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[RaenImrahl]

ct1615 wrote...

2) The fact that EA is requiring Origins for certain high-profile titles isn't unexpected.  It's about money and marketshare.

then why doesn't EA/BIOware admit that instead us telling people BS stories about "patch delivery and better customer experience".  

Don't know and don't care.  All I can say is, having been tangentially involved in the last patching effort for DA:O-- yes, it's harder for them to patch games via Steam, especially if they want to move a potential fix out fast as an open beta.

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:18 .

[v0rt3x22]

Can we move most of you guys over here please? --> http://forums.steamp...splay.php?f=498

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:19 .

[EimiYoshikawa]

massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/03/bioware-founders-we-make-the-decisions-not-ea/

"I always chuckle because we are EA, we're BioWare -- we're both, and we still have huge autonomy in terms of what we do," co-founder Greg Zeschuk recently told Eurogamer.

Modifié par EimiYoshikawa, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:22 .

[Mister Mida]

RaenImrahl wrote...


All I can say is, having been tangentially involved in the last patching effort for DA:O-- yes, it's harder for them to patch games via Steam, especially if they want to move a potential fix out fast as an open beta.

That is interesting to know.

[streamlock]

I'm sure this has been asked, but am I under the correct assumption that after you validate it for the single player you can uninstall origin or otherwise run it in offline mode?

I believe being a BSN member and via my old BF2 account I already have an Origin account whether I like it or not, so I can actually live with that if that is the case.

[Killjoy Cutter]

cgradel wrote...

I just wanted to quickly state my disappointment on this decision.

This type of proprietary release is going to start to hurt not only the sales of the individual product, but the industry as a whole. One of PC Gaming's primary issues as compared with Console was the confusing nature of the game buying/installing experience and the lack of a unified social network.

Creating a ton of separate distribution services for each publisher, with different install processes, different social networks, and different DRM schemes really only hurts the customer and the platform as a whole.

I love Blizzard, but it constantly annoys me that no one on my Steam list knows when I am playing Starcraft unless they log into the game. That type of fractured experience is not positive towards encouraging growth in the industry as a whole. I bought Starcraft due to the fact that I love the game, and I have always been fond of Blizzard as a company, but the fractured experience of the Battle.net ID vs the Steam ID made me think twice about that purchase.

In this case I refuse to support EA in their attempt to fracture the PC Gaming market in order to push their proprietary product. If they were to implement some sort of Origin enabled DLC solution (similar to Mass Effect 2) on Steam, or a cross compatibility option with Steam(similar to Battlefield Bad Company 2 or Microsoft's Games for Windows Games) then I would also buy it.

As things stand however, I will not be purchasing Mass Effect 3, despite my long history of purchasing and loving all of BioWare's games. I hope that you guys might reconsider at some point.

There isn't anything confusing about buying or installing PC games.  You go check the system requirements, make sure you have what the game needs, then go buy the game, and install it.  There is ZERO need for digital distribution clients or handholding. 

As for the "social networks", who gives a damn?  The PC gaming market is not a "social network". 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:32 .

[Ahglock]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

That is not how it works.  Way to oversimplify a complex business relationship.

I don't think there is a complex business arrangement.  As I understand it Bioware is wholly owned by EA.(though I could be wrong, I have been before)  Probably the only reason they keep the name Bioware is because the name has enough value, more value in the RPG market than EA would.  Bioware is EA.  

[Vieuxcruex]

Chris, why do you people do this to us. Its bad enough that I must constantly be online to play my DA ultimate edition. Otherwise your shoddy server check won't let me play my saved games. Its bad enough that I am forced to DISCONNECT my internet to play Mercenaries Two, because once again Ea's servers have been shut down and it practically BRICKS my xbox until I get up and yank the power cord out.

Now, when I finally get a computer thats actually good enough to get most of your back catalogue for a third time, you've decided that I must install a hardware inefficient piece of crippleware, that decides it has the right to scan my files and computer without my permission. Excellent choice old chap, another game I shall buy second hand.

[Mister Mida]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Can we move most of you guys over here please? --> 

I can't speak for others, but I'm not going there.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:24 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Can we move most of you guys over here please? --> http://forums.steamp...splay.php?f=498

I don't use Steam or have any games that require Steam, so no. 

[ct1615]

RaenImrahl wrote...

ct1615 wrote...

2) The fact that EA is requiring Origins for certain high-profile titles isn't unexpected.  It's about money and marketshare.

then why doesn't EA/BIOware admit that instead us telling people BS stories about "patch delivery and better customer experience".  

Don't know and don't care.  All I can say is, having been tangentially involved in the last patching effort for DA:O-- yes, it's harder for them to patch games via Steam, especially if they want to move a potential fix out fast as an open beta.

At least that's a more detailed answer then we get with the EA biolerplate line.

[XCPTNL]

cgradel wrote...

I love Blizzard, but it constantly annoys me that no one on my Steam list knows when I am playing Starcraft unless they log into the game. That type of fractured experience is not positive towards encouraging growth in the industry as a whole. I bought Starcraft due to the fact that I love the game, and I have always been fond of Blizzard as a company, but the fractured experience of the Battle.net ID vs the Steam ID made me think twice about that purchase.
 

You can add Starcraft as a non-Steam game and start it from there. It will show up in your friends list then that you play a non-steam game see the name of the game, so basically they will see that you are playing Stracraft.

But I feel you, I have the same problem with this and it took me a long long time to finally buy Starcraft 2 anyways but I'm not glad that it's not available as a Steam game and it also is the only PC game I own nowadays that is not on Steam. The difference here compared to ME3 is: you have to log into Battle.net but you don't have to use a stupid, buggy spywarish client like Origin. I wouldn't have a problem with ME3 requiring you to register the game here or something (although I would still only buy a Steam version) but splitting my games (especially the ME Trilogy) into 2 clients and being forced to download and use that crapware Origin-client is an absolute no go for me.

[Alex_SM]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
When you buy a game from a shop, the disk can obviously only be in one console/PC at a time - there is only one disk. Thats what you are paying for - the right to play that disk in a system (console or PC). If you borrow it from a friend, that one disk is still only being played in one system.

That depends on the country. In Spanish legislation the owner of the disc can make copies of it, because it considers that the owner of the disc is the owner of the product (the thing of the license of use is not really accepted by our legislation, as many judges had stated in many times). As long as those copies are never sold, or used to earn money in any way, there is no problem. 

Even with our last law (pushed by US government using blackmailing us, by music lobbies pressure, and which constituted a scandal here) no one who makes/uses/shares copies without earning any money in the process, is doing anything punishable. 

So you could borrow a game, and it could be played in two systems at the same time. 

[cgradel]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

cgradel wrote...

I just wanted to quickly state my disappointment on this decision.

This type of proprietary release is going to start to hurt not only the sales of the individual product, but the industry as a whole. One of PC Gaming's primary issues as compared with Console was the confusing nature of the game buying/installing experience and the lack of a unified social network.

Creating a tone of separate distribution services for each publisher, with different install processes, different social networks, and different DRM schemes really only hurts the customer, and the platform as a whole.

I love Blizzard, but it constantly annoys me that no one on my Steam list knows when I am playing Starcraft unless they log into the game. That type of fractured experience is not positive towards encouraging growth in the industry as a whole. I bought Starcraft due to the fact that I love the game, and I have always been fond of Blizzard as a company, but it still made me think twice.

In this case I refuse to support EA in their attempt to fracture the PC Gaming market in order to push their proprietary product. If they were to implement some sort of Origin enabled DLC solution (similar to Mass Effect 2) on Steam, or a cross compatibility option with Steam(similar to Battlefield Bad Company 2 or Microsoft's Games for Windows Games) then I would also buy it.

As things stand however, I will not be purchasing Mass Effect 3, despite my long history of purchasing and loving all of BioWare's games. I hope that you guys might reconsider at some point.

Um...Blizzard came before Steam/Valve and had their own multiplayer service.

Not everyone should have to use Steam just because it became widely successful.  If companies want to try their hand at a separate service, or continue to use their own, then that is perfectly acceptable.  Forcing otherwise so that they have to cut in a third party/fourth party for fees and sales is not.

I see your point, but it isn't good to monopolize everything either.

Actually, from a user experience point of view, monopolizing IS better.  That is exactly what Apple does with their products, and what the consoles do with their ecosystems, which is how they create a seamless (or close to it) experience.

That being said, I am not trying to advocate that everyone must use Steam.  I am trying to advocate at the very least that social networks should be cross compatible so that everyone could talk to everyone else.  Competition overall is a good thing.  I just don't want to lose the easy PC Gaming experience that Steam has been working to cultivate.  That type of experience is incredibly important for the PC platform to compete against today's consoles.  

[FrankMoore]

I find it prette funny that some people here dont see that ea only does this for one reason and that is to cut costs and make more money. The bad thing is that they totally overlook their target group in this story. I for one am done with ea and will not buy any more games from them, untill they remove this mandatory crap thing. The nerve of these idiots forceing me to use a beta spy application that lacks everything that steams been having for years already. The idea that they can offer the same service level as steam does normally. How stupid are these people with ties over at ea corp, no seriously! I really wonder who these people are and how they think about the future of the gaming industry.

[photographerleia]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Can we move most of you guys over here please? --> http://forums.steamp...splay.php?f=498

I don't use Steam or have any games that require Steam, so no. 

Why take the conversation away from the people that need to hear it the most?  Plus, not all of us Use Steam.  I dislike all clients equally, with a little extra venom reserved for Origin.

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:31 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

cgradel wrote...

Actually, from a user experience point of view, monopolizing IS better.  That is exactly what Apple does with their products, and what the consoles do with their ecosystems, which is how they create a seamless (or close to it) experience.

It's that approach that makes Apple products so aggravating. 

[Mister Mida]

cgradel wrote...

Actually, from a user experience point of view, monopolizing IS better.  That is exactly what Apple does with their products, and what the consoles do with their ecosystems, which is how they create a seamless (or close to it) experience.

A PC is not a Mac or a console.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:30 .

[BaronIveagh]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Can we move most of you guys over here please? --> http://forums.steamp...splay.php?f=498

I don't use Steam or have any games that require Steam, so no. 

Ditto.

Sorry, I'm not a 'steam baby' as one of the fanboys called people angry about this earlier.  I don't give a damn about ME3 appearing or not appearing on Steam.  What I do give a damn about is Origin being shoved down my throat. 

[Incognito JC]

photographerleia wrote...

Why take the conversation away from the people that need to hear it the most?

"Vortex" was trying to be funny, indirectly calling some posters Steam fanboy. Or hypocrites.

[Pcmag1]

To whomever may concern
Dear Bioware My name is Michal Dvořák I am 21 years old and I am from Czech Republic I have a Bioware profile Pcmag1 which I provide so that you my check that all my statements are actually true.
I have been a fan of Bioware since the Baldur’s Gate. Every game from Bioware I have actually purchased and you know, that it is not a common thing for people to do now. However the moment that really changed my gaming life and my relationship towards your company was the release of Mass Effect. Even though compared to other next-gen games it felt more like a great idea sold in unfinished piece of engine. I immediately fell in love with this game. I played it at least six times and every time I enjoyed it. My game crush even deepened with the release of Dragon Age. Both these, world absolutely amazed me and I was willing to spend money for all available expansions because it reminded me of how good games can be. Mass Effect 2 and even (bit disappointing) Dragon Age 2 I preordered and waited for, because I knew it would be better than anything any other company could cook up. I even purchased SW:TOR and I was willing to pay for it because it is really good. Obviously I had the ME3 N7 collectors edition preordered.
But the Origin news? I am sorry, you have sold out. Whether it was a marketing decision or anti piracy decision it is aimed against me. I forces me to acquire a piece of software I don’t want. It will force me to agree to an agreement I can’t agree with (some conditions are actually illegal in Czech Rep. nobody just pursued it … yet). And above all it will require me to give up information about me I do not wish to give up. I tried origin and it gave me a hard fight to successfully purge it of my PC and I will never install this spyware on my PC again (spy•ware noun Computers .
software, that gathers information about an Internet user's browsing habits or intercepts personal data, transmitting this information to a third party for commercial gain)

I am an idealist and I believe that after the negative media backlash you will reconsider this decision. If however not, during February I will cancel my preorder of ME3. I will cancel my subscription of SW:TOR. And I will start talking about my reasons for not supporting Origin, and you know that there are many.
I know this is silly, but I considered Bioware to be sort of friendly company. And this is really cheap shot from you. Because what the hell did I ever do to you to deserve this kind of treatment?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Can we PLEASE stop confusing the Origin issue with the love affair some people have with Steam?

PLEASE?

If EA doesn't want to do business with Valve/Steam, that's their choice. It's completely irrelevent to the subject of Origin being a mandatory requirement to play a single-player offline game.

[Ryzaki]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Can we PLEASE stop confusing the Origin issue with the love affair some people have with Steam?

PLEASE?

If EA doesn't want to do business with Valve/Steam, that's their choice. It's completely irrelevent to the subject of Origin being a mandatory requirement to play a single-player offline game.

This.

I'm planning on buying a boxed physical copy. WTF does that have to do with Steam? 

[PSUHammer]

The main issue for me is that Origin is mandatory for some games. At least Steam is mostly optional. Any time these services are forced on you is a bad thing. I have no problem with them being optional.

Games for Windows Live is the worst example for me.

[Daeel]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Can we PLEASE stop confusing the Origin issue with the love affair some people have with Steam?

PLEASE?

If EA doesn't want to do business with Valve/Steam, that's their choice. It's completely irrelevent to the subject of Origin being a mandatory requirement to play a single-player offline game.

Yes. Don't be pulled in by their silly little tactics. They want to sideline the real issue here.

WHY IS ORIGIN MANDATORY.