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[RaenImrahl]

Daeel wrote...

Are we not allowed to mention it? Or discuss it? Or advocate it?

Because the latter makes sense, the former would be a silly rule.

The forum's rules of conduct seem pretty clear:

No Topics of an illicit or illegal nature. Warez, software piracy, illegal activites, pornography, posting copyrighted material or scans of such material, etc. are not welcome here and will be removed without warning. Posters of such material will be dealt with on a case by case basis. A person or persons found to discuss such matters may be banned from these forums at the discretion of the staff.

If you disagree, then don't use these forums.

RI

[BaronIveagh]

Chris Priestly wrote...

1) Will Origin be a requirement to play all versions of Mass Effect 3? (Digital and/or from a retail brick and mortar store)
Yes, Origin is required for all PC editions of Mass Effect 3, physical or digital.

3) Is Origin required for the retail versions of the game?
Origin is required for the PC versions of Mass Effect 3, both physical and digital.

I look forward to 'Most Pirated Game of the Year Edition'.  This is a really dumb move.

Chris Priestly wrote...
5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection? 
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware.  Is this true?
Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s machines.  In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin folder.   This is an ordinary Windows function, not an information-gathering process. 

NICE doublespeak!  You do know that MOST information gathering spyware uses Windows functions.  And that by changing permissions you effectivly make it so that the computers owner may not be able to uninstall the program without reformatting and reintalling thier OS. 

You know: just like Spyware! 

[Daeel]

Let's stop the topic of piracy.

I just wanted it to be clear that piracy isn't such a grey issue. Back to the horrors of Origin.

[photographerleia]

Aquem1ni wrote...

If people don't stand what they belives, then what are we?

I will vote with my money, because I have principles, that I don't support companies who doens't respect they customers. I'm sad because Bioware does good games what I do like a lot, but EA just doesn't get it.

well said! This is my point. Either you bow down or you keep your back straight and point out that your not accepting this.

This.  I've done it in the past for other publishers/required client installs, and I will do it again.  I just hate that the list of titles I must avoid is outweighing the list of titles I'm willing to buy.

[FrankMoore]

What about the inappropriate way is ea acting with making origin mandatory. Can you comment on that dear bioware mod? It so easy to ban people who just refuse do to what companies tell them to do.

[Aargh12]

Alex_SM wrote...
Everyone here asumes downloading games (or music, or movies, or books) is illegal, but the only countries I know where that's strictly true are USA, UK and France. In lots of other countries (EU countries) is a grey subject or even completely legal. 

In Poland downloading music and movies is legal as long as it is for private use and you don't share it (i.e. when downloading torrents). Downloading games and other software is illegal unless you had it before 1994 (before law was introduced). But still - borrowing copies or selling them to other players is legal just as selling other stuff is.

End of offtopic.

Modifié par Aargh12, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:07 .

[Candidate 88766]

Daeel wrote...

Excuse me? What is the argument here. You're allowed to borrow games only if the person can't play it aswell?

A pirated game HAS to be bought somewhere. I am not advocating piracy but the issue is more difficult then people think.

I also want to bring up that so many people like to think the amount of downloads is a direct number of potential customers lost. People pirate for many different reasons. 

When you buy a game from a shop, the disk can obviously only be in one console/PC at a time - there is only one disk. Thats what you are paying for - the right to play that disk in a system (console or PC). If you borrow it from a friend, that one disk is still only being played in one system.

A pirated copy is generally not bought - they often seem to leak long before becoming available in shops. And even if the original is bought, thousands of systems can play it at the same time.

Lets put it this way:

1000 copies of the game are being played, so the company should rather rightly expect to recieve the amount of money equal to 1000 copies.

However, 50 people have pirated the game. Even if we assume the original was bought, the company has only recieved the money for 951 copies when 1000 people are playing. That has had an impact on the company. regardless of the intent of the pirates, the company has recieved less money than it should have done.



Just seen the mod post. We should probably stop discussing this.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:07 .

[Daeel]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Daeel wrote...

Are we not allowed to mention it? Or discuss it? Or advocate it?

Because the latter makes sense, the former would be a silly rule.

The forum's rules of conduct seem pretty clear:

No Topics of an illicit or illegal nature. Warez, software piracy, illegal activites, pornography, posting copyrighted material or scans of such material, etc. are not welcome here and will be removed without warning. Posters of such material will be dealt with on a case by case basis. A person or persons found to discuss such matters may be banned from these forums at the discretion of the staff.

If you disagree, then don't use these forums.

RI

That seems a little wishy-washy to me. 

Either way, if you do not want us to discuss piracy. Consider the topic dropped.

[Lumikki]

Daeel wrote...

Yes, they are. If EA tells them what to do. Who can work there. What they can work on and for how long. Do you honestly make a distinction between EA and Bioware?

There is difference between EA and Bioware, even if they are basicly same company. EA owns Bioware, but Bioware makes games. EA does a lot more than just makes games.

[photographerleia]

jreezy wrote...

Balberoy wrote...
*Snip complaint*
You are selling out. And btw I have a PS 3 but I wont support your policies in Buying games from EA at all, It doesnt matter wich system.

This alone makes me question why you even have a problem with Origin concerning Mass Effect 3 - aka Why are you here?

Because they understand why we are angry/hurt, and they have our backs.  It's nice to see concole gamers recognizing the issues at hand.

[ct1615]

I have two issues about "origin"

1. i don't want every publisher out there with his or her own DD service.  Pretty soon activision games will be on their own service, then ubisoft, and so on and so on. 

2. from the following statement by bioware and EA has also echoed it.

"Will ME3 be available on Steam?



During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a
number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this
time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which
limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and
other downloadable content. We are intent on providing Mass Effect to
players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase
or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service
that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our
consumers."

Can Bioware or EA please explain in laymen terms how this effects us as customers?  Because it sounds like crap and just an excuse to push origin onto people.  Especially when you look at  EA comments about wanting to create a new version of STEAM and not once bringing up "limiting developers and customers". 

http://www.gamasutra...alves_Steam.php

After the whole Crysis 2 fiasco where EA came out as liars stating Valve kicked the game off STEAM when it was the other way around, I have a hard time trusting Bioware about any statement they say.  I find them guilty of being liars through guilt by association.

Modifié par ct1615, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:12 .

[Zkyire]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Please, dear moderators/Bioware staff, please just sticky this thread. This is ridiculous and embarassing, and not helping anyone.

It wasn't stickied.

Then it was stickied (after multiple requests to have it stickied).

Then it was un-stickied.

[photographerleia]

casadechrisso wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

Let's just say if it was on Steam, I guess there won't be any force to use Origin anymore either, so a win for both Steam haters and lovers. Chris Priestly gave a lot of reasons in his FAQ for people to be here, not only one like Origin = Spyware or the like. The only thing we all (the complainers) have in common is that we don't want Origin forced on us, for one reason or the other.

Ya but then it would be Steam being forced on you not Origin, and there are still people around who do not like Steam seeing it as intrusive so the problem would still stand.

There are quiet a few people in this thread that do not like Clients when they purchase a physical copy.

what I meant is, if it was on Steam it wouldn't be tied to Origin anymore, so I'd also see retail copies not requiring it. 
I neither like Origin nor Steam forced on the player, I like to have a choice. 

Ditto.  I avoid Steam as well, just like any other DD client required for play.

[Cortyman]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Daeel wrote...

Are we not allowed to mention it? Or discuss it? Or advocate it?

Because the latter makes sense, the former would be a silly rule.

The forum's rules of conduct seem pretty clear:

No Topics of an illicit or illegal nature. Warez, software piracy, illegal activites, pornography, posting copyrighted material or scans of such material, etc. are not welcome here and will be removed without warning. Posters of such material will be dealt with on a case by case basis. A person or persons found to discuss such matters may be banned from these forums at the discretion of the staff.

If you disagree, then don't use these forums.

RI

I was just about to say if we don't stop this piracy debate we'll be up to page 300 and it will still be going on! I think this thread has lost the plot now anyway.

[RaenImrahl]

FrankMoore wrote...

What about the inappropriate way is ea acting with making origin mandatory. Can you comment on that dear bioware mod? It so easy to ban people who just refuse do to what companies tell them to do.

1) I don't work for Bioware or EA.  I am just a gamer like you who was asked to help out on the forums.  I actually spend most of my time doing troubleshooting over in the DA:O PC Tech Forum.

2) The fact that EA is requiring Origins for certain high-profile titles isn't unexpected.  It's about money and marketshare.

3) It's Bioware/EA's forum, so we play by their rules.  If you had a forum of you own, you could make the rules, too.

[BaronIveagh]

Here's the real problem: Origin, despite Chris' assertions, acts like spyware. It meets almost all the definitions of Spyware under the law, but dodges just enough to avoid jail time/fines. Even Steam, much as I dislike it, does not mess with file permissions.

[cgradel]

I just wanted to quickly state my disappointment on this decision.

This type of proprietary release is going to start to hurt not only the sales of the individual product, but the industry as a whole. One of PC Gaming's primary issues as compared with Console was the confusing nature of the game buying/installing experience and the lack of a unified social network.

Creating a ton of separate distribution services for each publisher, with different install processes, different social networks, and different DRM schemes really only hurts the customer and the platform as a whole.

I love Blizzard, but it constantly annoys me that no one on my Steam list knows when I am playing Starcraft unless they log into the game. That type of fractured experience is not positive towards encouraging growth in the industry as a whole. I bought Starcraft due to the fact that I love the game, and I have always been fond of Blizzard as a company, but the fractured experience of the Battle.net ID vs the Steam ID made me think twice about that purchase.

In this case I refuse to support EA in their attempt to fracture the PC Gaming market in order to push their proprietary product. If they were to implement some sort of Origin enabled DLC solution (similar to Mass Effect 2) on Steam, or a cross compatibility option with Steam(similar to Battlefield Bad Company 2 or Microsoft's Games for Windows Games) then I would also buy it.

As things stand however, I will not be purchasing Mass Effect 3, despite my long history of purchasing and loving all of BioWare's games. I hope that you guys might reconsider at some point.

Modifié par cgradel, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:14 .

[TheCapulet]

I won't be buying it then. Sorry Bio.

[ArkkAngel007]

Daeel wrote...

jreezy wrote...

photographerleia wrote...

themastakillah wrote...

skuko wrote...

after having experienced origin with BF3, i will vote against it the only way i can - WITH MY WALLET.

BioWare, you just lost a customer.

**** you.

bioware can't do ish about this, its EA

Bioware IS EA at this point. 

Yeah...No.

Yes, they are. If EA tells them what to do. Who can work there. What they can work on and for how long. Do you honestly make a distinction between EA and Bioware?

That is not how it works.  Way to oversimplify a complex business relationship.

[FrankMoore]

good for you TheCapulet. This topic is full of these kinds of remarks.

[ct1615]

[/quote]


2) The fact that EA is requiring Origins for certain high-profile titles isn't unexpected.  It's about money and marketshare.

[/quote]

then why doesn't EA/BIOware admit that instead us telling people BS stories about "patch delivery and better customer experience".  

[Alpha Bootis]

ct1615 wrote...
Because it sounds like crap and just an excuse to push origin onto people. 

It doesn't only sound like... it factually is.
There are a million and then some publishers on Steam and then EA tags along with their own store and then they go like "but we don't like steam, its restrictive" wich consering the fact we are talking EA might as well be interpreted as "we get less money if you use Steam so you must use our piece of bs webshop".

You have to be duller then a bag of hammers to actually beleive EA honestly feels steam is too restrictive and that that is THE reason you need Origin.

Modifié par Alpha Bootis, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:18 .

[ArkkAngel007]

cgradel wrote...

I just wanted to quickly state my disappointment on this decision.

This type of proprietary release is going to start to hurt not only the sales of the individual product, but the industry as a whole. One of PC Gaming's primary issues as compared with Console was the confusing nature of the game buying/installing experience and the lack of a unified social network.

Creating a tone of separate distribution services for each publisher, with different install processes, different social networks, and different DRM schemes really only hurts the customer, and the platform as a whole.

I love Blizzard, but it constantly annoys me that no one on my Steam list knows when I am playing Starcraft unless they log into the game. That type of fractured experience is not positive towards encouraging growth in the industry as a whole. I bought Starcraft due to the fact that I love the game, and I have always been fond of Blizzard as a company, but it still made me think twice.

In this case I refuse to support EA in their attempt to fracture the PC Gaming market in order to push their proprietary product. If they were to implement some sort of Origin enabled DLC solution (similar to Mass Effect 2) on Steam, or a cross compatibility option with Steam(similar to Battlefield Bad Company 2 or Microsoft's Games for Windows Games) then I would also buy it.

As things stand however, I will not be purchasing Mass Effect 3, despite my long history of purchasing and loving all of BioWare's games. I hope that you guys might reconsider at some point.

Um...Blizzard came before Steam/Valve and had their own multiplayer service.

Not everyone should have to use Steam just because it became widely successful.  If companies want to try their hand at a separate service, or continue to use their own, then that is perfectly acceptable.  Forcing otherwise so that they have to cut in a third party/fourth party for fees and sales is not.

I see your point, but it isn't good to monopolize everything either.

[photographerleia]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

The choice of buying Mass Effect/Dragon Age DLC from other shops. Which, let's be honest, sucks. Not saying they aren't allowed to do it, but I like to have some freedom to purchase games and DLC, even if I have to register it on the same place (Origin, Steam, whereever).

That's, stupid.

Why do you care for that?

Besides, you can only buy ME2 DLC's here.
And guess what?
NOBODY CARES!

This BS complaint came only after Origin started to exist.

Some of us don't mind buying the DLC from Bioware's website, the way we've been doing it:  by downloading a file from the website via our browser, the way files have been downloaded for almost two decades now. 

I don't care if all Bioware DLCs are exclusive to purchase and download directly from Bioware.  I just don't want to have to install a client/spyware to do it. 

This.  Having to d/l DLC from bioware is a pain, but as long as I'm not required to have a client to make it work, then I'm a okay with that.

[Daeel]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...


That is not how it works.  Way to oversimplify a complex business relationship.

I'm sorry if Bioware isn't your special ittle' company anymore but it's time to wake up. If EA games handles the resources and the hiring. What other conclusion can you draw? That EA game just lets Bioware do what they want?

No. they are the same company, clearly. Some people just refuse to believe it.