5521 réponses à ce sujet

[Elazul2k]

Pre-order has been cancelled until either Origin has been removed as a requirement to play ME3 or the EULA is updated to match the German version for the USA so I have legal recourse if I catch you guys data mining personal information.

EDIT: I would also like to add that if this is an attempt at DRM its all pointless anyways. DRM that is. All it does it hurt the legal owners of your games. I can say with assurity this game will be cracked within 48 hours of its release regardless of what you do. All those man hours spent and wasted IMHO.

Modifié par Elazul2k, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:55 .

[sissysouthpaw]

Dudes. Just because we can't be protected completely doesn't mean we should just kiss all our privacy goodbye.

[didymos1120]

Planeforger wrote...

That would be easy to exploit - anyone could sell the game game for $0.50, then sell another $50 of content DLC through their own website.

Only if Valve was too brain damaged to anticipate such a transparent attempt to game the system.

[NubXL]

Unfortunate news.  I would have your game pre-ordered already if it were on Steam, as would dozens of my friends.  I imagine some of said friends will still give in and buy your game on Origin, but I know the majority of them will not, myself included.  I look forward to buying your game if it ever becomes available on Steam, but I will not be spending a dime on Origin.

[LGTX]

DoomHK wrote...

I already have Origin installed and I personally have no issues with it. Thanks for the update.

[-N7-Seeker]

:ph34r:Image Spam Removed:ph34r:

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:01 .

[Darthsam]

Darthsam wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Darthsam wrote...

Wardka wrote...

Guess I won't be seeing the end of Shepard's adventures after all.

Thanks for the update, guys. I won't be installing Origin on my system, so you lost yourselves a sale.

Edit: Thinking about it, perhaps not just a sale. If this is the way it's going to be going forward - with the last part of a trilogy having a requirement to sell my personal privacy and computer security - I will be thinking long and hard about buying any EA/BioWare games at all, which makes me sad.

Duede its ok, seeing how much Origin is sucking now and how good Steam is doing now(last Holiday Special on Steam? that was bananas), and seeing how even great Microsoft's GFWL is failling against Steamworks, i say in 2 years Origin is goona kick the bucket and then all the games missing will be on Steam, eventually.

Thats a pretty expensive bucket by the way. EA invested heavily in it.

Im not expecting it happening any time soon, but i believe it will happen, Valve is found and run by gamers and developpers, EA is run by pure businessmen and capitalists, on this foundation Steam will ALWAYS better and friendlier than Origin, sadly for EA they cant change that, not without some miracale.
 What im doing now is everytime i HAVE to deal with Origin, i then double it on Steam, like ME3, i spent 80 bucks on it, so i bought 160$ worth of games on Steam during last Holiday Sale, suck it, suck it hard, Bioware.

[johnhughthomas]

Planeforger wrote...

Unkei wrote...

johnhughthomas wrote...

The actual policy change by Valve is on no way intended to stop Steam copies having DLC bought from outside sources. Basically some free to play games used Steam to distribute the free main game, then sold DLC outside Steam without letting Steam sell it. So they were getting Steam bandwidth, but Steam weren't getting a cut of the actual sales. The policy was changed to prevent this, so any game sold on Steam must sell DLC on Steam as well, though customers with a Steam copy can freely buy elsewhere (my Paradox games on Steam have DLC from multiple sources). This led to the current stand off with EA. 

So why not change policy so only free to play games need to sell DLCs through Steam?

That would be easy to exploit - anyone could sell the game game for $0.50, then sell another $50 of content DLC through their own website.

Why doesn't Bioware just sell their DLC on Steam? They said they they wanted to have a good relationship with Steam again, right? It seems like a simple enough step to take...although I guess that would deprive EA of their golden scapegoat ("Steam is restrictive, use our store!").

And maybe Valve actually do care about their customers and want to make it simple for them to purchase DLC for their games from the one place.

In an attempt to stop sounding like a Valve fanboy I will say this: Steam support sucks. 

[Planeforger]

In any case, I think I'll be avoiding this game for a while. As an Australian customer, Origin is one of the most expensive digital stores on the internet (even Steam sold EA games for less), and since most of their sales are US-exclusive...it won't get much cheaper than $80 over the next few years.

Hell, Dragon Age 2 and Alice: Madness Returns are still $80 on Origin for us.

didymos1120 wrote...

Planeforger wrote...

That would be easy to exploit - anyone could sell the game game for $0.50, then sell another $50 of content DLC through their own website.

Only if Valve was too brain damaged to anticipate such a transparent attempt to game the system.

Fair point - I was just saying that the solution isn't that simple.

[Lumikki]

Thank you for answers.

I don't like this at all. This means all PC games requires installing Origin client to our computer just because one time DRM check is required.

So, what I would have to do now is install the Origin client and ME3, then do the required DRM check and then uninstall the Origin client. What mess just because DRM check. I would call this forcefull Digital distribution software installation.

Not sure what I do now, maybe never buy ME3. How ever, I'm glad that at least data collection is now volutary in Origin client.

Also I'm very sad that EULA changes are done ONLY for German and not hole Europe or world. People should ask why it's so? What are EA's purpose to do with that information, what aren't allowed in German.

Modifié par Lumikki, 14 janvier 2012 - 09:06 .

[sissysouthpaw]

Lumikki wrote...

Thank you for answers.

I don't like this at all. This means all PC games requires installing Origin client to our computer just because one time DRM check is required.

So, what I would have to do now is install the Origin client and ME3, then do the required DRM check and then uninstall the Origin client. What mess just because DRM check. I would call this forcefull Digital distribution software installation.

Not sure what I do now, maybe never buy ME3. How ever, I'm glad that at least data collection is now volutary in Origin client.

Also I'm very sad that EULA changes are done ONLY for German and not hole Europe or world.

The data collection is only about ME3, not the system snoop Origin does. Otherwise I completely agree with you.

[Elazul2k]

Lumikki wrote...
I would call this forcefull Digital distribution software installation.

This is a VERY good point imho. Microsoft got slapped with an anti-trust because of similar tactics with IE. One could always hope and pray the same happens to EA. What goes around comes around.

[didymos1120]

Elazul2k wrote...

Lumikki wrote...
I would call this forcefull Digital distribution software installation.

This is a VERY good point imho. Microsoft got slapped with an anti-trust because of similar tactics with IE. One could always hope and pray the same happens to EA. What goes around comes around.

This would also hit Valve, you know, since they require Steam for their own games. 

[NubXL]

Oh and the copypasta of EA's corporate excuse on why they're warring with Valve does not make this pill any easier to swallow, BioWare. We know it's because EA demands to fragment DLC from their games on Steam's storefront for maximum profit. It's the exact opposite of providing a better experience, since our content is no longer located in a single place. It's a bad look on you.

[EimiYoshikawa]

NubXL wrote...

Oh and the copypasta of EA's corporate excuse on why they're warring with Valve does not make this pill any easier to swallow, BioWare. We know it's because EA demands to fragment DLC from their games on Steam's storefront for maximum profit. It's the exact opposite of providing a better experience, since our content is no longer located in a single place. It's a bad look on you.

Yes. We aren't stupid, and don't appreciate being treated as if we were.

[Rockworm503]

Lumikki wrote...

Thank you for answers.

I don't like this at all. This means all PC games requires installing Origin client to our computer just because one time DRM check is required.

So, what I would have to do now is install the Origin client and ME3, then do the required DRM check and then uninstall the Origin client. What mess just because DRM check. I would call this forcefull Digital distribution software installation.

Not sure what I do now, maybe never buy ME3. How ever, I'm glad that at least data collection is now volutary in Origin client.

Also I'm very sad that EULA changes are done ONLY for German and not hole Europe or world. People should ask why it's so? What are EA's purpose to do with that information, what aren't allowed in German.

Is it confirmed that you can uninstall Origins after the game is installed?  More to the point will the EULA still be attached after its gone?  Meaning are they still datamining my system despite Origin being gone and will I still get banned for scratching my nose without their permission? 

[didymos1120]

NubXL wrote...

Oh and the copypasta of EA's corporate excuse on why they're warring with Valve does not make this pill any easier to swallow, BioWare.

Well, what do you expect?  EA owns Bioware.  Of course they're saying the same things.  They're part of the company and that's the company line.

[mcneil_1]

Man it took four odd months to get Origin info and for most folks it was what we didnt want to hear

And Chris can you please sticky this.

Modifié par mcneil_1, 14 janvier 2012 - 09:13 .

[elitecom]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Thank you for answers.

I don't like this at all. This means all PC games requires installing Origin client to our computer just because one time DRM check is required.

So, what I would have to do now is install the Origin client and ME3, then do the required DRM check and then uninstall the Origin client. What mess just because DRM check. I would call this forcefull Digital distribution software installation.

Not sure what I do now, maybe never buy ME3. How ever, I'm glad that at least data collection is now volutary in Origin client.

Also I'm very sad that EULA changes are done ONLY for German and not hole Europe or world. People should ask why it's so? What are EA's purpose to do with that information, what aren't allowed in German.

Is it confirmed that you can uninstall Origins after the game is installed?  More to the point will the EULA still be attached after its gone?  Meaning are they still datamining my system despite Origin being gone and will I still get banned for scratching my nose without their permission? 

Still no answer on those questions.

[Doctalen]

I'm waiting for the day EA goes to shoot themselves in the foot again and the bullet ricochets and takes em between the eyes.

[Rockworm503]

Doctalen wrote...

I'm waiting for the day EA goes to shoot themselves in the foot again and the bullet ricochets and takes em between the eyes.

I dunno they might welcome that as shooting yourself in the foot seems to be profitable these days.