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[Moondoggie]

Incognito JC wrote...

It is still not wrong to hope that the Bioware staff we knew, would try standing up to EA and speak up in our stead. We should not think of them as a hive mind, at least. One can hope.

And when have you ever stood up to your employer when they do something you don't agree with when dealing with a customer? Generally that means you lose your job. I'm sure in that situation you and everyone else would stay quiet because you know who signs the cheques that feed your family.

Of course most if not all in Bioware likely don't share the same paranoia and conspiracy propaganda pushing agrenda as the minority of customers.

[FrankMoore]

@ casadechrisso, indeed. This german guy got EA by the balls and ea knew this and changes the content of their EULA. We have the same consumer protection companies in my countries. Perhaps I will open a topic about this if ea really keeps up this monoply war they are after.

[casadechrisso]

The EULA was against German law, so it had no effect. Also, in Germany EULAs in general are rather worthless, because customers must be informed about a contract before they buy the product. Since you can't read the EULA until you open the package and install the software... there you go.

[Coreniro]

Archaven wrote...

Coreniro wrote...

what about a class action against EA? I read the users licence agreement for origin and it seems to me that their spywaring has the only purpose to bust illegal downloaders. I've got nothing against their motives (well... almost nothing), they want to protect their investment, but noone can prevent a crime nor can he identify a criminal by checking every single breath he takes. There's a reason why it is an illegal act.

i think you don't really get the idea behind this? it's all about profits, market shares and investors. EA is a game publisher themselves and they are pretty jealous with steam with their success. they want to cut them off so that gradually their games will be available exclusively origin.. hence the price control, monopoly and maximize profits.

Wanting a slice of the cake isn't illegal. If I were as big as a publisher as them, I'd make my games exclusives too. Do you understand that, by letting steam sell EA games, they let them earn money with Ea's intellectual poperty? It's moronic. If I own Ibrahimovic (or Mass Effect 3), I would never let him play for another team (Steam), knowing that they're going to win the champions league thanks to him. 

[Splinter Cell 108]

prothytheprothean wrote...

guys , dont blame bioware! blame EA! they made that spyware origin anyway

Why not blame BioWare? They dodged this question for a long time, I bet they knew Origin was going to be required for ME3 but they still said nothing in order to avoid losing pre-orders. I've seen this before with other companies, Ubisoft does the same thing too. They keep their mouths shut so nobody can say anything and when they reveal things, it is too late to do anything about it. This is the same case, I doubt anyone is going to do anything about Origin now with only two months left. The only thing that can happen and hopefully will happen (I'm doubtul) is that enough people don't buy the game so that EA is forced to do soemthing about it. 

[Coreniro]

casadechrisso wrote...

Coreniro wrote...

German people are too meticulous  -and boring- to skip an important clause such as this

Why thank you so much.

I'm joking!
I'm italian, and if you're german you should know that it's not the best thing to be right now!

[Alpha Bootis]

Coreniro wrote...

Archaven wrote...

Coreniro wrote...

what about a class action against EA? I read the users licence agreement for origin and it seems to me that their spywaring has the only purpose to bust illegal downloaders. I've got nothing against their motives (well... almost nothing), they want to protect their investment, but noone can prevent a crime nor can he identify a criminal by checking every single breath he takes. There's a reason why it is an illegal act.

i think you don't really get the idea behind this? it's all about profits, market shares and investors. EA is a game publisher themselves and they are pretty jealous with steam with their success. they want to cut them off so that gradually their games will be available exclusively origin.. hence the price control, monopoly and maximize profits.

Wanting a slice of the cake isn't illegal. If I were as big as a publisher as them, I'd make my games exclusives too. Do you understand that, by letting steam sell EA games, they let them earn money with Ea's intellectual poperty? It's moronic. If I own Ibrahimovic (or Mass Effect 3), I would never let him play for another team (Steam), knowing that they're going to win the champions league thanks to him. 

How is steam making money with EA's IP any different then any other game store selling games? Its how this world works.
EA used to publish a lot of games that were not sticktly theirs.

Modifié par Alpha Bootis, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:24 .

[Moondoggie]

Coreniro wrote...


Wanting a slice of the cake isn't illegal. If I were as big as a publisher as them, I'd make my games exclusives too. Do you understand that, by letting steam sell EA games, they let them earn money with Ea's intellectual poperty? It's moronic. If I own Ibrahimovic (or Mass Effect 3), I would never let him play for another team (Steam), knowing that they're going to win the champions league thanks to him. 

Unfortunately there are a lot of people who cannot understand a decision that does not benefit them and is not what they want to happen. This day and age has made us a society of "me first or i'll sue you" where everyone treats business as demonic and evil when they make decisions to ensure the future prosperity of the company and those employed within it that do the hard work so those customers can enjoy games.

[FrankMoore]

Of course they already knew this. They knew this in 2011 already. They also knew that lots of gamers would go on a rampage if they heard this. I actually send a cancellation email to the store where i pre-order me3. But, if i post that proof here, this thead will be locked instantly i take it.

[Incognito JC]

Moondoggie wrote...

And when have you ever stood up to your employer when they do something you don't agree with when dealing with a customer?

Standing up and scream at your employer at a disagreement is not the same as proposing a suggestion to their employer with a chance of benefitting them. Think a little further next time please.

[Pixieking]

Coreniro wrote...

Wanting a slice of the cake isn't illegal.

No, it's not. But we the consumer (or at least those of us here protesting) don't want it.

Coreniro wrote...
If I were as big as a publisher as them, I'd make my games exclusives too. Do you understand that, by letting steam sell EA games, they let them earn money with Ea's intellectual poperty? It's moronic.

You do realise this is how publishing games works, right? Games are developed (sometimes in-house, sometimes by thrid parties), and then published by different people, on different platforms.

To show you an example

http://store.origin....490200/sac.true

Bastion. Developed by SuperGiant Games. Published by Warners. Available on Origin, Steam, and other places.

[Moondoggie]

Alpha Bootis wrote...


How is steam making money with EA's IP any different then any other game store selling games? 

Because Steam want a cut of everything not just game sales but sales of any future DLC or expansions too. A store doesn't ask for that.

[Mitchumas]

I'm not the best at speaking german but I'm pretty sure the screenshot in this like shows that this is the files/folders being accessed by Origin and I'm pretty sure they are not related to Origin... This of off the BF3 forums...

http://s1.directuplo...glehhsj_jpg.htm

[Daeel]

Moondoggie wrote...

Alpha Bootis wrote...


How is steam making money with EA's IP any different then any other game store selling games? 

Because Steam want a cut of everything not just game sales but sales of any future DLC or expansions too. A store doesn't ask for that.

If Steam is handling the distrubtion and marketing it makes sense that they get a cut. I've seen how much they want, it's no larger than any retail store out there.

[Pixieking]

Moondoggie wrote...

Alpha Bootis wrote...


How is steam making money with EA's IP any different then any other game store selling games? 

Because Steam want a cut of everything not just game sales but sales of any future DLC or expansions too. A store doesn't ask for that.

Doesn't? Why not?

DLC is like a game. In some cases, it's directly removed from the game, to speed up release, and then sold on later. (Deus Ex: HR's Missing Link DLC is a good example of this). There is no actual difference between DLC and a game, except for the content, and the requirement of a base-game to play it.

[Dansayshi]

Moondoggie wrote...

Alpha Bootis wrote...


How is steam making money with EA's IP any different then any other game store selling games? 

Because Steam want a cut of everything not just game sales but sales of any future DLC or expansions too. A store doesn't ask for that.

Stores do for DLC / expansions if its in disc form. So does microsoft and sony.

[Pixieking]

Daeel wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

Alpha Bootis wrote...


How is steam making money with EA's IP any different then any other game store selling games? 

Because Steam want a cut of everything not just game sales but sales of any future DLC or expansions too. A store doesn't ask for that.

If Steam is handling the distrubtion and marketing it makes sense that they get a cut. I've seen how much they want, it's no larger than any retail store out there.

And in fact usually it's less than retail.

[Alpha Bootis]

Moondoggie wrote...

Alpha Bootis wrote...


How is steam making money with EA's IP any different then any other game store selling games? 

Because Steam want a cut of everything not just game sales but sales of any future DLC or expansions too. A store doesn't ask for that.

Anything that is sold in game stores also has cuts going to that game store.
DLC's are something that should be banned anyway. A game should be complete as sold. DLC is a very nifty way of making more money with minimal effort, DLC is something i rarely spend money on with the sole exception of the Fallout franchise.

Modifié par Alpha Bootis, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:30 .

[Moondoggie]

Incognito JC wrote...

Standing up and scream at your employer at a disagreement is not the same as proposing a suggestion to their employer with a chance of benefitting them. Think a little further next time please.

When did i suggest "screaming"? i asked you a simple question which you avoided because you know the answer makes you a hypocrite.

And again i state who says Bioware employees agree with your opinions? Or that they feel the need to make suggestions to those running Origin based on a bunch of paranoid customers.

And do avoid attempts at patronisation just because you don't agree with somebody doesn't mean you have a right to attempt putting down their arguments by attacking them personally.

[casadechrisso]

Moondoggie wrote...

Alpha Bootis wrote...


How is steam making money with EA's IP any different then any other game store selling games? 

Because Steam want a cut of everything not just game sales but sales of any future DLC or expansions too. A store doesn't ask for that.

An expansion at a store will cost EA a piece of the cake too. And Steam does to the best of my knowledge still get a much smaller cut than a retail store would. I think Emoking had some numbers. To me, the Steam ToS sounded rather fair, but since nobody knows exactly over what details EA and Valve are fighting, all this is pure speculation.


Edit: And look who ninja'd me already because I'm such a slow typer

Modifié par casadechrisso, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:34 .

[Coreniro]

[/quote]

How is steam making money with EA's IP any different then any other game store selling games? Its how this world works.
EA used to publish a lot of games that were not sticktly theirs.

[/quote]

you're right, It's not different, but making something potentially good an exclusive is a way to let people in your store, or buy your product. PS3 has Uncharted and Gran Turismo. XBOX has GOW and Halo. 

[Freddo]

Nothing that stops me from buying the game, but it's unfortunate that games these days require extra software to run. Steam, Origin and so on, they are all the same bad ****. There should be more services like GOG

Modifié par Kazutoyo, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:32 .

[Pixieking]

casadechrisso wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

Alpha Bootis wrote...


How is steam making money with EA's IP any different then any other game store selling games? 

Because Steam want a cut of everything not just game sales but sales of any future DLC or expansions too. A store doesn't ask for that.

An expansion at a store will cost EA a piece of the cake too. And Steam does to the best of my knowledge still get a much smaller cut than a retail store would. I think Emoking had some numbers. To me, the Steam ToS sounded rather fair, but since nobody knows exactly over what details EA and Valve are fighting, all this is pure speculation.

Yup.

"Sales figures for Steam have not been released by Valve. However, Stardock, the previous owner of competing platform Impulse, estimated that, as of 2009, Steam had a 70% share of the digital distribution market for video games.[7] In early 2011, Forbes
reported that Steam sales constituted 50 to 70% of the $4 billion
market for downloaded PC games and that Steam offered game producers gross margins of 70% of purchase price, compared with 30% at retail.[69]"

( http://en.wikipedia....hare_and_impact )

[Ryzaki]

Dansayshi wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

Alpha Bootis wrote...


How is steam making money with EA's IP any different then any other game store selling games? 

Because Steam want a cut of everything not just game sales but sales of any future DLC or expansions too. A store doesn't ask for that.

Stores do for DLC / expansions if its in disc form. So does microsoft and sony.

This. Thinking Steam is unique in this shows a ignorance of how the world works.

EA always has to give several people cuts, always. Unless they develop their own brick and mortar stores, distrubtion centers and processing plants they will always have to pay for someone else to distrubute and sell their products.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:33 .

[Moondoggie]

Alpha Bootis wrote...

Anything that is sold in game stores also has cuts going to that game store.
DLC's are something that should be banned anyway. A game should be complete as sold. DLC is a very nifty way of making more money with minimal effort, DLC is something i rarely spend money on with the sole exception of the Fallout franchise.

Your personal opinion of DLC is neither here nor there really is it. The point i am making is when a company like Valve is demanding a cut in everything you create to do with a game they are selling there is a problem. EA decided they won't sell extras through Steam and Valve got angry because they are missing out on their cut which is why they make these insane demands in the first place.