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[casadechrisso]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Maybe I have just been unlucky in every single purchase of games I have bought then because when I said Steam is more expensive on every title I have bought and compared prices vs other DD services they included when Steam was having sales on those games. That is why Steam has only two titles I own registered (because bought for me) all my other titles are registered 50/50 between Gamersgate and D2D because in every single case they were both cheaper than Steam even with Steam sales. But they did vary between those two when one might have been cheaper to buy then the other in each case. 

Unlucky then. The sole reason I use Steam is for the cheap deals on holiday sales and daily deals. New Vegas for 4.99 Euros is nothing any other store could beat so far, just as an example, or many indie gamkes like say Limbo for 2.50. I only bought one single full price title on Steam, and even that was in the "normal" pricerange of below 50 Euros on release day (that was Skyrim).

[Zannana]

IndyHu5ker wrote...

so what happens now since I'm a PC player of both previous games, which work fine through STEAM!, what happens to my characters, my saves, why are you making me add yet another program so that I can play ?? I have already ordered the physical collectors edition for the PC, tell me why even manufacture physical copies if I can't use it as a PC user should be able to use, correct me if I'm wrong, but paying the 60 dollars or more for the collectors edition doesn't constitute ownership??

Its not owneship, it is licencing(or smthing like that)

Also, if you have no problems with Origin, you can install it and play the game normaly, your saves are not affected as they are stored in a file in your PC and you can use them normaly to import your characters and all.

If you dont wont Origin, you can join us in protest.

[Pcmag1]

Chris Priestly wrote...

However, I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam. We used to have a good relationship with Steam. The more stores and digital retailers who sell our games, the more customers can buy the games and the money we can make. We are working with digital retailers like Direct2Drive and others so we are not Origin exclusive by any means.

Honestly, I dont give a ... about Steam. I am probably bit old fashioned and wanted to purchase a retail copy N7 collector's. Why does it need Origin? What was wrong with ME2 system, I found that to be good. Or the DA/DA2. Perfect, doesnt require you to install any sort of spyware and still you have to go through activation process.
I want to pay for ME3 hell I am even willing to pay a bit extra to avoid Origin. Please give me this option. 

Oh, btw N7 collector's edition pre-ored cancelled

[Dragoonlordz]

Emoking wrote...

Because I think it might be interesting. The first comment on this article is by me. I only say what I've been saying here, but hey... It's an industry site.

http://www.gamesindu...f-mass-effect-3

(people will have to register to view comments, but registering is free)

Wahhh! Why should I register to view someone on the internet and have the hasle of yet another company storing my details from signing up. 

lol just kidding. 

[Pixieking]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Because I think it might be interesting. The first comment on this article is by me. I only say what I've been saying here, but hey... It's an industry site.

http://www.gamesindu...f-mass-effect-3

(people will have to register to view comments, but registering is free)

Wahhh! Why should I register to view someone on the internet and have the hasle of yet another company storing my details from signing up. 

lol just kidding. 

Hahah... Good point.

Modifié par Emoking, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:49 .

[photographerleia]

Pcmag1 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

However, I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam. We used to have a good relationship with Steam. The more stores and digital retailers who sell our games, the more customers can buy the games and the money we can make. We are working with digital retailers like Direct2Drive and others so we are not Origin exclusive by any means.

Honestly, I dont give a ... about Steam. I am probably bit old fashioned and wanted to purchase a retail copy N7 collector's. Why does it need Origin? What was wrong with ME2 system, I found that to be good. Or the DA/DA2. Perfect, doesnt require you to install any sort of spyware and still you have to go through activation process.
I want to pay for ME3 hell I am even willing to pay a bit extra to avoid Origin. Please give me this option. 

Oh, btw N7 collector's edition pre-ored cancelled

Good on you.  Its been nice to see supporters of retail (w/ no client) come out of the woodwork.

[Incognito JC]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Wahhh! Why should I register to view someone on the internet and have the hasle of yet another company storing my details from signing up. 

lol just kidding. 

Touche, you SOB.


On the side note, rather than increasing my blood pressure on this thread, I will play ME2 and take a long break. The game CD is *still* in my drive.

[Dragoonlordz]

Incognito JC wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Wahhh! Why should I register to view someone on the internet and have the hasle of yet another company storing my details from signing up. 

lol just kidding. 

Touche, you SOB.


On the side note, rather than increasing my blood pressure on this thread, I will play ME2 and take a long break. The game CD is *still* in my drive.

Reminds me I need to do the same. Format of my HDD while back so lost saves (I do own many data recovery suites) so could probably restore it just can't be bothered to do that though and instead replay it for entertainment before ME3 comes out so have file to import.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:00 .

[Mooh Bear]

I was eagerly waiting for the release of ME3 but not anymore. No Steam, no sale. Period. Come on Bioware, what's going on? First DA2 and now that. You've decided to make Bobby Kotick look like a nice guy?

[Harley_Dude]

I support free markets and privacy. The Origin DLC and EULA are antithetical to my beliefs. I will not buy their product. It is just that simple.

[snp20]

Just wanted to say you can stick your "no Steam" thing into your arse EA, one sale less. Day by day BioWare is getting dumber and dumber, EA reason or they just got lazy to make proper games. And now no Steam? Well hf then with Origin anomaly.

[Wardka]

Incognito JC wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Wahhh! Why should I register to view someone on the internet and have the hasle of yet another company storing my details from signing up. 

lol just kidding. 

Touche, you SOB.


On the side note, rather than increasing my blood pressure on this thread, I will play ME2 and take a long break. The game CD is *still* in my drive.

You know, that sounds like a pretty good idea. Are there any fancy mods or graphics upgrades or things I could be installing for ME2?

Also, heh, this thread isn't going anywhere. But will we get any actual answers? I'm thinking no.

[Dragoonlordz]

According to VGC pre-orders went up last week by 90k bringing total retail preorders on their to 800k (USA looked at only for time being) with 8 weeks to go of which only counts retail copies not digital so obviously it is quite likely double or triple that in total. Now given news was on Friday it probably had an impact since did not update till I think it was Sunday (even though the numbers still rose substantially rather than drop, however there was slowdown in increase but it never went negative and reversed the fact more pre-orders are coming in than cancels).

However this week will be the telling week if those of you cancelling are making any major difference to the pre-order rate though you will obviously (imho) not make it go into reverse (drop in number) than is higher increase of pre-orders being made. So this time next week should give more clear results on that front. As for why I am watching it is because general curiosity.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:25 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Wardka wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Wahhh! Why should I register to view someone on the internet and have the hasle of yet another company storing my details from signing up. 

lol just kidding. 

Touche, you SOB.


On the side note, rather than increasing my blood pressure on this thread, I will play ME2 and take a long break. The game CD is *still* in my drive.

You know, that sounds like a pretty good idea. Are there any fancy mods or graphics upgrades or things I could be installing for ME2?

Also, heh, this thread isn't going anywhere. But will we get any actual answers? I'm thinking no.

There are quite a few mods but nothing on scale of Skyrim etc.

[John Riccitiello]

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content. We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

That is another of way of just saying that you guys are just forceing current steam users to start useing origin. How lame. Dont count on my money for this game. I'll find another way to not get in contact with origin. This software is not even allowed in my country. There is a open discussing about the privacy that origin trespasses on you computer and still you make it a must to use it. Typical american way of doing thing. "my way or the high way as they say in hollywood movies"

Pathetic!

[awowo weiwei]

[inappropriate comments removed]

Origin requirement + No Steam = no sale.

And honestly EA, since when is automatically installing DLC restrictive?

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:45 .

[dbrw]

Well I don't see any difference from what EA is doing now with Origin from what Valve always did to their games after launch Steam. Also you can buy the game everywhere but Steam , so no one is being forced to buy it from Origin.

Modifié par dbrw, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:26 .

[John Riccitiello]

However, I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam. We used to have a good relationship with Steam. The more stores and digital retailers who sell our games, the more customers can buy the games and the money we can make. We are working with digital retailers like Direct2Drive and others so we are not Origin exclusive by any means.

so we are to believe that Valve or steam is the company to blame? That is just a straight up lie. I bought numerous game titels from bioware via steam and all of a sudden there is conflict? Right at the moment that origin is release with bf3. What kind of idiot do you think your customer are to give us this nonsense! Why did you forget to mention that even a purchase on Direct2Drive will still force the gamer to install origin. Why always tell half a story? Just because via steam the total profit is a bitt lower compaired to direct sales or these smaller chains, you guys are risking a 5 milloen steam users.

[MaverikCH]

I opened a steam support request for this. excited to get an anwser on their side.

@Chris Priestly
it's really sad to read that valve are being the bad guys in this case. i really ask me why thoes new steam policies forbid you guys to publish games on it? what does valve forbid you guys to do what you wish to do. or what that does it demand what you guys don't agree with?

i mean, if i got i right, you also accepted that mass effect 3 does not need to establish a connection to an bioware/ea/origin whatever server for activation even you actually really would love that to be the case. seems like microsoft, sony or nintendo are companies big enough to let you reconsider alternatives but valve isn't?

Just want to understand.

Thx for Anwser Chris.

Modifié par MaverikCH, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:38 .

[Dragoonlordz]

dbrw wrote...

Well I don't see any difference from what EA is doing now with Origin from what Valve always did to their game after launch Steam. Also you can buy the game everywhere but Steam , so no one is being forced to buy it from Origin.

You are generally correct in that Steam is the only place they are not selling it for many reasons including Steam policy I read dicates the Steam says what price it can sell the game for with also quite unreasonable request from Steam that listed them saying DLC sold through Steam cannot be undercut in price by being sold on Origin as part of the deal.

Then there is the competitor issue with EA wishing to promote Origin if allowing Steam sales and customers for EA's titles instead of using Origin it further pushes the lead Steam has over EA's own client/service. Lastly EA make some of the biggest games out there which do not need extra advertisment through Steam hence why Valve is actually trying to get the titles on their platform more than EA needs to give them it and it will have much bigger impact on Valve than EA in that regard.

Though would change last word you used (highlighted) from Origin to EA.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:33 .

[Pixieking]

dbrw wrote...

Well I don't see any difference from what EA is doing now with Origin from what Valve always did to their games after launch Steam. Also you can buy the game everywhere but Steam , so no one is being forced to buy it from Origin.

No-one is forced to buy it from Origin, but Origin is required to install ME3.

[John Riccitiello]

[inappropriate comments removed]

Origin requirement + No Steam = no sale.

And honestly EA, since when is automatically installing DLC restrictive?

hmmm, i am thinking about this but it would be unfair to bioware. Still I really want to play the game. What a lame dilemma and we didnt even ask for this. [inappropriate comments removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:45 .

[Hamziz Vakarian]

Chris Priestly wrote...

... We are working with digital retailers like Direct2Drive and others so we are not Origin exclusive by any means.

(emphasis mine)

Chris,  while the sale of ME3 is not 'origin exclusive', the requirement that all PC copies of ME3 operate by, through and under Origin makes your statement incredibly disingenuous.  In addition, the likelihood that all DLC will be offered solely through Origin further undermines your statement.  I presume you are diferentiating between Origin as point-of-sale website and origin as software client, which is splitting hairs at BEST.

You're not bald-faced lying, but you're close.

Modifié par Hamziz Vakarian, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:30 .

[StormdriverOne]

No good will come from this.

PC game sales will suffer and piracy will increase.
User reviews will be full of zeros.
Bioware's reputation as a PC developer will continue its slide into the crapper.

With so many PC gamers constantly spewing bile and hatred for everything EA has ever done to PC gaming, why on earth do they keep coming up with even more reasons for legitimate customers to despise them? Sadly, it's dragging Bioware down with them.

Pre-order cancelled.

[Wardka]

MaverikCH wrote...

I opened a steam support request for this. no anwser yet though.
but it's really sad to read that valve are being the bad guys. i really ask me why thoes new steam policies forbid you guys to publish games on it. what does valve forbids you guys to do what you wish to do. or what that does it demand what you guys don't agree with? i mean, if i got i right, you also accepted that mass effect 3 does not need to establish a connection to an bioware/ea/origin whatever server for activation even you actually really would love that to be the case. seems like microsoft, sony or nintendo are companies big enough to let you reconsider alternatives but valve isn't? Thx for Anwser Chris.

Valve aren't being the "bad guys". The only thing Valve requires it that any DLC for the games being sold on Steam is also being sold on Steam, in addition to any other locations it might be sold in. It's partially for them to make a buck, of course, but also so they can actually provide support for it and not have angry customers yelling at them for their games not working because of improperly installed DLC from another retailer.

EA doesn't want to let Steam sell their DLC, because EA's business plan is to make most of their money off digital sales. They want 100% of the DLC profits, which is of course their prerogative. It's just decidedly unfair of them to try to label Valve as the bad guy here, when that's far from the truth.