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[Swaggacide]

My heart goes out to PC owners. Origin blows. Happy im playing the trilogy and importing into Mass Effect 3 from my 360

[Ravenknight]

Chris Priestly wrote...

To those who are angry about this and will refuse to buy ME3 as a consequence, I am sorry you feel this way.
 

Whew, now I feel better. It was all worth it.

Hopefully the information I can provide between now and launch, or post launch, will make you change your minds. (and make an informed decision, right?) For those who are still seeking information to make an informed decision, I will continue to work to get answers for you. (the rest of us can bugger off eh)

Patronization at its finest.

I seek but one piece of information:

"Origin will be required for a one-time activation, after which you may remove the program from your computer and only be able to access single player content."

Like trying to grasp a wisp of smoke in the wind I'm sure.

[Lumikki]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Is it confirmed that you can uninstall Origins after the game is installed?  More to the point will the EULA still be attached after its gone?  Meaning are they still datamining my system despite Origin being gone and will I still get banned for scratching my nose without their permission? 

Maybe you point is does ME3 works after Origin client has been unistalled?

As for Data collection, they did say it's optional, so you can choose not to be part of it.

Modifié par Lumikki, 14 janvier 2012 - 09:19 .

[Doctalen]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Doctalen wrote...

I'm waiting for the day EA goes to shoot themselves in the foot again and the bullet ricochets and takes em between the eyes.

I dunno they might welcome that as shooting yourself in the foot seems to be profitable these days.

Learned from mistake?

Guess they're slow learners or dense. Seems to be mistake after mistake for them on this PC stuff

[Plaguemaster]

Bye-bye pre-order

[KGibbers]

Honestly, I don't have a problem with origin, I log on once to activate the game, and never use it again. I don't have to log in to play games unless I want to use multi-player.
Steam has continual disagreements with my computer however. Now this might just be resulting from software troubles on my pc, but Steam crashes maybe 2 out of 5 times when I try to launch it, and I have to be logged in to play any game. I've had multiple games become "unavailable" and had to dig out the problems to fix them. I've never bought a game through Origin, (and I don't intend to) but I'm okay with the program. It doesn't bother me or prevent me from playing games. I don't have to wonder whether or not it's going to work all the time.

[Rockworm503]

Lumikki wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Is it confirmed that you can uninstall Origins after the game is installed?  More to the point will the EULA still be attached after its gone?  Meaning are they still datamining my system despite Origin being gone and will I still get banned for scratching my nose without their permission? 

Of course you can unistall any software. Maybe you point is does ME3 works after Origin client has been unistalled?

That's good question. But it did says in answers, only one time use is required for Origin client for the game?

Ahh, this did get answered above post allready. So, yes, you canm remove the Origin client.

As for Data collection, they did say it's optional, so you can choose not to be part of it.

Hmm you're the first person to say that its optional but the data mining is the least of my issues with this.
I guess I'm still in wait and see mode.
I hope EA is taking notes here.  Treating their paying customers like pirates isn't the way to go if you want to keep said customers.
Sigh*  I miss the good ole days when blowing on the cartridge was all I had to worry about to make a game work.

[Yuoaman]

Lumikki wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Is it confirmed that you can uninstall Origins after the game is installed?  More to the point will the EULA still be attached after its gone?  Meaning are they still datamining my system despite Origin being gone and will I still get banned for scratching my nose without their permission? 

Maybe you point is does ME3 works after Origin client has been unistalled?

As for Data collection, they did say it's optional, so you can choose not to be part of it.

You can only opt out of Mass Effect 3 related data collection - the general data collection has no such opt-out option.

[Bluth54]

didymos1120 wrote...

Forsythia wrote...

I lol at this statement. EA is the only publisher on the planet who thinks Steam is 'restrictive'. Even Microsoft is selling games and DLC on Steam now. Nice of you to copy the Origin PR BS, Chris.

No, all we can say is EA is the only major publisher refusing the new terms.  The others may also think it's restrictive, but are willing to put up with it. We have no way to know unless they tell us.

Actually we do know. Valve now requires that all DLC for a game is sold through Steam. Developers are free to sell their DLC outside steam all they want and Valve doesn't make a cent, even if their game is using Valve's DRM Steamworks. Any DLC sold outside of Steam can work with the Steam version of a game.

Heck it's so convient that they don't even have to intergrate downloading the DLC though Steam. If you buy Batman Arkham City DLC on steam you just get a key to put in to Games for Windows Live and download the content though their marketplace. This actually makes selling the DLC less restrictive then Xbox Live or Playstation Network, since it has to go through those companies and they will always get their cut. No so with Steam. Is EA going to stop selling DLC on Xbox Live and Playstation Network since it's more restrictive then Steam? 

Valve also requires that patches are downloaded through Steam. Just like Xbox Live and Playstation Network. EA better stop patching games on those services, they're so restrictive! 


EA isn't fooling anyone. With their continued bone headed decision not to support Steam I will no longer support them. If I need to play Mass Effect 3 I'll just buy a used copy on the 360. EA will not be getting any of my money, and that's really too bad, I buy all my games new, easily spend $1000+ a year on games, and have over 600 games on my Steam account.  EA isn't going to be seeing a penny of my money on any of their releases until they start supporting steam again.

[Lumikki]

Yuoaman wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Is it confirmed that you can uninstall Origins after the game is installed?  More to the point will the EULA still be attached after its gone?  Meaning are they still datamining my system despite Origin being gone and will I still get banned for scratching my nose without their permission? 

Maybe you point is does ME3 works after Origin client has been unistalled?

As for Data collection, they did say it's optional, so you can choose not to be part of it.

You can only opt out of Mass Effect 3 related data collection - the general data collection has no such opt-out option.

Ahh, yes you are right. They can still collect hardware and OS data without asking permission.
That includes Windows registery data, where is also private stuff collected.
This is big no-no for me, so no Origin client installation at all for me. Equals no games.
I ques I can then say Good Bye Bioware thanks for all the good games in past. Too bad it all ended this way.

5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection? 
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

Modifié par Lumikki, 14 janvier 2012 - 09:27 .

[Icinix]

KGibbers wrote...

Honestly, I don't have a problem with origin, I log on once to activate the game, and never use it again. I don't have to log in to play games unless I want to use multi-player.
Steam has continual disagreements with my computer however. Now this might just be resulting from software troubles on my pc, but Steam crashes maybe 2 out of 5 times when I try to launch it, and I have to be logged in to play any game. I've had multiple games become "unavailable" and had to dig out the problems to fix them. I've never bought a game through Origin, (and I don't intend to) but I'm okay with the program. It doesn't bother me or prevent me from playing games. I don't have to wonder whether or not it's going to work all the time.

Same.

Personally I think its a much better platform than Steam.

My issue still lies in the fact that we need to have it at all.

[didymos1120]

Bluth54 wrote...

Actually we do know. *snip*

No, again, we don't know. Other publishers may not like the policy, but don't see it as worth the hassle to fight it. Others may think it's just peachy.  Unless they tell us, it's just guesswork what their actual opinions are.

Modifié par didymos1120, 14 janvier 2012 - 09:24 .

[Elazul2k]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Elazul2k wrote...

Lumikki wrote...
I would call this forcefull Digital distribution software installation.

This is a VERY good point imho. Microsoft got slapped with an anti-trust because of similar tactics with IE. One could always hope and pray the same happens to EA. What goes around comes around.

But, that still didn't prevent MS from putting Internet Explorer on Windows. The case US v. Microsoft basically said MS play nice or else.

The best I could see it is if legal action were taken. I know people think EULA will you can't sue. Trust me in law their are always loopholes. Besides whats really the point in suing unless you feel like you were obligated to something?

The point in suing would be to protect personal privacy rights of course. Gathering data and selling it to third party clients is NOT ok by any industry standard IMHO. As such I refuse to use any product that will use such underhanded unethical business practices. This is MY right as a consumer.

Don't get me wrong I would be willing to use Origin if they but changed a few lines of the EULA like they did in Germany. If that was done in the USA I would be willing to give them a chance. Otherwise they can go to hell.

Modifié par Elazul2k, 14 janvier 2012 - 09:24 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Well, I've monitored Origin for a few days now. That's all what it does now. Still, I dont care because I do private stuff on my cheapish laptopn, this pc is strictly for gaming. So yeah, I'm going to enjoy real ME3 without struggling with pad controls (no offense to console owners intended).

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[Doctalen]

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Elazul2k wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Elazul2k wrote...

Lumikki wrote...
I would call this forcefull Digital distribution software installation.

This is a VERY good point imho. Microsoft got slapped with an anti-trust because of similar tactics with IE. One could always hope and pray the same happens to EA. What goes around comes around.

But, that still didn't prevent MS from putting Internet Explorer on Windows. The case US v. Microsoft basically said MS play nice or else.

The best I could see it is if legal action were taken. I know people think EULA will you can't sue. Trust me in law their are always loopholes. Besides whats really the point in suing unless you feel like you were obligated to something?

The point in suing would be to protect personal privacy rights of course. Gathering data and selling it to third party clients is NOT ok by any industry standard IMHO. As such I refuse to use any product that will use such underhanded unethical business practices. This is MY right as a consumer.

Don't get me wrong I would be willing to use Origin if they but changed a few lines of the EULA like they did in Germany. If that was done in the USA I would be willing to give them a chance. Otherwise they can go to hell.

I just don't think its right in this age were everyone feels cheated they sue. Its pathetic. My personal belief would be they face some sort of legal action instead losing money they would inevitable gain back. Yeah I know the point in suing it has it uses.

Can't resist 

[EimiYoshikawa]

Elazul2k wrote...
The point in suing would be to protect personal privacy rights of course. Gathering data and selling it to third party clients is NOT ok by any industry standard IMHO. As such I refuse to use any product that will use such underhanded unethical business practices. This is MY right as a consumer.

Don't get me wrong I would be willing to use Origin if they but changed a few lines of the EULA like they did in Germany. If that was done in the USA I would be willing to give them a chance. Otherwise they can go to hell.

Likewise.

I would be very annoyed at having to use an additional digital delivery service, but I would be willing to give them a chance, and would purchase ME3 on an Origin that had Germany's EULA.

While I have nothing I need to hide, the very notion of being coerced into giving up my privacy (in a world where one's privacy is already under assault from so many corners) is unacceptable to me. One would think that a corporation would be more interested in getting my money than invading my privacy, unless they had some ulterior motive that would make the latter more profitable than the former for them. That alone is reason enough for me to never allow Origin, as it stands, on my PC.

[Fredvdp]

I haven't read the entire thread so sorry if this has been asked, but does anyone know if ME3 will require the disc to run? Usually when you download a game from Origin, even when using a product key from a physical copy, you need neither Origin nor the disc to run the game.

[Adugan]

Fredvdp wrote...

I haven't read the entire thread so sorry if this has been asked, but does anyone know if ME3 will require the disc to run? Usually when you download a game from Origin, even when using a product key from a physical copy, you need neither Origin nor the disc to run the game.

Probably just Origin after you register and install it, but imagine if it needed both. Lol.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

funny how people didnt notice screenshot about origin, hahah

[MonsterFish]

If memory serves we had this same argument about Steam when Half-Life 2 was released 8 years ago. This isn't a new thing at all.

[Doctalen]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

funny how people didnt notice screenshot about origin, hahah

You talking about the screenshots the user posted in response to chris asking for proof? I am curious why he didn't get back to him BUT it is or was friday night so I can understand waiting till tomorrow/today

Modifié par Doctalen, 14 janvier 2012 - 09:39 .