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[SJK93]

RaenImrahl wrote...

SJK93 wrote...

Northernian wrote...
 now If you want to load your character, you need to re-buy ME 1, and ME 2 on Origin.

Where did you get this from?

I should add that I don't think there would be any impediment to loading a Steam-generated save from ME1 or ME2 into an Origin-installed copy of ME3.  Steam saves game files in the PC's "My Document" folder, right?

Anyway, this may be a question Chris can address in the coming days.

They're saved in Documents->BioWare->Mass Effect 2->save.

[Forsythia]

I like this post the best, just shows how silly that statement is really.

ifander wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Funny, considering the hassle that is installing DLC for Mass Effect 2. On Steam, with Fallout New Vegas for example, all your DLC is installed automatically. There's no need to run (in my case) fifteen consecutive installers before you can load up your old saves. So I'd say the best service to your customers in this case would be provided by Valve.

[elitecom]

Why!? Really why!? What's the point with this tacked on software taking harddrive space and leeching on my computer!? Mass Effect 2 did it so well with the DVD check, why change it? Why do I need an extra piece of software that is in no way related to the game I'm playing, to actually play my game!!? Is it part of some kind of promotion for Origin from EA's side and they want their developers to include it in their games even though it's beyond pointless?

With that being said, I got two questions.

1: Will it be possible to uninstal Origin once you've activated Mass Effect 3?

2: Will it be possible to opt-out from these Origin scans of your computer akin to what you can do on Steam? So it doesn't scan your computer, without me being able to do anything about it.

Modifié par elitecom, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:20 .

[sissysouthpaw]

I find it kind of amazing that only the German EULA has been updated, by the way.

[didymos1120]

johnhughthomas wrote...

The actual policy change by Valve is on no way intended to stop Steam copies having DLC bought from outside sources. *snip*

That's not relevant to Pinnacle Station though. It's not a good example because it's an old DLC that isn't subject to the new policy.  That why both ME1 and 2  and DA:O can still be found on Steam, while DA2 can't: the former three were no longer releasing DLC when the new policy took effect.

[EimiYoshikawa]

elitecom wrote...

Why!? Really why!? What's the point with this tacked on software taking harddrive space and leeching on my computer!? Mass Effect 2 did it so well with the DVD check, why change it? Why do I need an extra piece of software that is in no way related to the game I'm playing, to actually play my game!!? Is it part of some kind of promotion for Origin from EA's side and they want their developers to include it in their games even though it's beyond pointless?

Yes.

[SJK93]

elitecom wrote...
2: Will it be possible to opt-out from these Origin scans of your computer akin to what you can do on Steam? So it doesn't scan your computer, without me being able to do anything about it.

If I remember correctly, there was an option to opt out. Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.

[rottenstick]

Thanks for the heads up. No way in hell am i installing that crapware called Origin.

Real shame though, I loved Mass Effect 1 and 2... Maybe in a few years we'll get a deluxe edition on steam... doubt it though... greedy EA...

[elitecom]

SJK93 wrote...

elitecom wrote...
2: Will it be possible to opt-out from these Origin scans of your computer akin to what you can do on Steam? So it doesn't scan your computer, without me being able to do anything about it.

If I remember correctly, there was an option to opt out. Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.

I read from the first page that you can opt out from inside the game, but that's just for Mass Effect 3's gameplay gathering just as in Mass Effect 2 I believe anyway.

Chris Priestly wrote...5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

Yeah it really looks like it only concerns Mass Effect 3's own data collection.

I was thinking more along the lines of Origin's scan of one's system, and if it's possible to opt out of those.

Modifié par elitecom, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:28 .

[didymos1120]

Forsythia wrote...

I lol at this statement. EA is the only publisher on the planet who thinks Steam is 'restrictive'. Even Microsoft is selling games and DLC on Steam now. Nice of you to copy the Origin PR BS, Chris.

No, all we can say is EA is the only major publisher refusing the new terms.  The others may also think it's restrictive, but are willing to put up with it. We have no way to know unless they tell us.

Modifié par didymos1120, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:33 .

[sissysouthpaw]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Liisi wrote...

I find it kind of amazing that only the German EULA has been updated, by the way.

Germany when it comes to law is pretty interesting. So many rules, regulation laws etc. It's little bit more complex than you could see I believe than American or Canadian. Can't Speak for the rest of the english speaking world.

I think they should extend the update to entire EU *for starters* (because yes, I happen to think that the privacy of people living in the US and Canada should be respected as well) because these privacy laws are not just a German thing, which makes the whole thing just absurd for non-Germans.

[Dragoonlordz]

I see a lot of huff and puff but I am 100% sure almost all bar very, very few are going to carry through with their threats of cancelled pre-orders and boycots of Bioware. Hence the term huff and puff used.

I have no objection to installing Origin to play EA/Bioware games in fact have it installed anyways.

I am glad though it won't require always on connection for single player since had bad experience with Ubisofts version of always on when playing HoMM6 and lost hours of play due to cut in connection while playing.

[Unkei]

johnhughthomas wrote...

The actual policy change by Valve is on no way intended to stop Steam copies having DLC bought from outside sources. Basically some free to play games used Steam to distribute the free main game, then sold DLC outside Steam without letting Steam sell it. So they were getting Steam bandwidth, but Steam weren't getting a cut of the actual sales. The policy was changed to prevent this, so any game sold on Steam must sell DLC on Steam as well, though customers with a Steam copy can freely buy elsewhere (my Paradox games on Steam have DLC from multiple sources). This led to the current stand off with EA. 

So why not change policy so only free to play games need to sell DLCs through Steam?

[Bogsnot1]

Words fail me. Pictures dont.

[Northernian]

Liisi wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Liisi wrote...

I find it kind of amazing that only the German EULA has been updated, by the way.

Germany when it comes to law is pretty interesting. So many rules, regulation laws etc. It's little bit more complex than you could see I believe than American or Canadian. Can't Speak for the rest of the english speaking world.

I think they should extend the update to entire EU *for starters* (because yes, I happen to think that the privacy of people living in the US and Canada should be respected as well) because these privacy laws are not just a German thing, which makes the whole thing just absurd for non-Germans.

There is no such a thing as privacy in our world. At least, not anymore.

[Rockworm503]

didymos1120 wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

I lol at this statement. EA is the only publisher on the planet who thinks Steam is 'restrictive'. Even Microsoft is selling games and DLC on Steam now. Nice of you to copy the Origin PR BS, Chris.

No, all we can say EA is the only major publisher refusing the new terms.  The others may also think it's restrictive, but are willing to put up with it. We have no way to know unless they tell us.

Some anti Steam people are arguing that some devs cant afford not to take Steams deal.  Where would they find a better partnership?  Wherever you go there will be something you have to give to the seller.
This is nothing new and why people pick on Steam for it is beyond me.  Valve is a business like any other and I can see Origin doing the very same thing in the not too distant future.

[Dragoonlordz]

Darthsam wrote...

Ironically the best CNC game is under EA's name, Generals ZH FTW!!!!

lol really? 

I thought Generals was the worst one. Tiberian Sun was my preference (not to be confused with skanky Tiberian Wars).

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:34 .

[Doctalen]

Northernian wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Liisi wrote...

I find it kind of amazing that only the German EULA has been updated, by the way.

Germany when it comes to law is pretty interesting. So many rules, regulation laws etc. It's little bit more complex than you could see I believe than American or Canadian. Can't Speak for the rest of the english speaking world.

I think they should extend the update to entire EU *for starters* (because yes, I happen to think that the privacy of people living in the US and Canada should be respected as well) because these privacy laws are not just a German thing, which makes the whole thing just absurd for non-Germans.

There is no such a thing as privacy in our world. At least, not anymore.

What was that about privacy in samaras loyalty mission? 

[Forsythia]

didymos1120 wrote...

No, all we can say EA is the only major publisher refusing the new terms.  The others may also think it's restrictive, but are willing to put up with it. We have no way to know unless they tell us.

I bet is has something to do with DLC. IIRC, DLC for games available on Steam, has to be sold on Steam as well. Valve is not asking for DLC to be sold only on Steam, though, look at Microsoft games, you can buy the DLC on Steam and on the Xbox website.

EA just doesn't want to sell DLC on Steam and I wouldn't call that restrictive.

I do not mind Origin (have the DDE pre-ordered already, as I knew that wouldn't be available on Steam), but the whole deal with the regular edition not appearing on Steam just makes me cringe.

And Chris, I do post this on the Steam forums as well.

Modifié par Forsythia, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:36 .

[sissysouthpaw]

Northernian wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Liisi wrote...

I find it kind of amazing that only the German EULA has been updated, by the way.

Germany when it comes to law is pretty interesting. So many rules, regulation laws etc. It's little bit more complex than you could see I believe than American or Canadian. Can't Speak for the rest of the english speaking world.

I think they should extend the update to entire EU *for starters* (because yes, I happen to think that the privacy of people living in the US and Canada should be respected as well) because these privacy laws are not just a German thing, which makes the whole thing just absurd for non-Germans.

There is no such a thing as privacy in our world. At least, not anymore.

Yeah, so let's all hand out our credit card numbers and home addresses! Because they're basically common knowledge at this point! Um, no.

[Planeforger]

Unkei wrote...

johnhughthomas wrote...

The actual policy change by Valve is on no way intended to stop Steam copies having DLC bought from outside sources. Basically some free to play games used Steam to distribute the free main game, then sold DLC outside Steam without letting Steam sell it. So they were getting Steam bandwidth, but Steam weren't getting a cut of the actual sales. The policy was changed to prevent this, so any game sold on Steam must sell DLC on Steam as well, though customers with a Steam copy can freely buy elsewhere (my Paradox games on Steam have DLC from multiple sources). This led to the current stand off with EA. 

So why not change policy so only free to play games need to sell DLCs through Steam?

That would be easy to exploit - anyone could sell the game game for $0.50, then sell another $50 of content DLC through their own website.

Why doesn't Bioware just sell their DLC on Steam? They said they they wanted to have a good relationship with Steam again, right? It seems like a simple enough step to take...although I guess that would deprive EA of their golden scapegoat ("Steam is restrictive, use our store!").