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[photographerleia]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

As I said elsewhere, the moment a creative content company starts prioritizing demographics, target markets, the marketing potential of the content, what other companies are doing, and so on, they cease to be a creative company, and start extruding product.  They might as well be making breakfast cereal or window treatments

Coming to think of it, it is funny that they have gone to so much effort to make their games appeal to everyone (simplified combat and interface, multi-player, minimizing numbers, etc.) yet they make their DRM more and more exclusive - thus ostracizing a good portion of people they say they want to appeal to. 

If I had my way I'd ask for a non stremlined, single player experience without draconian DRM; but right now I'll settle for the no draconian DRM (read: Origin) part.

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:47 .

[FrankMoore]

I know it was a simple downloading programm with a different name before. It still is a piece of **** application, especially when you compaire it to steam. The development that steam got over the years is something origin could only hope to have in the future. Origin is the same as GamesForWindows, but these two got nothing on steam. This makes steam competitor nr 1 for ea. And this is the way they attack, leaving the customers behind with rubish

[abaris]

ct1615 wrote...

then why doesn't EA/BIOware admit that instead us telling people BS stories about "patch delivery and better customer experience".  

Simply because the PR department will never say, we want to exploit the market as much as possible.

You will never get an answer like that from any company. Just learn to read between the lines. If some "better customer experience" or "being excited" over is thrown on the table it's always "it's good for us, so don't bother asking".

Folks, you're dealing with shareholder business. Learn their language to understand what they're saying.

photographerleia wrote...


Coming to think of it, it is
funny that they have gone to so much effort to make their games appeal
to everyone (simplified combat and interface, multi-player, minimizing
numbers, etc.) yet they make their DRM more and more exclusive - thus
ostracizing a good portion of people they say they want to appeal to. 

If
I had my way I'd ask for a non stremlined, single player experience
without draconian DRM; but right now I'll settle for the no draconian
DRM (read: Origin) part.

Again, as I said in the morning. It's a brilliant move to introduce it with the final part of an acclaimed trilogy. There are enough people drooling to play it. The ones being bothered by yet another client are a minority.

I am amongst that minority and I have made my choice not to buy under these conditions. But I'm very aware that I won't change their decision by doing so. It's simply my principle not to let any software into my hard drive that is capable of sniffing out my personal life.

Modifié par abaris, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:54 .

[FrankMoore]

still that minority is a big pill of money that ea and bioware will nog be able to carry to the bank. I can guerantee you that some will get the game of a friend and others via a not so legal way. As origin snifs around our computers, I'll be sniffing around usenet that day

[v0rt3x22]

I wonder if Origin was worth the trouble for EA - as there is so much rage now across all EA Game fan bases - and it's sad with a highly anticipated title such as ME3.

[TheRealJayDee]

Zkyire wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Please, dear moderators/Bioware staff, please just sticky this thread. This is ridiculous and embarassing, and not helping anyone.

It wasn't stickied.

Then it was stickied (after multiple requests to have it stickied).

Then it was un-stickied.

I know. I just think it is sad they won't sticky a thread that deals with one of THE major topics related to ME3, which also happens to be about REQUIREMENTS TO PLAY THE GAME. They've been trying to keep this topic from being discussed for the last months, while telling uns we'd be getting answers as soon as they have them. Now we kind of have answers, and they act like they hope this discussion while just disappear over time. This should be beneath them. Not making this topic and discussion easily visible for everyone coming to the forums from now on just seems like they're trying to hide the Origin issue, and besides the fact that I will personally help tp bump this thread or similar threads from now until release, that is just weak.

Man up, Bioware!

[Coreniro]

what about a class action against EA? I read the users licence agreement for origin and it seems to me that their spywaring has the only purpose to bust illegal downloaders. I've got nothing against their motives (well... almost nothing), they want to protect their investment, but noone can prevent a crime nor can he identify a criminal by checking every single breath he takes. There's a reason why it is an illegal act.

[Ahglock]

abaris wrote...

Again, as I said in the morning. It's a brilliant move to introduce it with the final part of an acclaimed trilogy. There are enough people drooling to play it. The ones being bothered by yet another client are a minority.

I am amongst that minority and I have made my choice not to buy under these conditions. But I'm very aware that I won't change their decision by doing so. It's simply my principle not to let any software into my hard drive that is capable of sniffing out my personal life.

Maybe.  I think they sold less units on the PC than they did on the PS3 and that came out what a year or 2 after the initial launch.  Even if every PC player of ME2 did not buy ME3 they are looking at losing a about 1/2 million sales.  It may be the end of a trillogy, but the number of people they might ****** off is also very small.  ME started as a XBOX game I just don't think it every got much momentum in the PC market.  

[Alex_SM]

Coreniro wrote...

what about a class action against EA? I read the users licence agreement for origin and it seems to me that their spywaring has the only purpose to bust illegal downloaders. I've got nothing against their motives (well... almost nothing), they want to protect their investment, but noone can prevent a crime nor can he identify a criminal by checking every single breath he takes. There's a reason why it is an illegal act.

I think Origin's EULA says that is you sign, you voluntarily rounce to class actions. 

[Niki78]

This is really sad. I've been a huge Mass Effect fan, I've played the game a couple of times, bought the DLCs, even read some of the books. And now I won't find out how the saga ends :-(

I'm using my PC for work, so I can't have suspicious software like Origin on it. I could loose my job for that.

[FrankMoore]

I know. I just think it is sad they won't sticky a thread that deals with one of THE major topics related to ME3, which also happens to be about REQUIREMENTS TO PLAY THE GAME. They've been trying to keep this topic from being discussed for the last months, while telling uns we'd be getting answers as soon as they have them. Now we kind of have answers, and they act like they hope this discussion while just disappear over time. This should be beneath them. Not making this topic and discussion easily visible for everyone coming to the forums from now on just seems like they're trying to hide the Origin issue, and besides the fact that I will personally help tp bump this thread or similar threads from now until release, that is just weak.

Man up, Bioware!

companies fear damages to their images or when civilians talks negative about your company. This whole matter is generally viewed from a negative point of view, except some people who really think origin is awsome and better then steam, so bioware doesnt want to make it sticky. Just sweep it under the rugg and hope nobodies sees it.

[Archaven]

FrankMoore wrote...

still that minority is a big pill of money that ea and bioware will nog be able to carry to the bank. I can guerantee you that some will get the game of a friend and others via a not so legal way. As origin snifs around our computers, I'll be sniffing around usenet that day

i believe the majority of forumers are just minority compared to all over the countries. they probably just grabbed a physical copy and only notice what's this 'origin' when they are installing.

[v0rt3x22]

The discussion has started on the EA forums now -> http://forum.ea.com/...st/7965982.page

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:04 .

[prothytheprothean]

guys , dont blame bioware! blame EA! they made that spyware origin anyway

[Daeel]

prothytheprothean wrote...

guys , dont blame bioware! blame EA! they made that spyware origin anyway

They are one in the same now. any distinction is purely superficial. 

[Ahglock]

Alex_SM wrote...

Coreniro wrote...

what about a class action against EA? I read the users licence agreement for origin and it seems to me that their spywaring has the only purpose to bust illegal downloaders. I've got nothing against their motives (well... almost nothing), they want to protect their investment, but noone can prevent a crime nor can he identify a criminal by checking every single breath he takes. There's a reason why it is an illegal act.

I think Origin's EULA says that is you sign, you voluntarily rounce to class actions. 

Not sure how well that would hold up, but they can go for it I guess.  Side note I kind of want a class action against the enrtire software industry for the practice of having people sign a contract after the purchase of the product.  

[FrankMoore]

EA Forum is the worst forum that exist on the net. I already opened a topic some time back now. No response nothing. It a death forum. Useless if you ask me

[Mitchumas]

I was just reading that, some pretty unhappy people in there too...

Edit: sorry, wrong page, was talking to a friend over Facebook about the forum that is taking place on the EA site about this too...

Modifié par Mitchumas, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:10 .

[casadechrisso]

prothytheprothean wrote...

guys , dont blame bioware! blame EA! they made that spyware origin anyway

Bioware IS EA... people, please wake up to the fact that Bioware is not an independent studio anymore but part of EA. They were bought up. Already a while ago. What goes to Bioware goes to EA.

[Archaven]

Coreniro wrote...

what about a class action against EA? I read the users licence agreement for origin and it seems to me that their spywaring has the only purpose to bust illegal downloaders. I've got nothing against their motives (well... almost nothing), they want to protect their investment, but noone can prevent a crime nor can he identify a criminal by checking every single breath he takes. There's a reason why it is an illegal act.

i think you don't really get the idea behind this? it's all about profits, market shares and investors. EA is a game publisher themselves and they are pretty jealous with steam with their success. they want to cut them off so that gradually their games will be available exclusively origin.. hence the price control, monopoly and maximize profits.

Modifié par Archaven, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:11 .

[casadechrisso]

FrankMoore wrote...

companies fear damages to their images or when civilians talks negative about your company.

... and if you're creative you can further put pressure on them by damaging the image. The german BF3 players for example found another public way to express their feelings that EA really didn't like...

[Coreniro]

Alex_SM wrote...

Coreniro wrote...

what about a class action against EA? I read the users licence agreement for origin and it seems to me that their spywaring has the only purpose to bust illegal downloaders. I've got nothing against their motives (well... almost nothing), they want to protect their investment, but noone can prevent a crime nor can he identify a criminal by checking every single breath he takes. There's a reason why it is an illegal act.

I think Origin's EULA says that is you sign, you voluntarily rounce to class actions. 

ah, yeah... "By entering into this Agreement, you and EA expressly waive the right to a trial by jury or to participate in a class action.  This agreement is intended to be interpreted broadly.  It covers any and all disputes between us (“Disputes”), including without limitation"
Ok, sorry.

So, either the german guys who found about Origin being a spyware didn't read the whole agreement (and I don't think it's true, German people are too meticulous  -and boring- to skip an important clause such as this), or they read it all but didn't find anything about EA asking the permission to look into their files. By the way, didn't EA just recently add the paragraph called "Consent to Collection and Use of Data"?

[Incognito JC]

casadechrisso wrote...

Bioware IS EA... people, please wake up to the fact that Bioware is not an independent studio anymore but part of EA. They were bought up. Already a while ago. What goes to Bioware goes to EA.

It is still not wrong to hope that the Bioware staff we knew, would try standing up to EA and speak up in our stead. We should not think of them as a hive mind, at least. One can hope.

[casadechrisso]

Coreniro wrote...

German people are too meticulous  -and boring- to skip an important clause such as this

Why thank you so much.

[Alex_SM]

Coreniro wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

Coreniro wrote...

what about a class action against EA? I read the users licence agreement for origin and it seems to me that their spywaring has the only purpose to bust illegal downloaders. I've got nothing against their motives (well... almost nothing), they want to protect their investment, but noone can prevent a crime nor can he identify a criminal by checking every single breath he takes. There's a reason why it is an illegal act.

I think Origin's EULA says that is you sign, you voluntarily rounce to class actions. 

ah, yeah... "By entering into this Agreement, you and EA expressly waive the right to a trial by jury or to participate in a class action.  This agreement is intended to be interpreted broadly.  It covers any and all disputes between us (“Disputes”), including without limitation"
Ok, sorry.

So, either the german guys who found about Origin being a spyware didn't read the whole agreement (and I don't think it's true, German people are too meticulous  -and boring- to skip an important clause such as this), or they read it all but didn't find anything about EA asking the permission to look into their files. By the way, didn't EA just recently add the paragraph called "Consent to Collection and Use of Data"?

That kind of contracts (EULA and all the adhesion contracts) don't hold well in EU nations (maybe except UK). That's not the same for the US. 

In Spain are considered abusives per se by judges. 

Modifié par Alex_SM, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:19 .