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[johnhughthomas]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Are you wanting ME3 to fail?

No one said that.  Don't flame-bait, please.  We've done a pretty good job sticking w/ the main topic here, Origin and ME3. 

Apologies if my post led to that, I was simply pointing out there are reasons other than Origin that ME3 may review badly.

[VlVlsectVl]

johnhughthomas wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Ugh I think I'm more upset over the fact that ME3 will get review-bombed simply because of Origins and nothing else. It's a pity that the Mass Effect team will end this with a massive backlash from gamers.

Uh just screw you EA. The team really deserves better.

Hmm, it's not as if Bioware have had a recent example of ruining an IP with a substandard rushed sequel. Oh, wait...

I don't want to derail but this thread should solidify the fact that DA3 will require Origin as well.

[Darthsam]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Darthsam wrote...

Wardka wrote...

Guess I won't be seeing the end of Shepard's adventures after all.

Thanks for the update, guys. I won't be installing Origin on my system, so you lost yourselves a sale.

Edit: Thinking about it, perhaps not just a sale. If this is the way it's going to be going forward - with the last part of a trilogy having a requirement to sell my personal privacy and computer security - I will be thinking long and hard about buying any EA/BioWare games at all, which makes me sad.

Duede its ok, seeing how much Origin is sucking now and how good Steam is doing now(last Holiday Special on Steam? that was bananas), and seeing how even great Microsoft's GFWL is failling against Steamworks, i say in 2 years Origin is goona kick the bucket and then all the games missing will be on Steam, eventually.

Thats a pretty expensive bucket by the way. EA invested heavily in it.

Im not expecting it happening any time soon, but i believe it will happen, Valve is found and run by gamers and developpers, EA is run by pure businessmen and capitalists, on this foundation Steam will ALWAYS better and friendlier than Origin, sadly for EA they cant change that, not without some miracale.
 What im doing now is everytime i HAVE to deal with Origin, i then double it on Steam, like ME3, i spent 80 bucks on it, so i bought 160$ worth of games on Steam during last Holiday Sale, suck it, suck it hard, Bioware.

[Savber100]

GirlPower23 wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...


Are you wanting ME3 to fail?

Considering ME2 was pretty mediocre compared to it's predecessor and DAII was an abomination comapred to DAO.. I could careless what happens to it. I'd like to see BioWare bankrupt and EA Games sell them off so they can be free of EA Games and go back to do what they do best. Make awesome RPGs... 

Bioware bankrupted=Worthless

The studio will just close down if Bioware goes down just like Westwood. 

Worse it will be twisted into something else entirely just as the remains of Westwood was dispersed across EA (and the game industry). 

Edit: Sorry back on topic. Origins suck. 

Modifié par Savber100, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:44 .

[didymos1120]

GirlPower23 wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...


Are you wanting ME3 to fail?

Considering ME2 was pretty mediocre compared to it's predecessor and DAII was an abomination comapred to DAO.. I could careless what happens to it. I'd like to see BioWare bankrupt and EA Games sell them off so they can be free of EA Games and go back to do what they do best. Make awesome RPGs... 

a. It's nice that you want a bunch of people to lose their jobs, which is what bankruptcy would entail.
b. Bioware is part of EA.  They can't independently declare bankruptcy.
c. Couldn't care less.

Modifié par didymos1120, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:46 .

[Rockworm503]

Luvinn wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I love being a console gamer.

Right now I really must concur.

First time I can say this, but I am actually becoming jealous of console gamers.i can't help but feel the industry wants too make PC gaming as much a pain in the ass as they can so that people will just buy consoles instead. Easier to control everything that way.

I thought about this but they'd still get your money for the game which still validates Origin.  I could get this on PS3 if I really wanted to but I have my ME and 2 saves on PC and I really prefer continuing MY shepard.  Only way I'd buy this is if Origin is changed to be less "screw over the player" like or just simply goes away I cannot in good concious buy this or any other EA product.
 It sadens me because Bioware deserves my money for ME3 but alas EA does not.
I guess at this point there is no difference.

[Darthsam]

GirlPower23 wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...


Are you wanting ME3 to fail?

Considering ME2 was pretty mediocre compared to it's predecessor and DAII was an abomination comapred to DAO.. I could careless what happens to it. I'd like to see BioWare bankrupt and EA Games sell them off so they can be free of EA Games and go back to do what they do best. Make awesome RPGs... 

I think the main reason ME3 is such underhyped now is because the DA2 flop, how the hell did Bioware screwup that bad is really beyond me, i can understand Jade Empire being crappy cuz they wanna try new stuff, but when DAO already established such a good foudation.........

[Captain_Obvious_au]

Atemeus wrote...

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Translation:

"Steam at times offers discounted PC DLC for its customers. We don't want to allow PC gamers to have access to discounted DLC ever, as you can see with Mass Effect 2."

It's not about discounts, Origin's store just did a huge 40% sale thing too, just like Steam does from time to time. The idea is that they want all of the profit for themselves, and not to split it 70/30 with Valve. Then again, you have to value the kind of service that Valve is providing to you if you distribute through them, and the fact that in-store retailers split the profits more along the lines of 30/70 (which makes Valve and Steam's deal look a lot fairer.)

Still, it's EA's own greedy perogative if they want all of the money for their games for themselves.

Well here in Australia they just did a 50% off sale - EXCLUDING Bioware Points. So even with the sale on the Origin store, you STILL can't get PC DLC on sale, ever. Bioware doesn't care, EA doesn't care. Now we have this load of male bovine waste product about 'oh Steam is restrictive which we don't like, but we'll still scan your computer for things not related to us'.

Chris Priestly wrote...

As I originally posted, please take your complaints that Mass Effect 3 is not available on Steam, to Steam.

Why should we? Steam aren't saying that they don't want EA games, EA are saying they don't want to play by the rules that EVERYONE else follows. Sorry Chris, but I've had nothing but positive experiences with Steam. Easy to use, offering great sales even on DLC - the complete opposite of Bioware/EA - and on the other side we have a company that lies to us (ie 'Epic Community Event', "oh sorry, we'll have events for non-US citizens!") plus the whole Origin issue. As a consumer, who's side do you think I'm going to come down on?

I'll also note that whilst I am not supporting or encouraging software piracy in any way, the sort of attitude displayed by EA and its affiliates will only encourage that sort of behaviour as you anger the fan base.

Chris Priestly wrote...
However,
I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong
for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam.

Whether you accept it or not is irrelevant. If you want to offer it on Steam, offer it on Steam and show that you're not just trying to rip off PC cusomters with never-discounted DLC.

[johnhughthomas]

Rockworm503 wrote...

I thought about this but they'd still get your money for the game which still validates Origin.

Not  if you buy preowned.

[Doctalen]

johnhughthomas wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I thought about this but they'd still get your money for the game which still validates Origin.

Not  if you buy preowned.

This. Publishers and devolopers get no money from used game sales

[johnhughthomas]

Darthsam wrote...


I think the main reason ME3 is such underhyped now is because the DA2 flop, how the hell did Bioware screwup that bad is really beyond me, i can understand Jade Empire being crappy cuz they wanna try new stuff, but when DAO already established such a good foudation.........

A lot of people, me included, actually thought Jade Empire was a fine game. And we knew we were getting something different with that...

[johnhughthomas]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

johnhughthomas wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I thought about this but they'd still get your money for the game which still validates Origin.

Not  if you buy preowned.

Theirs no way around that. Cerberus Network anyone?

Doesn't that only affect DLC?

[didymos1120]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

johnhughthomas wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I thought about this but they'd still get your money for the game which still validates Origin.

Not  if you buy preowned.

Theirs no way around that. Cerberus Network anyone?

Don't buy the CN.  It's not required.

[Doctalen]

johnhughthomas wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

johnhughthomas wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I thought about this but they'd still get your money for the game which still validates Origin.

Not  if you buy preowned.

Theirs no way around that. Cerberus Network anyone?

 

Doesn't that only affect DLC?

Yeah, All it did was give you some extra goodies. Hardly convincing to make someone buy it new if they're not a die hard fan

Modifié par Doctalen, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:53 .

[Savber100]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

I don't know the situation with Westwood.

http://en.wikipedia....estwood_Studios 

Ever heard of Command and Conquerors? 

These guys pretty much popularized the RTS genre and was a pretty prestigious studio until EA bought them. Thre they made several good games before starting to crack under EA's strenous demans. Before long, they went bankrupted and EA liquadated them. Most of Westwood scattered after that... 

If you want to know why everyone is worried about Bioware, the story and fate of Westwood Studios is the reason. 

Modifié par Savber100, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:54 .

[Ravenknight]

charmingcharlie wrote...

strive wrote...
You'd think with so many protesting half the thread would be full of examples of 'evidence'.

I think it is more a case of no one taking Chris's offer seriously.  No matter what evidence is shown or what proof we provide it is always a "oh no that is blah de blah and all totally innocent honest guv'nor".  If we had irrefutable proof that Origin grew legs and set about murdering your pets I am sure the response would be "oh no that is a windows process doing that, honest it has nothing to do with EA whatsoever ....... oh btw did you check our new EULA that specifically states that Origin can grow legs and murder your pets".

This.

The bullet was an obvious attempt at obfuscation anyway. Seriously, how does one not recognize this as a deliberate PR/marketing requested insert.

Reality Check:

6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware.  Is this true?
Yes. Sorry, but come on, we both know you're going to buy the game anyway. Every release, its the same song and dance: "this is the absolutely, utterly, completely, one hundred percent LAST TIME EA/Bioware. I'm taking a stand and drawing the line! Right after you take my money for this game!" We've heard it all before, and we'll hear it all again. So in much the same manner, we're simply going to smile and nod at you. You'll feel better about and forget the whole thing once our DLC starts rolling out. At least until our next major release. Yes, we know, you hate us. But hey, at least we have chicken!

I don't think this would have stayed up long enough for even Google to cache it in time.

And much as it pains me to say it, I won't be purchasing a copy of OriginEffect. (though now I'll have to go back and suicide all my Shepards :sad: )

Modifié par Ravenknight, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:55 .

[manonyuf]

Oh, okay then. It is good that we received these news in time, and I also would like to thank you for that. But as a PC owner this also means that I will not finish Shepard's journey, even if that does make me kind of sad. I do not like being treated like a potential thief by any company whose product I am buying, and a line has to be drawn at some point. This is it for me.

[EimiYoshikawa]

I bought Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 for full retail price on Steam.

I also bought:

Pinnacle Station DLC (which I will note that I bought on and downloaded/installed through the EADM when it still existed, putting lie to the claim that people with Steam copies can't buy their DLC from outside sources and then play said DLC on their Steam copies)
Aegis Pack DLC
Arrival DLC
FirepowerPack DLC
Kasumi DLC
Overlord DLC
and,
Shadow Broker DLC

All told, I've probably spent at least a hundred and fifty dollars on the two games in the Mass Effect series thus far.

I probably would've spent at least another hundred on the third (because I have no doubt there'll be enough DLC to push it past that ceiling).

I will not buy the game if it is Origin-only. I will not install Origin on my PC. If this means that I must forgo playing Mass Effect 3, then so be it. I will make that sacrifice.

EA is costing itself money by forcing its customers to submit to Origin or walk away. And bioware is simply parroting nearly identical lies that EA laid out months ago. This entire situation saddens me.

That is all.