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[Balhaar]

Yes lies and slander! The.. hell.
Before Valve's change in policy this would have been a possibility, now it's not. Simply put, Valve is 'to blame' when both don't change policy, because Valve changing pocily broke the former agreement existing between EA and Valve in the first place. Chris stated nothing but facts afaik, whose pointing fingers here?

It's a rediculous point of discussion anyways, because steam or no steam, you'd still need to authenticate the game via EA / Origin.

not if you pirate the game. no origin. This is what ea cleary wants some of us to do. They clearly dont want us to buy their games with these types of barriers. I dont believe steam changed anything. EA did this, they got origin out just now

[Travie]

Emoking wrote...

stonbw1 wrote...

I agree; the pirating talk needs to stop. Stealing anyone's work that they put hard work into is not cool.

Definitely agree here.

Lets not even talk about it right now, we don't want another thread locked down.

Believe me, 200 pages in 3 days = they are just looking for a reason.

[Unit-Alpha]

stonbw1 wrote...

I agree; the pirating talk needs to stop. Stealing anyone's work that they put hard work into is not cool.

Absolutely. As much as I hate EA's stance, bystanders in Bioware will get punished when people pirate the game. People who had nothing to do with this.

[Pixieking]

Balhaar wrote...

but Chris Priestly is still a liar by telling us that ea or bioware is not to blame for the game not ending up on steam.

Yes and no. What he's saying is, actually, EA's... misinformation, shall we call it. I'm against EA in this matter 100%, but Chris is saying what he's been told to say by EA. I would no more call him a liar than I would call you a liar. It's disrespectful to say such things when we know it's EA, not Chris, who formed the statement.

Modifié par Emoking, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:58 .

[Ottemis]

Balhaar wrote...

but Chris Priestly is still a liar by telling us that ea or bioware is not to blame for the game not ending up on steam. You can delete the post, ban the user, but the truth is out there mr Woo. It not only on this forum, but on numerous games sites already, in and out of the america. And the next publisher who will make origin mandatory will get the same bag of **** over their heads.

Balhaar wrote...

not if you pirate the game. no origin. This is what ea cleary wants some of us to do. They clearly dont want us to buy their games with these types of barriers. I dont believe steam changed anything. EA did this, they got origin out just now

I'm sorry but you or your arguments don't come across to me as very bright.

Modifié par Ottemis, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:00 .

[Balhaar]

However, I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam. We used to have a good relationship with Steam. The more stores and digital retailers who sell our games, the more customers can buy the games and the money we can make. We are working with digital retailers like Direct2Drive and others so we are not Origin exclusive by any means.

so we are to believe that Valve or steam is the company to blame? That is just a straight up lie. I bought numerous game titels from bioware via steam and all of a sudden there is conflict? Right at the moment that origin is release with bf3. What kind of idiot do you think your customer are to give us this nonsense! Why did you forget to mention that even a purchase on Direct2Drive will still force the gamer to install origin. Why always tell half a story? Just because via steam the total profit is a bitt lower compaired to direct sales or these smaller chains, you guys are risking a 5 milloen steam users.

[Unit-Alpha]

Balhaar wrote...

However, I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam. We used to have a good relationship with Steam. The more stores and digital retailers who sell our games, the more customers can buy the games and the money we can make. We are working with digital retailers like Direct2Drive and others so we are not Origin exclusive by any means.

so we are to believe that Valve or steam is the company to blame? That is just a straight up lie. I bought numerous game titels from bioware via steam and all of a sudden there is conflict? Right at the moment that origin is release with bf3. What kind of idiot do you think your customer are to give us this nonsense! Why did you forget to mention that even a purchase on Direct2Drive will still force the gamer to install origin. Why always tell half a story? Just because via steam the total profit is a bitt lower compaired to direct sales or these smaller chains, you guys are risking a 5 milloen steam users.

Make that 40 million users ;p

[Balhaar]

BAM!!! 40 million even. WOW, was I wrong. that many? Active also?

[Pixieking]

Chris Priestly wrote...

However, I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam. We used to have a good relationship with Steam.

What gets me is the bolded part. EA games are still being released on Steam - Kingdoms of Amalur is getting a release very soon there. So why say "used to have"? Is this with respect to BioWare's games only? Or is this more a general EA feeling, and a disparity between how EA really feel, and the PR?

[Ottemis]

There is no frigging blame, it is what it is. They had an understanding, Valve changed something, now they don't.
End of line as Woo would say.

Modifié par Ottemis, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:02 .

[Candidate 88766]

Emoking wrote...

stonbw1 wrote...

I agree; the pirating talk needs to stop. Stealing anyone's work that they put hard work into is not cool.

Definitely agree here.

Agreed.

[Ryzaki]

Can we stop the piracy talk?

Seriously?

You're on the OFFICAL BIOWARE FORUMS. Have some damn class and courtesy.

[Alien_Fromspace]

Well BioWare .. I refuse to install Origin (really) so there goes any DLC purchase from me. How sad to see your developers not selling their code due to publisher restrictions/obligations.

[Sanguine]

I have a question: I bought my computer from a friend of mine, who had mas effect 1&2 on it. I wanted to play them, but he lost the disks, so I had to use a CD crack. I didn't pirate anything, but I didn't really buy them. with Origin, is EA going to be able to see that, and thus prevent me from playing ME3?

Modifié par Sanguine, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:03 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Balhaar wrote...

BAM!!! 40 million even. WOW, was I wrong. that many? Active also?

5 million users online at a single point in time, and 780 petabytes (1 petabyte equals 1,000 terabytes) of data delivered. That's pretty active.

[Balhaar]

Yes and no. What he's saying is, actually, EA's... misinformation, shall we call it. I'm against EA in this matter 100%, but Chris is saying what he's been told to say by EA. I would no more call him a liar than I would call you a liar. It's disrespectful to say such things when we know it's EA, not Chris, who formed the statement.

so the best decision ea could do, is just tell steam to go to hell, together with all their 40 million users? WOW, what a stupid business move that is. And on the way home these ea business guys probably think of making origin mandatory so the steam users will come to origin. Sure, this is all valve's fault. Please, dont even go there. All EA commercial thinking here!

[Unit-Alpha]

Emoking wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

However, I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam. We used to have a good relationship with Steam.

What gets me is the bolded part. EA games are still being released on Steam - Kingdoms of Amalur is getting a release very soon there. So why say "used to have"? Is this with respect to BioWare's games only? Or is this more a general EA feeling, and a disparity between how EA really feel, and the PR?

It's because it is a new IP (and needs as large an audience as possible) and one that will mainly see a PC fanbase, so they have to expose the truth a bit by doing that.

[Pixieking]

Sanguine wrote...

I have a question: I bought my computer from a friend of mine, who had mas effect 1&2 on it. I wanted to play them, but he lost the disks, so I had to use a CD crack. I didn't pirate anything, but I didn't really buy them. with Origin, is EA going to be able to see that, and thus prevent me from playing ME3?

Nothing bad should happen. ME3 will access saved games and that's about it.

[ironman001]

Stanley Woo wrote...

This is a reminder that even in this heated discussion our Site Rules are still in effect. If you wish this thread and this discussion to remain open for you to voice your disagreement, please leave the epithets, threats, name-calling, and insults out of it. Violations of our site rules, discussions of software piracy, bashing of companies, and the ridiculously hyperbolic language serve only to undermine your arguments.

Thank you.

I was waiting to this kind of post from someone of EA division Bioware when they will want to shut this topic because the people dont agree with them, this just pathetic bravo.
PS. This Topic will be closed in less then 48 h because they all always rigth and the customers are not important only money so if you want to ME 3 to not need the Origin then cancel the preorder and show them that we dont want to treated like customers not some pirates and thiefs.

[Sanguine]

Emoking wrote...

Sanguine wrote...

I have a question: I bought my computer from a friend of mine, who had mas effect 1&2 on it. I wanted to play them, but he lost the disks, so I had to use a CD crack. I didn't pirate anything, but I didn't really buy them. with Origin, is EA going to be able to see that, and thus prevent me from playing ME3?

Nothing bad should happen. ME3 will access saved games and that's about it.

okay, thank you!

[ttchip]

is this discussion still going in circles?

[Dragoonlordz]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Balhaar wrote...

However, I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam. We used to have a good relationship with Steam. The more stores and digital retailers who sell our games, the more customers can buy the games and the money we can make. We are working with digital retailers like Direct2Drive and others so we are not Origin exclusive by any means.

so we are to believe that Valve or steam is the company to blame? That is just a straight up lie. I bought numerous game titels from bioware via steam and all of a sudden there is conflict? Right at the moment that origin is release with bf3. What kind of idiot do you think your customer are to give us this nonsense! Why did you forget to mention that even a purchase on Direct2Drive will still force the gamer to install origin. Why always tell half a story? Just because via steam the total profit is a bitt lower compaired to direct sales or these smaller chains, you guys are risking a 5 milloen steam users.

Make that 40 million users ;p

30 million, says so on Steam itself. Which ironically is around same amount of EA customers (not to be confused with Origin customers). In the end whether believe Valve or whether believe EA at the end of the day Valve did not pay millions to develop those games, they are EA games and EA paid to develop them which means they get to pick where they sell them. Would it be nice if sold everywhere that everyone want's sure, but we did not pay for ME3 to be developed EA did. When you pay for ME2 you got the product you actually paid for aka ME2. We the customer did not pay for the development of ME3, we paid for the development of the game we just bought namely ME2. 

[Candidate 88766]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

However, I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam. We used to have a good relationship with Steam.

What gets me is the bolded part. EA games are still being released on Steam - Kingdoms of Amalur is getting a release very soon there. So why say "used to have"? Is this with respect to BioWare's games only? Or is this more a general EA feeling, and a disparity between how EA really feel, and the PR?

It's because it is a new IP (and needs as large an audience as possible) and one that will mainly see a PC fanbase, so they have to expose the truth a bit by doing that.

And it won't need to be supported as much with DLC and patches as games like ME3 and BF3 will, as those games have MP so even the smallest glitches - which might be fine in a SP game - will need to be patched. As I understand it, DLC and patches are where EA and Valve have disagreements.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:06 .

[Pixieking]

Balhaar wrote...

Yes and no. What he's saying is, actually, EA's... misinformation, shall we call it. I'm against EA in this matter 100%, but Chris is saying what he's been told to say by EA. I would no more call him a liar than I would call you a liar. It's disrespectful to say such things when we know it's EA, not Chris, who formed the statement.

so the best decision ea could do, is just tell steam to go to hell, together with all their 40 million users? WOW, what a stupid business move that is. And on the way home these ea business guys probably think of making origin mandatory so the steam users will come to origin. Sure, this is all valve's fault. Please, dont even go there. All EA commercial thinking here!

OMG.

I'm not "pro-EA". I'm "anti being nasty to people who don't deserve it". Remember kids, give respect to get respect.

Plus, I totally don't believe it's Valve's fault, so, yeah.

[Ottemis]

Balhaar wrote...

Yes and no. What he's saying is, actually, EA's... misinformation, shall we call it. I'm against EA in this matter 100%, but Chris is saying what he's been told to say by EA. I would no more call him a liar than I would call you a liar. It's disrespectful to say such things when we know it's EA, not Chris, who formed the statement.

so the best decision ea could do, is just tell steam to go to hell, together with all their 40 million users? WOW, what a stupid business move that is. And on the way home these ea business guys probably think of making origin mandatory so the steam users will come to origin. Sure, this is all valve's fault. Please, dont even go there. All EA commercial thinking here!

Let's rephrase yeah?

So the best decision Valve could do, is just tell EA to go to hell, together with all their ME fans? WOW, what a stupid
business move that is. Sure, this is all EA's fault. Please, dont even go there.

Just making a point.

Modifié par Ottemis, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:07 .