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[Freddy1990]

I was looking forward to this game... The fact that ME2 DLC's were not available through steam, but rather through the BioWare store was a big letdown for me, but this is just retarded. I won't be buying this unless I can get it off Steam. You just alienated 90% of your PC target audience. Good job.

[Unit-Alpha]

Wardka wrote...

MaverikCH wrote...

I opened a steam support request for this. no anwser yet though.
but it's really sad to read that valve are being the bad guys. i really ask me why thoes new steam policies forbid you guys to publish games on it. what does valve forbids you guys to do what you wish to do. or what that does it demand what you guys don't agree with? i mean, if i got i right, you also accepted that mass effect 3 does not need to establish a connection to an bioware/ea/origin whatever server for activation even you actually really would love that to be the case. seems like microsoft, sony or nintendo are companies big enough to let you reconsider alternatives but valve isn't? Thx for Anwser Chris.

Valve aren't being the "bad guys". The only thing Valve requires it that any DLC for the games being sold on Steam is also being sold on Steam, in addition to any other locations it might be sold in. It's partially for them to make a buck, of course, but also so they can actually provide support for it and not have angry customers yelling at them for their games not working because of improperly installed DLC from another retailer.

EA doesn't want to let Steam sell their DLC, because EA's business plan is to make most of their money off digital sales. They want 100% of the DLC profits, which is of course their prerogative. It's just decidedly unfair of them to try to label Valve as the bad guy here, when that's far from the truth.

It's a PR disaster what they are doing, and Chris is just doing the job all PR guys have to do: blame someone, anyone, else. I actually feel sorry for him, saddled with all the crap EA throws on him to disseminate to the public.

[TBK50]

I will probably be getting it, but as a boxed copy, not on origin even though I'll have to activate it through there. I'm not one of those, "if it's not on steam it's not worth playing!!!!11!", however, most of my pc game are on steam and it's really nice to be able to organize everything on there. Valve being restrictive is complete BS, not a single other company has come up with a complaint as to the store being restrictive except EA, which, surprise, surprise, has their own digital distribution system. At this point though there's no reason not to put something on steam as well, unless you just hate money, which I know isn't true...

[John Riccitiello]

Bioware's reputation as a PC developer will continue its slide into the crapper.

With so many PC gamers constantly spewing bile and hatred for everything EA has ever done to PC gaming, why on earth do they keep coming up with even more reasons for legitimate customers to despise them? Sadly, it's dragging Bioware down with them.

Pre-order cancelled.

EA messed up the publisher Crytek when they release part 2 of Crysis. Crytek used to be a pc developer, but now they are a simple console developer and they made a horrible game compaired to the first one. I hope bioware can stay true to their roots when it comes to the development part of gaming.

[Dragoonlordz]

Wardka wrote...

Valve aren't being the "bad guys". The only thing Valve requires it that any DLC for the games being sold on Steam is also being sold on Steam, in addition to any other locations it might be sold in. It's partially for them to make a buck, of course, but also so they can actually provide support for it and not have angry customers yelling at them for their games not working because of improperly installed DLC from another retailer.

Thats not true. Steam's policy/terms from what other people have linked direct show that Valve have put in clause stating that all DLC provided by EA if sold on Steam cannot be undercut by prices on Origin. Neither are good guys in this they both want the same thing. Money.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:39 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

craigdolphin wrote...

I don't really care if BW employees agree with the angry customers or not.
It doesn't matter if Origin is, or is not /used/ as spyware right now.

What matters is that the /paying customers/ want to have control over their own data, and /they/ do not want to give EA the right to invade their privacy as can be interpreted from the EULA as it currently stands.

They also don't want to purchase a game only to have access to it taken away when they refuse to agree to future changes in the EULA, or if falsely accused of violating EA forum rules without right of appeal to an independent mediator.

This cuts to the heart of whether Bioware really does have 'core values' as a studio, as the 2 doctors always claim in their interviews. They claim humility is a core value. They claim respect for their customers is another.

Really? Prove it. Because so far this decision suggests otherwise.

CP already said he knew that this news would be unwelcome to many of their customers. It is clear then that Bioware knows that their customers do not want to be FORCED to allow Origin to data mine their computer in order to legally play their game. So why do it?

Give your customers a chance to buy and play ME3 without having to agree to a EULA that permits EA to data-mine, or to remove access to our legally purchased games.That's hardly unreasonable.

If Bioware refuses to do just that, then you'll pardon me if I throw up in my mouth a bit every time I hear the doctors bring up Bioware's core values ever again.

To be clear: I do not want to play ME3 on console. I want to play it on my much-more powerful PC. I want to buy it new, not secondhand. But if I can't play it legally on my PC without giving Origin the right to rifle through my sock drawers, then they're not getting what THEY want either: i.e. my money.

Well said sir.

[Unit-Alpha]

John Riccitiello wrote...

Bioware's reputation as a PC developer will continue its slide into the crapper.

With so many PC gamers constantly spewing bile and hatred for everything EA has ever done to PC gaming, why on earth do they keep coming up with even more reasons for legitimate customers to despise them? Sadly, it's dragging Bioware down with them.

Pre-order cancelled.

EA messed up the publisher Crytek when they release part 2 of Crysis. Crytek used to be a pc developer, but now they are a simple console developer and they made a horrible game compaired to the first one. I hope bioware can stay true to their roots when it comes to the development part of gaming.

Sadly, it's a little late for that. Right now EA is using Bioware's good name on 8 (8!) different studios, even though only one (the one that created ME, DA:O, Jade Empire, BG, KOTOR, etc) is the actual studio.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:38 .

[John Riccitiello]

EA doesn't want to let Steam sell their DLC, because EA's business plan is to make most of their money off digital sales. They want 100% of the DLC profits, which is of course their prerogative. It's just decidedly unfair of them to try to label Valve as the bad guy here, when that's far from the truth.

This is also what I believe! Meaning that this Bioware Chris dude is full of it and is telling nothing but lies about the valve conflict. EA probably wanted to chang their agreements, due to fact they wanted origin to be big.

[Pixieking]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

That not true. Steam's policy/terms from what other people have linked direct show that Valve have put in clause stating that all DLC provided by EA if sold on Steam cannot be undercut by prices on Origin.

Errr... Where does it say that? Source please.

Modifié par Emoking, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:39 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Emoking wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

That not true. Steam's policy/terms from what other people have linked direct show that Valve have put in clause stating that all DLC provided by EA if sold on Steam cannot be undercut by prices on Origin.

Errr... Where does it say that? Source please.

Ugh, thats like over 100 (approx) pages ago.. I can't be bothered to re-read through 100+ pages. But the information is here in this very thread if wish to verify it where someone linked both sides of the story aka press releases/policy information.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:42 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Emoking wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

That not true. Steam's policy/terms from what other people have linked direct show that Valve have put in clause stating that all DLC provided by EA if sold on Steam cannot be undercut by prices on Origin.

Errr... Where does it say that? Source please.

I'm pretty sure that's not true at all. Origin's DLC prices would be the same as Steam's, so the "clause" would be void.

Also, Valve *never* releases that kind of info. If someone said that, it was a lie.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:42 .

[Pixieking]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

That not true. Steam's policy/terms from what other people have linked direct show that Valve have put in clause stating that all DLC provided by EA if sold on Steam cannot be undercut by prices on Origin.

Errr... Where does it say that? Source please.

Ugh, thats like over 100 (approx) pages ago.. I can't be bothered to re-read through 100 pages. But the information is here in this very thread if wish to verify it where someone linked both sides of the story aka press releases.

Ah. See, press releases are entirely different to what you implied. I can wave lots of press releases around, but actually none of them are the contract in question. Thus, the "clause" you mention is of questionable validity.

Edit: Non Disclosure Agreements prevent the leaking of such information.

Modifié par Emoking, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:43 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

That not true. Steam's policy/terms from what other people have linked direct show that Valve have put in clause stating that all DLC provided by EA if sold on Steam cannot be undercut by prices on Origin.

Errr... Where does it say that? Source please.

I'm pretty sure that's not true at all. Origin's DLC prices would be the same as Steam's, so the "clause" would be void.

Also, Valve *never* releases that kind of info. If someone said that, it was a lie.

From what I read Origin could charge the same but that they would not be allowed to undercut. Like said the information was linked but we are talking 100+ pages ago or somewhere in between and I really can't be bothered to go through every single post in every single pages all over again. 

[Unit-Alpha]

Emoking wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

That not true. Steam's policy/terms from what other people have linked direct show that Valve have put in clause stating that all DLC provided by EA if sold on Steam cannot be undercut by prices on Origin.

Errr... Where does it say that? Source please.

Ugh, thats like over 100 (approx) pages ago.. I can't be bothered to re-read through 100 pages. But the information is here in this very thread if wish to verify it where someone linked both sides of the story aka press releases.

Ah. See, press releases are entirely different to what you implied. I can wave lots of press releases around, but actually none of them are the contract in question. Thus, the "clause" you mention is of questionable validity.

It's not real, no need to worry about that. Valve won't release sales of game on its platform, much less intimate publisher-platform contract details.

[Pixieking]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

It's not real, no need to worry about that. Valve won't release sales of game on its platform, much less intimate publisher-platform contract details.

Yeah.. It's actually annoying, though, since Valve don't release such information, there's no way to disprove EA's side. Though, with no sarcasm meant, Steam are staying classy in all this.

[dbrw]

Emoking wrote...

dbrw wrote...

Well I don't see any difference from what EA is doing now with Origin from what Valve always did to their games after launch Steam. Also you can buy the game everywhere but Steam , so no one is being forced to buy it from Origin.

No-one is forced to buy it from Origin, but Origin is required to install ME3.

Steam is required to install any Valve/Steamworks game.  I use and like both clients, of course Origin need more features and  remove the regional prices but it's not that bad also the Origin download speed is much better than Steam for me.

[Stanley Woo]

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Thank you.

[Pixieking]

Stanley Woo wrote...

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Thank you.

Haiiiiii... Generally, we're being good, don't worry.

[Dragoonlordz]

Emoking wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

This is a reminder that even in this heated discussion our Site Rules are still in effect. If you wish this thread and this discussion to remain open for you to voice your disagreement, please leave the epithets, threats, name-calling, and insults out of it. Violations of our site rules, discussions of software piracy, bashing of companies, and the ridiculously hyperbolic language serve only to undermine your arguments.

Thank you.

Haiiiiii... Generally, we're being good, don't worry.

Yeh we good right now. We all friendly even if have different views.

[Ottemis]

John Riccitiello wrote...

EA doesn't want to let Steam sell their DLC, because EA's business plan is to make most of their money off digital sales. They want 100% of the DLC profits, which is of course their prerogative. It's just decidedly unfair of them to try to label Valve as the bad guy here, when that's far from the truth.

This is also what I believe! Meaning that this Bioware Chris dude is full of it and is telling nothing but lies about the valve conflict. EA probably wanted to chang their agreements, due to fact they wanted origin to be big.

Yes lies and slander! The.. hell.
Before Valve's change in policy this would have been a possibility, now it's not. Simply put, Valve is 'to blame' when both don't change policy, because Valve changing pocily broke the former agreement existing between EA and Valve in the first place. Chris stated nothing but facts afaik, whose pointing fingers here?

It's a rediculous point of discussion anyways, because steam or no steam, you'd still need to authenticate the game via EA / Origin.

Modifié par Ottemis, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:52 .

[Dragoonlordz]

dbrw wrote...

Emoking wrote...

dbrw wrote...

Well I don't see any difference from what EA is doing now with Origin from what Valve always did to their games after launch Steam. Also you can buy the game everywhere but Steam , so no one is being forced to buy it from Origin.

No-one is forced to buy it from Origin, but Origin is required to install ME3.

Steam is required to install any Valve/Steamworks game.  I use and like both clients, of course Origin need more features and  remove the regional prices but it's not that bad also the Origin download speed is much better than Steam for me.

I agree with that I would like Origin to have more features but I also believe that sort of thing will come over time.

[Balhaar]

but Chris Priestly is still a liar by telling us that ea or bioware is not to blame for the game not ending up on steam. You can delete the post, ban the user, but the truth is out there mr Woo. It not only on this forum, but on numerous games sites already, in and out of the america. And the next publisher who will make origin mandatory will get the same bag of **** over their heads.

[stonbw1]

I agree; the pirating talk needs to stop. Stealing anyone's work that they put hard work into is not cool.

[Pixieking]

stonbw1 wrote...

I agree; the pirating talk needs to stop. Stealing anyone's work that they put hard work into is not cool.

Definitely agree here.

[Unit-Alpha]

Ottemis wrote...

John Riccitiello wrote...

EA doesn't want to let Steam sell their DLC, because EA's business plan is to make most of their money off digital sales. They want 100% of the DLC profits, which is of course their prerogative. It's just decidedly unfair of them to try to label Valve as the bad guy here, when that's far from the truth.

This is also what I believe! Meaning that this Bioware Chris dude is full of it and is telling nothing but lies about the valve conflict. EA probably wanted to chang their agreements, due to fact they wanted origin to be big.

Yes lies and slander! The.. hell.
Before Valve's change in policy this would have been a possibility, now it's not. Simply put, Valve is 'to blame' when both don't change policy, because Valve changing pocily broke the former agreement existing between EA and Valve in the first place. Chris stated nothing but facts afaik, whose pointing fingers here?

It's a rediculous point of discussion anyways, because steam or no steam, you'd still need to authenticate the game via EA / Origin.

He put a PR spin on it, and you believed it. Steam hasn't just gotten greedy and want more money; it has to do with customer service and DLC compatibility. Customers complained to Valve about 3rd party DLC, which messed up their games. Valve, more than likely, decided that DLC purchases had to run through Steam, so compatibility and correct installation were assured. EA, however, wanted 100% of the revenue and rebelled. 

Also, more than 50% of the reason for this is EA has its own client and they just wanted a reason to make its popular games exclusive to the client to jack up the install base.