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[cgradel]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

There isn't anything confusing about buying or installing PC games.  You go check the system requirements, make sure you have what the game needs, then go buy the game, and install it.  There is ZERO need for digital distribution clients or handholding. 

As for the "social networks", who gives a damn?

1.  Ease of experience is what has been allowing consoles to murder the PC in sales for the past several years.  PC gaming used to be the dominant gaming platform, and now it is second seat to consoles because it became too confusing and coles so easy.  

2.  Social Networks sell games.  I can't tell you how many people of my friends list own Defense Grid: The Awakening because they saw a couple of people playing it after the first Steam sale and had to buy it.  The better the social network the better the user experience (You do want to be able to play games with your friends, right?) and the more games that are sold.  Everyone wins.  

[FrankMoore]

During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.

so, for mass effect 1 and 2 these terms where of no big deal, but now that origin has arrived it has become a big deal? You full of it Chris! This is the crap ea wanted you to post to convince the stupid people it is oke? Just be honest at least, you owe use that. Just tell ea does this to get origin full of users, to cut cost and make larger margins! Dont think we are monkey here!

[v0rt3x22]

Ok let me re-phrase:

Origin problem - http://forum.ea.com/.../show/3917.page
Steam problem - http://forums.steamp...splay.php?f=498

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:34 .

[Alpha Bootis]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Can we move most of you guys over here please? --> http://forums.steamp...splay.php?f=498

I don't use Steam or have any games that require Steam, so no. 

Ditto.

Sorry, I'm not a 'steam baby' as one of the fanboys called people angry about this earlier.  I don't give a damn about ME3 appearing or not appearing on Steam.  What I do give a damn about is Origin being shoved down my throat. 

QFT

I am a Steam customer, but i couln't give a rats ass weather its released to steam or not. Just don't want and/or need Origin.

[GirlPower23]

EimiYoshikawa wrote...

massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/03/bioware-founders-we-make-the-decisions-not-ea/

"I always chuckle because we are EA, we're BioWare -- we're both, and we still have huge autonomy in terms of what we do," co-founder Greg Zeschuk recently told Eurogamer.

If this is true then why don't they tell EA to STFU and release it on Steam.. oh wait.. Yea that's what I thought. More PR BS.

[shepskisaac]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Ok let me re-phrase:

Origin problem - http://forum.ea.com/.../show/3917.page
Steam problem - http://forums.steamp...splay.php?f=498

Let me remind you to look at the OP. Is the Steam issue part of it? Yes. Therefore it's part of the thread, deal with it

[Pixieking]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Can we PLEASE stop confusing the Origin issue with the love affair some people have with Steam?

PLEASE?

If EA doesn't want to do business with Valve/Steam, that's their choice. It's completely irrelevent to the subject of Origin being a mandatory requirement to play a single-player offline game.

Yes, this is true. But with both points raised in the first post of this thread - the mandatory use of Origin, and the lack of ME3 on Steam - it is valid to raise questions about the lack of a release on Steam.

But, yes, it does confuse matters when there's so many differeing reasons for complaining in this thread.

[shepskisaac]

GirlPower23 wrote...

EimiYoshikawa wrote...

massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/03/bioware-founders-we-make-the-decisions-not-ea/

"I always chuckle because we are EA, we're BioWare -- we're both, and we still have huge autonomy in terms of what we do," co-founder Greg Zeschuk recently told Eurogamer.

If this is true then why don't they tell EA to STFU and release it on Steam.. oh wait.. Yea that's what I thought. More PR BS.

BS or not, Muzyka is the only person who we can get to do something. None of the lower BW devs (even Casey), have any real say in EA. Ray Muzyka however is not just the head of BioWare division of EA, but also one of the EA CEOs. If we wanna achieve something, we need to contant him.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:38 .

[v0rt3x22]

IsaacShep wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Ok let me re-phrase:

Origin problem - http://forum.ea.com/.../show/3917.page
Steam problem - http://forums.steamp...splay.php?f=498

Let me remind you to look at the OP. Is the Steam issue part of it? Yes. Therefore it's part of the thread, deal with it

What I'm trying to say is that Bioware is just a relay here. Not the source of the problem.
You guys need to be heard closer to the higher ups.

[Pixieking]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Ok let me re-phrase:

Origin problem - http://forum.ea.com/.../show/3917.page
Steam problem - http://forums.steamp...splay.php?f=498

Complaining about the lack of a Steam release in the one place where EA totally don't care about complaints? Um. No thanks. At least here EA might listen to us.

[Killjoy Cutter]

cgradel wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

There isn't anything confusing about buying or installing PC games.  You go check the system requirements, make sure you have what the game needs, then go buy the game, and install it.  There is ZERO need for digital distribution clients or handholding. 

As for the "social networks", who gives a damn?

1.  Ease of experience is what has been allowing consoles to murder the PC in sales for the past several years.  PC gaming used to be the dominant gaming platform, and now it is second seat to consoles because it became too confusing and coles so easy.  

2.  Social Networks sell games.  I can't tell you how many people of my friends list own Defense Grid: The Awakening because they saw a couple of people playing it after the first Steam sale and had to buy it.  The better the social network the better the user experience (You do want to be able to play games with your friends, right?) and the more games that are sold.  Everyone wins.  

Every time someone tries to make my experience "easier", they just end up making it worse. 

I own a PC because I want to be in control of what's going on in my computer.  I don't own anything Apple (in fact, I'm pretty much an iConoclast when it comes to the Cult of Jobs), and I don't own any consoles.  I want my PC to be a PC, and I want to use it like a PC.  What I don't want is my PC to become more like console or Apple crippleware. 

As for the social networks, the ongoing effort to make computer gaming a "social" experience is a large part of what is ruining gaming for me. 

[Alex_SM]

IsaacShep wrote...

GirlPower23 wrote...

EimiYoshikawa wrote...

massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/03/bioware-founders-we-make-the-decisions-not-ea/

"I always chuckle because we are EA, we're BioWare -- we're both, and we still have huge autonomy in terms of what we do," co-founder Greg Zeschuk recently told Eurogamer.

If this is true then why don't they tell EA to STFU and release it on Steam.. oh wait.. Yea that's what I thought. More PR BS.

BS or not, Muzyka is the only person who we can get to do something. None of the lower BW devs (even Casey), have any real say in EA. Ray Muzyka however is not just the head of BioWare division of EA, but also one of the EA CEOs. If we wanna achieve something, we need to contant him.

The interesting line is: "Way, way back, years ago, we didn't even consider those [commercial elements], we just made stuff"

And maybe that was the reason why it was the right stuff. 

[FrankMoore]

do the pro origin lover in this topic even understand that orign is still beta and in now way does it even come close to the service level steam overs? You dont just do more then 10 years of development in a couple of months. The last time i checked origin was stil beta

[markkau]

2) Is constant Origin connection required or is it a single one off authentication when the game is first installed. Is there also a limit to the number of installations available?
Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single authorization for the single player game. There is no limit to the number of installs. Playing Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer will require a constant connection.

Thank you for this! I am not too fussed about using origin, but the ability to play the single player portion offline is a big deal. I pre-ordered the game on origin but I might be moving some time after the game is released, so the fact that I can still play if i don't have a constant connection (once the game is activated) is great news. I appreciate Bioware actually giving consideration to the fact that not everyone always has a constant internet connection ready to go and that they shouldn't suffer for it. I just wish developers could come up with a form of DRM that doesn't punish paying customers while people who pirate seem to skip the DRM altogether.

[Ryzaki]

FrankMoore wrote...

do the pro origin lover in this topic even understand that orign is still beta and in now way does it even come close to the service level steam overs? You dont just do more then 10 years of development in a couple of months. The last time i checked origin was stil beta

Apparently Origin's been around for 7 years. Just with different names.

Still s*** though.

[Pixieking]

ct1615 wrote...


2) The fact that EA is requiring Origins for certain high-profile titles isn't unexpected.  It's about money and marketshare.

then why doesn't EA/BIOware admit that instead us telling people BS stories about "patch delivery and better customer experience".  

^This. So, totally, this.

If EA want to force people to use Origin, if they want to not release on Steam, if they want to kill little kittens and package them as part of the DRM, that's fine. But be bloody honest about it.

Modifié par Emoking, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:42 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Alex_SM wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

GirlPower23 wrote...

EimiYoshikawa wrote...

massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/03/bioware-founders-we-make-the-decisions-not-ea/

"I always chuckle because we are EA, we're BioWare -- we're both, and we still have huge autonomy in terms of what we do," co-founder Greg Zeschuk recently told Eurogamer.

If this is true then why don't they tell EA to STFU and release it on Steam.. oh wait.. Yea that's what I thought. More PR BS.

BS or not, Muzyka is the only person who we can get to do something. None of the lower BW devs (even Casey), have any real say in EA. Ray Muzyka however is not just the head of BioWare division of EA, but also one of the EA CEOs. If we wanna achieve something, we need to contant him.

The interesting line is: "Way, way back, years ago, we didn't even consider those [commercial elements], we just made stuff"

And maybe that was the reason why it was the right stuff. 

As I said elsewhere, the moment a creative content company starts prioritizing demographics, target markets, the marketing potential of the content, what other companies are doing, and so on, they cease to be a creative company, and start extruding product.  They might as well be making breakfast cereal or window treatments

[casadechrisso]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Can we PLEASE stop confusing the Origin issue with the love affair some people have with Steam?

PLEASE?

If EA doesn't want to do business with Valve/Steam, that's their choice. It's completely irrelevent to the subject of Origin being a mandatory requirement to play a single-player offline game.

Both issues are adressed in the OP, people who want the game on Steam have a valid reason to voice their concerns in this thread too.
As I said before, it's not all about Steam and not all about Spyware and not all about the EULA, different people have different concerns that are all related to the OP.

The one thing that brings us all on the same level is that we don't want Origin forced on us.

[BaronIveagh]

Emoking wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Ok let me re-phrase:

Origin problem - http://forum.ea.com/.../show/3917.page
Steam problem - http://forums.steamp...splay.php?f=498

Complaining about the lack of a Steam release in the one place where EA totally don't care about complaints? Um. No thanks. At least here EA might listen to us.

Sorry, but yes, because no one really reads EAs forums, that's why they are there.  So that people with beef are segregated from thsoe that are looking to buy stuff.  In this forum, people coem to read up on games they're thinking about buying, where complaints Mass(ivly) Effect EA's bottom line, which they DO care about.

[Pixieking]

Ryzaki wrote...

FrankMoore wrote...

do the pro origin lover in this topic even understand that orign is still beta and in now way does it even come close to the service level steam overs? You dont just do more then 10 years of development in a couple of months. The last time i checked origin was stil beta

Apparently Origin's been around for 7 years. Just with different names.

Still s*** though.

Yup

http://en.wikipedia....ntent_delivery)

"EA Downloader was launched in late 2005.[8] It was replaced by EA Link
in November 2006, adding trailers, demos and special content to the
content delivery service. In September 2007, it was once again replaced
by the combination of EA Store and EA Download Manager.[9] Users purchase from the EA Store website and use the downloadable EADM client to download their games.[10] Games bought via EA Link was downloadable using the EA Download Manager.[11] The store and client was reopened under the Origin name on June 3, 2011. The constant changes in the software and branding is criticized for being hard to follow."

[MarauderESP]

Emoking wrote...

ct1615 wrote...


2) The fact that EA is requiring Origins for certain high-profile titles isn't unexpected.  It's about money and marketshare.

then why doesn't EA/BIOware admit that instead us telling people BS stories about "patch delivery and better customer experience".  

^This. So, totally, this.

If EA want to force people to use Origin, if they want to not release on Steam, if they want to kill little kittens and package them as part of the DRM, that's fine. But be bloody honest about it.

ehh.... ur actualy asking a company that change their EULA 4 times in a month to be honest..... that is a good joke :lol:

[Ahglock]

GirlPower23 wrote...

EimiYoshikawa wrote...

massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/03/bioware-founders-we-make-the-decisions-not-ea/

"I always chuckle because we are EA, we're BioWare -- we're both, and we still have huge autonomy in terms of what we do," co-founder Greg Zeschuk recently told Eurogamer.

If this is true then why don't they tell EA to STFU and release it on Steam.. oh wait.. Yea that's what I thought. More PR BS.

It is probably true in a sense.  Lots of companies are wholly owned by a parent company and their day to day operations are not determined by the parent company and they have some autonomy.  This is farily pragmatic since the head of Bioware has a better idea of RPG gameplay than the head of EA.  But at the end of the day any time the parent company wants to drop the hammer they can, so if the parent company says form now on all games will use origin they will.

 EA will create policies, maybe deadlines things like that but they probably wont tell Bioware to make sure to go back to die rolls in their RPGs because the CEO's kid loves to play D&D.  They will trust Bioware to make the right choices in that regard, at least until they start failing at which point they will fire people and put in the people they want,  

[Pixieking]

MarauderESP wrote...

Emoking wrote...

ct1615 wrote...


2) The fact that EA is requiring Origins for certain high-profile titles isn't unexpected.  It's about money and marketshare.

then why doesn't EA/BIOware admit that instead us telling people BS stories about "patch delivery and better customer experience".  

^This. So, totally, this.

If EA want to force people to use Origin, if they want to not release on Steam, if they want to kill little kittens and package them as part of the DRM, that's fine. But be bloody honest about it.

ehh.... ur actualy asking a company that change their EULA 4 times in a month to be honest..... that is a good joke :lol:

Damn... Good point. Momentary fail on my part there.

[casadechrisso]

IsaacShep wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Ok let me re-phrase:

Origin problem - http://forum.ea.com/.../show/3917.page
Steam problem - http://forums.steamp...splay.php?f=498

Let me remind you to look at the OP. Is the Steam issue part of it? Yes. Therefore it's part of the thread, deal with it

Two things:

1. I don't need the game on Steam, although I support people who do. I just want to decide where to buy and what to use, so I'm mainly against Origin forced on me.

2. As for the EA/Steam fight, I see the main faults on EA's side, because with the DLC business it's just too obvious who's greedier. Therefore, I have no reason to complain to Valve and all reason to complain here if I want to complain about this particular issue.

Conclusion: This is the right place to voice concerns.

[Incognito JC]

Ryzaki wrote...

Apparently Origin's been around for 7 years. Just with different names.

Still s*** though.

Adding to this, apparently Origin is just a revamped EADM and whatever its predecessors are called.

You'd think EA would learn a thing or two to make Origin pleasant from that one other competitor.

Still **** though.

Edit: Ninja'd by Emoking

Modifié par Incognito JC, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:47 .