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[Incognito JC]

stonbw1 wrote...

As an XBOX player, I can only sympathize with you PC users. But that brings up a scary question: if an internet connection is required for PC users, they wouldn't require the same for console users, would they? That would mean I couldn't play ME3 since I don't have internet availability.

Can't say for sure, but as far as the trend on consoles go, we might need an online pass to play MP. Shouldn't be a problem for SP.

[wolfsite]

Mr-Ludluck wrote...

I'm a little confused. Is Origin only required to authorize the game during installation, or every time I boot up the game? Could I, say, install and authorize the game on one computer and then move the game over to mine?

It's just like Steam.  If you want to play a game you purchased using Steam or Uses SteamWorks as the DRM you need Steam running to play the game.

[craigdolphin]

I don't really care if BW employees agree with the angry customers or not.
It doesn't matter if Origin is, or is not /used/ as spyware right now.

What matters is that the /paying customers/ want to have control over their own data, and /they/ do not want to give EA the right to invade their privacy as can be interpreted from the EULA as it currently stands.

They also don't want to purchase a game only to have access to it taken away when they refuse to agree to future changes in the EULA, or if falsely accused of violating EA forum rules without right of appeal to an independent mediator.

This cuts to the heart of whether Bioware really does have 'core values' as a studio, as the 2 doctors always claim in their interviews. They claim humility is a core value. They claim respect for their customers is another.

Really? Prove it. Because so far this decision suggests otherwise.

CP already said he knew that this news would be unwelcome to many of their customers. It is clear then that Bioware knows that their customers do not want to be FORCED to allow Origin to data mine their computer in order to legally play their game. So why do it?

Give your customers a chance to buy and play ME3 without having to agree to a EULA that permits EA to data-mine, or to remove access to our legally purchased games.That's hardly unreasonable.

If Bioware refuses to do just that, then you'll pardon me if I throw up in my mouth a bit every time I hear the doctors bring up Bioware's core values ever again.

To be clear: I do not want to play ME3 on console. I want to play it on my much-more powerful PC. I want to buy it new, not secondhand. But if I can't play it legally on my PC without giving Origin the right to rifle through my sock drawers, then they're not getting what THEY want either: i.e. my money.

[Candidate 88766]

Dovahzaan wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Post it on Reddit and sites like it as well. /r/gaming is probably a good place if you want lots of support.

I'd even say, it's the best place to post it.

Facebook and Twitter as well would be good places.

Post it in every major gaming group on Facebook (like MLG or gaming media pages).

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:28 .

[Candidate 88766]

stonbw1 wrote...

As an XBOX player, I can only sympathize with you PC users. But that brings up a scary question: if an internet connection is required for PC users, they wouldn't require the same for console users, would they? That would mean I couldn't play ME3 since I don't have internet availability.

Nah, we can play it offline.

[Dragoonlordz]

Pupuppu wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

My test found Steam was sending more information than Origin with both running the same time in background for fixed period of time while I am not actually opted into their information sending gathering function.

So you expect that opting out of Steam data collection will disable it's instant messanger aka Steamfriends? Your run tcpview to "analyse" send udp packets? This is all well documented.

Never sent any messages they were both running at same time both doing same things which is being in background not used just running. I have same amount of friends on both and neither client had them online at time.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:33 .

[wolfsite]

Incognito JC wrote...

stonbw1 wrote...

As an XBOX player, I can only sympathize with you PC users. But that brings up a scary question: if an internet connection is required for PC users, they wouldn't require the same for console users, would they? That would mean I couldn't play ME3 since I don't have internet availability.

Can't say for sure, but as far as the trend on consoles go, we might need an online pass to play MP. Shouldn't be a problem for SP.

Not sure, XBox live is a closed system so don't know how it works, but based on a lot of features it does prefer being online at all times.

But on console you probably just need to be online for authentication, Achievements, multi player and such.

[photographerleia]

Emoking wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

OK, so about the petition. We could create it on petitionbureau.org This is the website Dark Souls fans recently used to create petition to Nintento to create PC version of Dark Souls and it was a success, Nintendo took notice: www.computerandvideogames.com/332166/namco-responds-to-dark-souls-pc-petition/ It's easy, it can be signed from Facebook as well.

Plan!

Do we need to discuss how to phrase it? There was a post a page or 2 back that had working petition sentence, but I'm eating my food one handed, so can't find it right now.

In my eyes, the simpler the better.

There was a post about 20 pages back that had a VERY good, simple summary of the issue at hand.  The  main point though was that Origin should be optional for those NOT purchasing from the Origin store.  I think we can all agree on that.

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:31 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

wolfsite wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

stonbw1 wrote...

As an XBOX player, I can only sympathize with you PC users. But that brings up a scary question: if an internet connection is required for PC users, they wouldn't require the same for console users, would they? That would mean I couldn't play ME3 since I don't have internet availability.

Can't say for sure, but as far as the trend on consoles go, we might need an online pass to play MP. Shouldn't be a problem for SP.

Not sure, XBox live is a closed system so don't know how it works, but based on a lot of features it does prefer being online at all times.

But on console you probably just need to be online for authentication, Achievements, multi player and such.

^This , but live has you always connected any way through microsoft service.

[Candidate 88766]

I should add then even if any petition got thousands of signatures, the chance of it changing anything are small.

EA wants Origin to succeed. If they allow one of their AAA games to be played without it could start a trend of petitions for every major game they release.

[shepskisaac]

Emoking wrote...

Plan!

Hmmm, although I'm not sure if their site isn't bugged. I see the Dark Souls petition having correct number of signatures displayed, but all the other petitions have the same 15k number displayed

Alternatively there are other petition sites, like http://www.petitiononline.com/

Emoking wrote...

Do we need to discuss how to phrase it?

Well duh, it should be well pepared

[Candidate 88766]

IsaacShep wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Do we need to discuss how to phrase it?

Well duh, it should be well pepared

Something simple like 'We want the SP campaign of ME3 to require only online activation, not the installation and agreement of the Origin client' is probably best as it doesn't impact EA that much - they can still require it for MP (no petition will change that) and they still sell it however they want, but PC players get to enjoy most of the game Origin-free.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:33 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Adugan wrote...

Not ALL DRM is bad. Steam is one example. It doesnt restrict you besides forcing you to launch Steam every time you want to play MP and in some cases, SP. There is no always-connected-to-servers requirement or a download limit. Steam lets me play with my friends, gives me amazing discounts and backs up my gamesaves.

Steam is more expensive than other digital distribution servioces too. I know this because I always without fail every single time go to buy a game check all of them on their respective sites and on comparrison sites for digital distribution sales.

[Incognito JC]

IsaacShep wrote...

OK, so about the petition. We could create it on petitionbureau.org This is the website Dark Souls fans recently used to create petition to Nintento to create PC version of Dark Souls and it was a success, Nintendo took notice: www.computerandvideogames.com/332166/namco-responds-to-dark-souls-pc-petition/ It's easy, it can be signed from Facebook as well.

Didn't notice this earlier. Not to be a downer, but From Software are one of the few good developers left. For one, they do not believe in DLCs. If you buy their game, it's the complete package. Patches are also constant and they do listen to fans on rebalancing issues on patches. This may work on From, but this is EA we're talking about.

Edit: Then again, I'm not sure if From have any control over Namco's decision to port. Hmm. (Then again it's still EA)

Modifié par Incognito JC, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:36 .

[wolfsite]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

I should add then even if any petition got thousands of signatures, the chance of it changing anything are small.

EA wants Origin to succeed. If they allow one of their AAA games to be played without it could start a trend of petitions for every major game they release.

Ya if you want t petition to work you should do it through regular mail.  People can just take 5 seconds to click yes on an online petition and many feel that the petition is not even read.

However if you flood regular mail services with polite but stern letters showing displeasure of a product or service then they should take more notice of that.

[Complistic]

photographerleia wrote...

Emoking wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

OK, so about the petition. We could create it on petitionbureau.org This is the website Dark Souls fans recently used to create petition to Nintento to create PC version of Dark Souls and it was a success, Nintendo took notice: www.computerandvideogames.com/332166/namco-responds-to-dark-souls-pc-petition/ It's easy, it can be signed from Facebook as well.

Plan!

Do we need to discuss how to phrase it? There was a post a page or 2 back that had working petition sentence, but I'm eating my food one handed, so can't find it right now.

In my eyes, the simpler the better.

There was a post about 20 pages back that had a VERY good, simple summary of the issue at hand.  The  main point though was that Origin should be optional for those NOT purchasing from the Origin store.  I think we can all agree on that.

nothing will come of this but i'd sign it anyways. Just so I can say I tried. It should include a brief summary of why Origin should be optional as well.

Modifié par Complistic, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:36 .

[Alex_SM]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Not ALL DRM is bad. Steam is one example. It doesnt restrict you besides forcing you to launch Steam every time you want to play MP and in some cases, SP. There is no always-connected-to-servers requirement or a download limit. Steam lets me play with my friends, gives me amazing discounts and backs up my gamesaves.

Steam is more expensive than other digital distribution servioces too. I know this because I always without fail every single time go to buy a game check all of them on their respective sites and on comparrison sites for digital distribution sales.

Digital distribuion sites have insane "regular" prices. But sales are good. Steam sales are usually pretty awesome. I think I have never payed the full price of a digital game. 

[Mr-Ludluck]

Thanks for the replys, I was hoping I could install and authorize the game on a friend's computer (he installed Origin for BF3) and then move the game, files and everything, to mine and just play the singleplayer. But if Origin is like Steam and you need the the client to run the games, that could be a bit of a problem. Does anyone here know if that's the case?

[Dragoonlordz]

Alex_SM wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Not ALL DRM is bad. Steam is one example. It doesnt restrict you besides forcing you to launch Steam every time you want to play MP and in some cases, SP. There is no always-connected-to-servers requirement or a download limit. Steam lets me play with my friends, gives me amazing discounts and backs up my gamesaves.

Steam is more expensive than other digital distribution servioces too. I know this because I always without fail every single time go to buy a game check all of them on their respective sites and on comparrison sites for digital distribution sales.

Digital distribuion sites have insane "regular" prices. But sales are good. Steam sales are usually pretty awesome. I think I have never payed the full price of a digital game. 

Maybe I have just been unlucky in every single purchase of games I have bought then because when I said Steam is more expensive on every title I have bought and compared prices vs other DD services they included when Steam was having sales on those games. That is why Steam has only two titles I own registered (because bought for me) all my other titles are registered 50/50 between Gamersgate and D2D because in every single case they were both cheaper than Steam even with Steam sales. But they did vary between those two when one might have been cheaper to buy then the other in each case. 

Here is the site I use on top of checking prices which include D2D, Gamergate and Steam, Origin and very many more.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:45 .

[wolfsite]

Mr-Ludluck wrote...

Thanks for the replys, I was hoping I could install and authorize the game on a friend's computer (he installed Origin for BF3) and then move the game, files and everything, to mine and just play the singleplayer. But if Origin is like Steam and you need the the client to run the games, that could be a bit of a problem. Does anyone here know if that's the case?

I've have both Steam and Origin on my computer and haven't had any issues with either.

[Unit-Alpha]

Mr-Ludluck wrote...

Thanks for the replys, I was hoping I could install and authorize the game on a friend's computer (he installed Origin for BF3) and then move the game, files and everything, to mine and just play the singleplayer. But if Origin is like Steam and you need the the client to run the games, that could be a bit of a problem. Does anyone here know if that's the case?

For now, yes, you need Origin to even run the SP game.

[IndyHu5ker]

so what happens now since I'm a PC player of both previous games, which work fine through STEAM!, what happens to my characters, my saves, why are you making me add yet another program so that I can play ?? I have already ordered the physical collectors edition for the PC, tell me why even manufacture physical copies if I can't use it as a PC user should be able to use, correct me if I'm wrong, but paying the 60 dollars or more for the collectors edition doesn't constitute ownership??

[Dragoonlordz]

IndyHu5ker wrote...

so what happens now since I'm a PC player of both previous games, which work fine through STEAM!, what happens to my characters, my saves, why are you making me add yet another program so that I can play ?? I have already ordered the physical collectors edition for the PC, tell me why even manufacture physical copies if I can't use it as a PC user should be able to use, correct me if I'm wrong, but paying the 60 dollars or more for the collectors edition doesn't constitute ownership??

I think someone said it is fine. Steam backs up your saves but your saves are still also on your HDD. It could just be the case of moving or making a copy of those files and putting in your non steam savegame folder for ME3/Origin.

[Pixieking]

Because I think it might be interesting. The first comment on this article is by me. I only say what I've been saying here, but hey... It's an industry site.

http://www.gamesindu...f-mass-effect-3

(people will have to register to view comments, but registering is free)

[wolfsite]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

IndyHu5ker wrote...

so what happens now since I'm a PC player of both previous games, which work fine through STEAM!, what happens to my characters, my saves, why are you making me add yet another program so that I can play ?? I have already ordered the physical collectors edition for the PC, tell me why even manufacture physical copies if I can't use it as a PC user should be able to use, correct me if I'm wrong, but paying the 60 dollars or more for the collectors edition doesn't constitute ownership??

I think someone said it is fine. Steam backs up your saves but your saves are still also on your HDD. It could just be the case of moving or making a copy of those files and putting in your non steam savegame folder for ME3/Origin.

Actually for importing it should be like in ME2 where you can just select the directory in the settings menu outside of the game.  Well I am guessing since it ain't out yet but it would be something similiar.