.

But one copy that is released to the net can be downloaded and played by unlimited number of people, all of them at once.

Plus - borrowind legally bought copy of software is legal in almost every country (Europe) and companies can't do anything about it, which is good.

If we are going to talk about what is legal, the mods here will end up locking the thread. 

Everyone here asumes downloading games (or music, or movies, or books) is illegal, but the only countries I know where that's strictly true are USA, UK and France. In lots of other countries (EU countries) is a grey subject or even completely legal. 

And on the other hand, a crime is established by a concept, not by scale. Scale only sets the scale of the crime (if there is a crime). Something that is a crime if made to 700.000 X (being X whatever you want), must be a crime if made to 1 X. 

Modifié par Alex_SM, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:06 .

[Daeel]

jreezy wrote...

photographerleia wrote...

themastakillah wrote...

skuko wrote...

after having experienced origin with BF3, i will vote against it the only way i can - WITH MY WALLET.

BioWare, you just lost a customer.

**** you.

bioware can't do ish about this, its EA

Bioware IS EA at this point. 

Yeah...No.

Yes, they are. If EA tells them what to do. Who can work there. What they can work on and for how long. Do you honestly make a distinction between EA and Bioware?