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[Candidate 88766]

MarauderESP wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Zannana wrote...

Vendrium wrote...

Well guys we have several options - we can:

A) Keep discussing it here and hope EA actually reads 200+ pages
Create a petition
C) Not buy the game in protest
D) Rate the game extremely low on Metacritic
E) Write EA CEO John Riccitiello an e-mail (jriccitiello@ea.com)

I choose A,C and D. And if there is a will, I can also participate in B.
Also, we have started a group, as seen by my signature

I choose A, and C, and will certainly put my name to B if it existed.

And, when I have had food, I might also do E.

NO FOOD FOR U TILL E IS DONE U MAGOT..........

i ll go with A, B, C, i dont trust in metawhatever

B is the only option that will do anything.

EA is never going to read this thread. Not buying the game will do nothing to a company that made $1 billion last year from digital sales alone. And review-bombing Metacritic is meaningless.

A petition is the best way. Why? Because there are tens of thousands of gamers out there that would oppose Origin but don't want to miss out on games to do so. I, like many console gamers I know, don't like the idea of Origin. It doesn't affect us, so we aren't going to miss out on ME3, but we'd sign a petition in a flash. 

[shepskisaac]

OK, so about the petition. We could create it on petitionbureau.org This is the website Dark Souls fans recently used to create petition to Nintento to create PC version of Dark Souls and it was a success, Nintendo took notice: www.computerandvideogames.com/332166/namco-responds-to-dark-souls-pc-petition/ It's easy, it can be signed from Facebook as well.

Here's how Dark Souls petition looked like: petitionbureau.org/DarkSoulsForPC

Our should be just as well written, with good arguments (no fanboy stuff like "We don't want Origin because it suckz the end!")

Modifié par IsaacShep, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:15 .

[SirLysander]

Vieuxcruex wrote...

Chris, why do you people do this to us. Its bad enough that I must constantly be online to play my DA ultimate edition. Otherwise your shoddy server check won't let me play my saved games. Its bad enough that I am forced to DISCONNECT my internet to play Mercenaries Two, because once again Ea's servers have been shut down and it practically BRICKS my xbox until I get up and yank the power cord out.

Now, when I finally get a computer thats actually good enough to get most of your back catalogue for a third time, you've decided that I must install a hardware inefficient piece of crippleware, that decides it has the right to scan my files and computer without my permission. Excellent choice old chap, another game I shall buy second hand.

Odd - I JUST NOW, after seeing your post, turned on my XBox, put in the Merc 2 disc, and ... connection to servers successful.

Game loaded just fine - and I just popped the achievement for ticking off all the factions.  I've heard about the servers being shut down, but haven't actually SEEN anything like that.

[Alex_SM]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

That says far more about the government than the companies.

Also, a company like EA is far too small to do something like that. Pharaceutical, tobacco and oil companies are giants compared to a videogame publisher.

Tells a lot about both sides. Just trying to twist laws for their benefit outside the democractic paths tells a lot about how much they respect people. 

Is true that EA is not a lobby itself, but it's part of it (maybe the one pushing SOPA?), and has always treated its customers with the same respect as all other corporations/lobbies: zero respect. 

[Pixieking]

IsaacShep wrote...

OK, so about the petition. We could create it on petitionbureau.org This is the website Dark Souls fans recently used to create petition to Nintento to create PC version of Dark Souls and it was a success, Nintendo took notice: www.computerandvideogames.com/332166/namco-responds-to-dark-souls-pc-petition/ It's easy, it can be signed from Facebook as well.

Plan!

Do we need to discuss how to phrase it? There was a post a page or 2 back that had working petition sentence, but I'm eating my food one handed, so can't find it right now.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Moondoggie wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

chance52 wrote...

Sorry but 'no' they will do it again. 

Otherwise what was the point of all the deleted references to sandboxing the program over the last few months?  Notice I wrote 'deleted' not 'locked' because in a locked thread people would still be able to read about a legal option to protect ourselves from the very thing EA now claims not to do... you know until time passes and they start up again.

I dare not claim that they will, just a posibility. Otherwise, some people would say we have extreme paranoia because we wouldn't touch a boiling kettle after we got burned.

And yet you probably use Facebook and many other programs freely that have been found passing your details to third parties yet as of yet no proof exists to say anything scanned by Origin beyond game information it finds is stored anywhere on it's servers or that anyone can access any information that identifies you personally from information collected.

This isn't a boiling kettle this is the monkey that died after eating a few berries  from a heart attack and all the other monkies assumed it was the berries and refuses to eat those perfectly edible berries they had eaten before again.

I do not use Facebook, and Mark Zuckerberg is one of the world's biggest d-bags.

There are a multitude of screenshots out there showing what Origin is looking at on your hard drive.  The data it sends back to EA is encrypted, so there's no way to know what it's sending, not even the owner of the computer it's on is allowed to see the contents. 

EA and other companies have been hacked before, and they'll be hacked again. We're not even allowed, at least in the US, to see what data the company has stored about us.  Whatever is there, someone will eventually get in and obtain it. 

[Incognito JC]

Moondoggie wrote...

And yet you probably use Facebook and many other programs freely that have been found passing your details to third parties yet as of yet no proof exists to say anything scanned by Origin beyond game information it finds is stored anywhere on it's servers or that anyone can access any information that identifies you personally from information collected.

This isn't a boiling kettle this is the monkey that died after eating a few berries  from a heart attack and all the other monkies assumed it was the berries and refuses to eat those perfectly edible berries they had eaten before again.

And again. I have gone through this argument with Dragoonlord. I do not use Facebook. I am not those people that would post a new photo of myself in the toilet every 5 minutes. All my FB account has is my name, and used to keep in touch with friend and contacts. I do not input my banking information or any other information other than the required email adress on whatever other programs you can think of. Do not assume everyone is the same.

No proof they stored it anywhere, yes, but they did not reassure us as well by evading said issue. Before you bring this point out, even if they claim they will not used stored information, have you heard of the mass hacking news all over the net since the past year?

Cute analogy. Don't make things seem more complicated than it is. It's simply a boiling kettle staring at your face, nothing more. If you want me to play along, these berries rely on animals to pass their seeds on. If these berries do not prove themselves to be perfectly safe, nothing will eat them, and they will die off.

[abaris]

outlaw1109 wrote...

Basically, they don't like that EA has the power to repeat what they have done in the past, regardless of what is currently happening.  They don't trust EA and they believe that we're seeing them play nice while there is public scrutiny.  When the public eye looks away, they're afraid EA will resume mining operations... 
It's understandable in the least, but not my personal position as I argued the point last night. 

Please, don't flame me if it's not 100% to the T accurate.....

Yeah, that's probably the expectation. And in my case, for any company using these kinds of tools, not just EA. They have developed something capable of doing the nasty. They still haven't changed their EULA to the point of excluding data mining. So, yes, I expect them to start again at some point in the future. At least on a regional basis.

And I know a little bit about how this kind of business model works. It's not evil incarnate, but it's based on learning as much as possible about potential customers. Many companies try that by offering applications or browser gimmicks, that do the exact same thing. Data mining.

I'm not comfortable with anything trying to figure me out. I don't need personalised ads or offers. I'm used to look for what I really need and make a conscious decision of buying. And when it comes to games, I want to have them on a disk and potential patches on my hard drive. What's more, I'm absolutely not interested in multiplayer and/or ingame chatting.

So all they offer in return is more than useless on my part. Worse, it's bloatware, running background processes. One or two of them probably don't make that much of a difference. But if this business model is the future, you would be stuck with dozens of them, taking a substential hit on performance on the way.

[Candidate 88766]

IsaacShep wrote...

OK, so about the petition. We could create it on petitionbureau.org This is the website Dark Souls fans recently used to create petition to Nintento to create PC version of Dark Souls and it was a success, Nintendo took notice: www.computerandvideogames.com/332166/namco-responds-to-dark-souls-pc-petition/ It's easy, it can be signed from Facebook as well.

Post it on Reddit and sites like it as well. /r/gaming is probably a good place if you want lots of support.

And make it reasonable - something EA is likely to agree to.

'We want the SP campaign of ME3 to require only online activation, not the installation and agreement of the Origin client'

EA can still require Origin for the MP, but that was always going to be the case. They still get to sell ME3 through Origin, so they don't lose any revenue. So something like this is a good compromise for both parties, and could have a chance of succeeding.

People get to enjoy the majority of ME3 Origin-free.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:20 .

[Zannana]

EA should realise that since some people have lost their trust and dont like Origin, they will not buy the game. Many will play it through legal(renting) and illegal(you all know what I mean) means but EA will not make the same profits as it would have, so I hope they realize it and reconsider. Even those that do install Origin, feeling forced, in order to finish the trilogy may not regard EA favorably ever again and will buy fewer games in the future.

One way or the other, no matter what we say here, the numbers will talk. Sales and reviews will play a pivotal role and there we will find out if Origin was a success or a failure.

Personally, I will continue to voice my opinion against Origin and if that doesn't change I will do my utmost to dissuade everyone I know from buying the game. I will play it, for 2euros/day from my local videoclub in my xbox.

[Unit-Alpha]

Zannana wrote...

chance52 wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

And people like you have been conveniently ignoring evidence and logic that does not prove your claims.

I'd very much love to hear how you heroicly stood up to your employer though that sounds like a rip roaring affair.

Do not use that condescending tone with that ignorant sentence. We do not ignore evidence. If you bothered reading most of the thread, EVIDENCE, has showed that Origin did scan all over our PC with unknown intentions. Origin, does not do it NOW. All the test shows is that it may be safe to use now, but they did it before, they might do it again.

Sorry but 'no' they will do it again. 

Otherwise what was the point of all the deleted references to sandboxing the program over the last few months?  Notice I wrote 'deleted' not 'locked' because in a locked thread people would still be able to read about a legal option to protect ourselves from the very thing EA now claims not to do... you know until time passes and they start up again.

I am still curious to know why we can play the game off-line while Origin is inactive but we cant (apparently) uninstall it after first authentication.Strange? I find it so.

It's because it's not inactive, that's just the claim. If it truely were, then we could uninstall it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

OK, so about the petition. We could create it on petitionbureau.org This is the website Dark Souls fans recently used to create petition to Nintento to create PC version of Dark Souls and it was a success, Nintendo took notice: www.computerandvideogames.com/332166/namco-responds-to-dark-souls-pc-petition/ It's easy, it can be signed from Facebook as well.

Post it on Reddit and sites like it as well. /r/gaming is probably a good place if you want lots of support.

And make it reasonable - something EA is likely to agree to.

'We want the SP campaign of ME3 to require only online activation, not the installation and agreement of the Origin client'

EA can still require Origin for the MP, but that was always going to be the case. They still get to sell ME3 through Origin, so they don't lose any revenue. So something like this is a good compromise for both parties, and could have a chance of succeeding.

And that's all I want -- to be able to buy and play a retail copy of ME3, in single player, without installing Origin at all. 

[Zannana]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

MarauderESP wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Zannana wrote...

Vendrium wrote...

Well guys we have several options - we can:

A) Keep discussing it here and hope EA actually reads 200+ pages
Create a petition
C) Not buy the game in protest
D) Rate the game extremely low on Metacritic
E) Write EA CEO John Riccitiello an e-mail (jriccitiello@ea.com)

I choose A,C and D. And if there is a will, I can also participate in B.
Also, we have started a group, as seen by my signature

I choose A, and C, and will certainly put my name to B if it existed.

And, when I have had food, I might also do E.

NO FOOD FOR U TILL E IS DONE U MAGOT..........

i ll go with A, B, C, i dont trust in metawhatever

B is the only option that will do anything.

EA is never going to read this thread. Not buying the game will do nothing to a company that made $1 billion last year from digital sales alone. And review-bombing Metacritic is meaningless.

A petition is the best way. Why? Because there are tens of thousands of gamers out there that would oppose Origin but don't want to miss out on games to do so. I, like many console gamers I know, don't like the idea of Origin. It doesn't affect us, so we aren't going to miss out on ME3, but we'd sign a petition in a flash. 

I am sorry but I dissagree, if enough people do it it will work. But I dont see it happening because it is the end of a trilogy many long to see reach an end and they will compromise to see it, unfortunately.

As for Metacritic, it may not work but Amazon might.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Zannana wrote...

chance52 wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

And people like you have been conveniently ignoring evidence and logic that does not prove your claims.

I'd very much love to hear how you heroicly stood up to your employer though that sounds like a rip roaring affair.

Do not use that condescending tone with that ignorant sentence. We do not ignore evidence. If you bothered reading most of the thread, EVIDENCE, has showed that Origin did scan all over our PC with unknown intentions. Origin, does not do it NOW. All the test shows is that it may be safe to use now, but they did it before, they might do it again.

Sorry but 'no' they will do it again. 

Otherwise what was the point of all the deleted references to sandboxing the program over the last few months?  Notice I wrote 'deleted' not 'locked' because in a locked thread people would still be able to read about a legal option to protect ourselves from the very thing EA now claims not to do... you know until time passes and they start up again.

I am still curious to know why we can play the game off-line while Origin is inactive but we cant (apparently) uninstall it after first authentication.Strange? I find it so.

It's because it's not inactive, that's just the claim. If it truely were, then we could uninstall it.

Anyone who doesn't understand this should start their computer, not manually open any programs, and then use task manager to look at the running processes. 

[Snelle Jaap]

photographerleia wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Amyra wrote...

What I cannot for the love of everything that's sacred understand is why I need their platform to ACCESS the game.
That's just intrusive, unnesesary and annoying. 
If I buy a physical copy of the game I shouldn't have to deal with that....

Quoted For Truth! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

Agreed, This, after all, is the heart of the matter.

+1

I so agree with that.

[Dovahzaan]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Post it on Reddit and sites like it as well. /r/gaming is probably a good place if you want lots of support.

I'd even say, it's the best place to post it.

Modifié par Dovahzaan, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:24 .

[Mr-Ludluck]

I'm a little confused. Is Origin only required to authorize the game during installation, or every time I boot up the game? Could I, say, install and authorize the game on one computer and then move the game over to mine?

[Zannana]

Mr-Ludluck wrote...

I'm a little confused. Is Origin only required to authorize the game during installation, or every time I boot up the game? Could I, say, install and authorize the game on one computer and then move the game over to mine?

Instaling the game and Origin are inseperable, for one to exist so must the other.

[Incognito JC]

Mr-Ludluck wrote...

I'm a little confused. Is Origin only required to authorize the game during installation, or every time I boot up the game? Could I, say, install and authorize the game on one computer and then move the game over to mine?

Honestly, minus ALL assumptions, we do not know. Many are wondering the same thing.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Mr-Ludluck wrote...

I'm a little confused. Is Origin only required to authorize the game during installation, or every time I boot up the game? Could I, say, install and authorize the game on one computer and then move the game over to mine?

As far as we know the one time activation , and after that it can remain off and maybe be uninstalled.

[Candidate 88766]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

OK, so about the petition. We could create it on petitionbureau.org This is the website Dark Souls fans recently used to create petition to Nintento to create PC version of Dark Souls and it was a success, Nintendo took notice: www.computerandvideogames.com/332166/namco-responds-to-dark-souls-pc-petition/ It's easy, it can be signed from Facebook as well.

Post it on Reddit and sites like it as well. /r/gaming is probably a good place if you want lots of support.

And make it reasonable - something EA is likely to agree to.

'We want the SP campaign of ME3 to require only online activation, not the installation and agreement of the Origin client'

EA can still require Origin for the MP, but that was always going to be the case. They still get to sell ME3 through Origin, so they don't lose any revenue. So something like this is a good compromise for both parties, and could have a chance of succeeding.

And that's all I want -- to be able to buy and play a retail copy of ME3, in single player, without installing Origin at all. 

I imagine most people would agree to this, and there isn't that much of a downside to EA so there is slim chance that, if you can get thousands of signatures before release, it could work.

Post it to Reddit, Facebook and Twitter and you may get enough.

Ask for much more than that though and chances are it wouldn't even be considered.

You could make it even more enticing to EA:

'I will buy a copy of Mass Effect 3 if the single-player campaign only requires online activation, not the installation or agreement to the Origin client'

You get 20 or 30 thousand signatures and it might even work.

[stonbw1]

As an XBOX player, I can only sympathize with you PC users. But that brings up a scary question: if an internet connection is required for PC users, they wouldn't require the same for console users, would they? That would mean I couldn't play ME3 since I don't have internet availability.

[Vendrium]

The problem is the way Origin took off in the media - I don't trust it on my computer AT ALL. Even to install a game and then uninstall Origin. I'm paranoid it leaves traces.

[ttchip]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Mr-Ludluck wrote...

I'm a little confused. Is Origin only required to authorize the game during installation, or every time I boot up the game? Could I, say, install and authorize the game on one computer and then move the game over to mine?

As far as we know the one time activation , and after that it can remain off and maybe be uninstalled.

this is something i do not expect to happen. other than that? seems reasonable.

Modifié par ttchip, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:28 .

[Dovahzaan]

stonbw1 wrote...

As an XBOX player, I can only sympathize with you PC users. But that brings up a scary question: if an internet connection is required for PC users, they wouldn't require the same for console users, would they? That would mean I couldn't play ME3 since I don't have internet availability.

They can't.